Vietnam Gunner's Helmet


Two things about this that seem strange. 1. He completely strips the helmet and THEN calls the customer to see if he wanted to go ahead with the project in light of "rising costs"? Isn't that what the estimate is for? What if the guy had said no? What does Rick give him then - the unpainted helmet" and 2. Related to #1, isn't it much more meaningful to have the older helmet, as beat up as it was that was actually painted by the guys in Vietnam vs. the shiny new version painted by Rick's guys that didn't which no longer looked like it had been through a war? It's not the same helmet anymore. I don't get the logic.

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It's not the same helmet anymore. I don't get the logic.

For him it was more important to having it restored to its former glory than it was to have it be genuine looking.

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Exactly. I wonder what the grandfather thought...really thought.

I couldn't believe it when they stripped all of the paint off. There had to be a way to enhance it's looks without destroying it. For instance, leaving the paing but adding the oxygen mask and visors.

If someone gave these guys a copy of the Declaration of Independence to "restore" they would scape all of the writing off and then call in an "expert" to rewrite it based on a photocopy of the original. It's mind blowing.

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I really didn't get it either, and I wonder if the customer really knew what he was getting in to. Why make a "museum piece" out of an item with such personal family history? I can see restoring a car to show-room condition. But now that helmet doesn't look like it has seen combat, it looks like a replica! It almost looks like some kind of adult toy! And the amateur art on the helmet, drawn by guys who were in the thick of it, no longer looks genuine.

I also love it when a customer says something like "the money isn't important," and then when the costs start escalating, they change their tune!



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What really funny to me, is the added additional cost of $900 for an O2 mask and visor. I have collected WW2 Army Air Force flight gear for years now, and I can rebuild an original WW2 pilots headgear set-up with flight helmet, O2 mask, goggles, and T-5 throat mike for less that $900, and not to mention, this stuff is more rare than Vietnam era items. Another thing I was wondering, I know that the Huey door gunners wore issued flight helmets as well, but how many door gunners wore 02 masks? If you were a door gunner, you were more than likely flying at a pretty low altitude. I just think Rick said, lets just add a O2 mask and jack the price up, that will look cool! I also cannot believe he had that helmet stripped and redone by young civilians. All of the originality is gone, and I know its a personal item, but monetarily, the price has dropped to pretty much its parts. All of the provenance is gone. Not only that, but if you remember that the guy said that gunners just grabbed whatever helmet was available since they were not issued their own, then I highly doubt it would have looked brand new back then when it was used. I am sure these things got thrown and banged around, because at the time, I doubt they were thinking, I love having a pretty helmet. Most guys that I have talked to from WW2 said that they would purposely beat their new issued gear up, as not to look like newbies. I'm sorry, Ill get off my soapbox now. Just bothers me when history is not "restored" but ruined. And like I said, I concentrate on WW2 flight gear, so I honestly do not know a whole lot about Vietnam, so if I am wrong on any of this, please post a correct answer.

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Good points, I think if I had a family piece like that I'd keep it and find another beat up one to "restore" and put it on the mantle next to the original unmolested helmet. Would be a cool tandem.

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As to the O2 mask, I read somewhere that this was used by helicopter crews if they were spraying Agent Orange. But that was a specific type of mission and not necessarily something the customer's grandfather was involved with. If the grandfather never used an 02 mask, adding it seems pointless.

I can understand restoring most items to "as new" condition. But NOT everything! Sometimes "original" condition is best! Repairs may be acceptable, certain cleaning methods may be acceptable, certain light restoration may be acceptable, but not heavy restoration. Anyone who watches Antiques Roadshow knows this. A good example is "patina", scub off the patina and you may have destroyed the value of the item, or at least lessened it. Cleaning coins is almost always a no-no, same with firearms.

Part of the appeal of that helmet was its condition. As I said above it now looks like a replica, an adult toy.




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As I said in another post, I am a baseball card collector. Restoration in our culture is extremely frowned upon. However, the expert restorers can make the cards look like they haven't been doctored. This increases their value by extreme amounts.

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There is no O2 system in any chopper, if they were to use oxygen it would be in a portable bottle.

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I totally agree with you brandon

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