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America lost too in 2012


After watching Mitt all I can say is that America made a tragic mistake in not electing Mitt Romney. This decent and exceptional man would have been a good president.


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If America had been able to get past the media onslaught to what the real man was like, then yes, I think he would have won. Some of that responsibility falls on him for not making free market principles more of the core of what he said. He and his team were trying to sell the nation on the idea that free markets and free enterprise is the best way to raise everyone in the economy. Which is absolutely true, but it seemed at times like they were embarrassed by those facts.

It may sound nice and sweet to say "spread the wealth", but it has never worked anywhere in the history of the planet. And yet "we" are scared to point out Reagan and Eisenhower, and Coolidge. Why?? It has worked every time.

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I also felt deeply saddened after watching this, but I think our reaction towards Mitt is much more positive now that we know he's already lost. In many ways, I feel his loss was inevitable. He lost by more than 100 electoral votes; he didn't even win Michigan nor MA. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_major-party_United_States_preside ntial_candidates_who_lost_their_home_or_resident_state

It's disingenuous to claim that he's trying to sell himself as the person of free market principles when he was mainly known as the flip-flopper on social issues. Personally, I blame the Republican party for forcing him to veer so far right to win the nomination.

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That's the challenging thing for any Republican running for President now. Not only do they have to run against their Democrat opponent but against media that overwhelmingly votes for Democratic. But like other Republicans, he had the same trouble he putting out a simple, concise and memorable message in this sound-bite era.

I thought Mitt ran a good campaign overall, his team put together some really good web ads. Any other election before 2008 he would have won.

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"It may sound nice and sweet to say "spread the wealth", but it has never worked anywhere in the history of the planet. And yet "we" are scared to point out Reagan and Eisenhower, and Coolidge."

Under Reagan, taxes actually went up because he broadened the tax base (what could be taxed) and eliminated some tax breaks and loopholes. I'm willing to go back to that if you are.

Under Eisenhower, top earners paid a 92% marginal income tax rate. That's right, 92%. I'm willing to go back to that if you are.

Under Coolidge, only the top 2% of earners paid income tax. Again, I'm ready to go back to that if you are.

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Early in his first term Eisenhower tried to lower taxes but was unable to, so basically he tried to get government to hold the line.

I should have added Kennedy to that line. When he came in he was able to lower taxes through congress and that spurred growth in the economy.

The tax changes under Reagan were part of a deal worked out with a fully democratic congress, what they wanted was a lot more stringent. And there was a lot of rebuilding the military in there. I had family in the military under Carter and Reagan and it was sad. At one point under Carter we had entire air wings that never flew unless they absolutely had to because there was not money in the budget to fix the planes. And that's just one example.

My personal preference was Coolidge. When the income tax was instituted it was for 1%, by the time Teddy left office it was 7%. Under Wilson that exploded to over 70%. How much of your personal money does the government have a right to confiscate?? Coolidge's best line was "I want the people to work less for the government and more for themselves." He was able to slash the size of government and scope of government. That was working great until Hoover decided to "get smart" and use his skills in running projects to "run the economy progressively". We all know that led to the crash of 1929. Ironically is was FDR that said in 1932 that you can not tax and spend America back into prosperity to get elected. Then in 1933 started down the progressive road even further. When it was not working he doubled and then tripled down on stimulus spending sinking us deeper and deeper into the Great Depression. Read some Henry Morganthau Jr, FDR's Sec Tres. After eight years he fell off the progressive bandwagon saying it has not worked, stating that all they had done was saddle America with more debt. That quickly had him fall out of favor with FDR and the left.

Truman slowed that down a bit, and Eisenhower a bit more. Finally Kennedy backed it off enough to allow breathing room in the economy. But LBJ destroyed all that, Nixon, Ford, and Carter were just varying degrees of progressiveness. Which is kinda like being "a little bit pregnant" :)

Reagan really put on the brakes as much as possible. Bush 41 tried taxing and spending more which led to his loss to Clinton. Ironically it was Clinton after he had his but handed to him in 94, really worked with Gingrich in congress and was able to balance budgets. Bush 43 tried to be a "compassionate conservative" which was crap of course. After 9/11 he concentrated on terrorism and let the progressives run domestic policy for the most part. A good example was the "no child left behind act", which was pretty much written by Ted Kennedy, who was never the man his brother was.

Obama's book is still being written but so far it has been stagnation like during the teens, the 30's, and the late 60's and 70's. A perfect example is the worker participation rate is the lowest since Carter in number and percentage. And income difference. The rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer. Black people are being especially hurt right now. In his effort to help certain people he hurts all people, except the very very rich.

In closing, history shows us the government really can not create jobs, but it can shut them down through over burdening regulation and confiscatory taxation. You provide a safety net, not a safety hammock. and let the economy breathe on its own and the growth will be astounding. Thus lifting all boats, and helping everyone.

I hope that helps in seeing where I am coming from. Thanks for reading, and have a great day!!! :)

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Yes, America lost big time! There was much more voter fraud than we know about. Some people have been prosecuted, but the majority have not been caught...dead people voted, people in comas voted & Obama volunteers visited nursing homes to "help" people suffering from dementia vote. Then there were the ones who voted in multiple states!

I believe Romney may actually may have won without the voter fraud.

I expect this again in 2014 & most definitely in 2016 - these socialists & communists are determined to continue to destroy America & they don't have any compunction about cheating. I was always taught that if you win by cheating you didn't really win at all.

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Delusion is quite comforting, isn't it?

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This.

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Double this.

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lol, uhh no. Romney is a moron that lost because he is a moron. Too stiff, didnt relate to anyone, had dumb ideas like shipping jobs overseas, and was pretty much a complete failure in every area compared to Obama. Dumb Republicans are what lost in 2008 and hope they lose every year, forever, because when they lose, its good for America.

Romney helped shipped 8 million jobs overseas while "helping" corporations become profitable again...because they layed off thousands of workers and shipped jobs to China. Now our economy is terrible with those jobs not coming back anytime soon. Please, start your own country in Florida or Texas and run it with GW Bush and Romney style politics and see how that works out. Please do, it would quickly become the laughing stock of all countries in THE WORLD.

Thank god Obama won, there is a reason Romney lost, and why our economy is terrible, its Mitt Romney.

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Thanks! Now I'm LOL, johncg25.

When you learn to spell, use proper punctuation & understand accepted capitalization, I (and many others with working brains & reasonable public school educations) may give some credence to your opinions.

As it stands...NOPE - like Dangerfield, (right now) you get no respect! Actually zero respect, from me. Because you don't come across as being too bright, to say the least.

BTW, did you think to check with your King before you blamed Romney for our current poor economy? I doubt you did, because King Obama has made it clear, many, many, many times, that all our problems...and not just the poor economy are completely the fault of Bush - not of Romney.

Your King has made it clear for years that his mind has been completely under the control of Bush since 2008. That's why he's a complete and utter failure as a "president" - it's not his fault! His whole problem is George Bush, who apparently completely controls his mind and forces his decisions, that hurt middle class Americans.

Clearly. Bush needs to finally relinquish control of the King's mind - then King O. can make everything better, in the blink of an eye! Hope and change,dontcha know?

In the future, I think you should check with your King before you start blaming people your King has not authorized you to blame. If you don't, watch out for an IRS audit!



You're a riot. LMAO!!




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I agree I voted for him and the movie just solidified my opinion of him he's a good guy, a truly decent man, with that said, you can tell he is still a bit out of touch with the common man and the hardship of everyday people, does that make him wrong? NO! does that make him EVIL? OF COURSE not, he's just not someone who had to dig a ditch or flip burgers for 10 hours a day for his life. I respect him and still think he would have made a good president. And if you think I'm wrong just because the guy is rich go look at the income and wealth of majority of the past presidents, starting from Washington to Obama, they have all been wealthy and well off. So please don't tell me the zero's in a person's bank account will determine the quality of a president either way.

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I have to go along with the perspective that it was less Mitt's personality failings that did Romney in (or a media portrayal of those failings)...it was more his actual policies/political alignmment that doomed candidacy.

As other people have pointed out...the necessities of striving for the Republican nominations in 2008 and 2012 forced him into increasingly striden conservative positions. As oft mentioned in this documentary, by the candidate himself, he was already known as the flip-flopping mormon by 2012...having gone from being a very centrist governor to becoming a guy who more than toed-the-line of GOP dogma.

If he had not had to do that...and theoretically won, then we just would have had a presdident who was slightly right of center just as President Obama is left of center....far from the true liberal/progressive I would want him to be.

In fact, it is the issues that Mitt could/would not flip back too (that were his de facto positions as governor) more or less were the issues swing state voters were looking at: taxes/benefits, war, social issues that might be decided by Supreme Court nominees. On the other hand, issues like hand outs to corporations were subjects where there was barely any difference between him and the president.


On November 6, 2012...God blessed America

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It's very "telling" how this movie almost assiduously avoids showing any of his personal opinions on most of the critical issues. The most "conservative" thing he does is pray (a lot)...and even then it is for the most innocuous of things (God's will be done and help in decision/move making). OH...and he does make some pro-business comments...or his kids do, but even then it leans towards "small business" proponency ostensibly.

More and more I can see this as possibly a political ad for his next campaign. Just shows he is harmless and displaying mostly none of his crucial policy positions at all.

All-in-all not a bad move by him letting this get released a year after....two years before the next cycle begins.


On November 6, 2012...God blessed America

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are you having a laugh?

btw, obama is bs as well.

"laugh and the world laughs with you. Weep and you weep alone." - Dae-su Oh

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