Whenever BBC-America showed the original Skins, with all the sex and nudity intact there was no controversy, but then that wasn't being promoted on every channel and only drew a small audience. So, do you think the PTC is really concerned about Skins, or are they just attention despos?
shareI think most of the groups like the Parent's Television Council just want attention. There is a reason they only jump on popular, well publicized shows. However, not to say they just want attention in the way of name dropping. The more attention they get the more of a chance they'll (God forbid) have the ability to get something on their agenda done.
shareSo you think child pornography is okay then? And people who don't want to put it on air like the PTC are just attention hungry?
"In the plus column though...she makes a hell of a cup of coffee..." - Max Shrek
And you think rape and gun volience is okay but not Child porn as you put it? Tell me what child porn is on Skins?
shareteenage kids under the age of 18 getting naked...
"In the plus column though...she makes a hell of a cup of coffee..." - Max Shrek
Well then so far, they must be editing out the nudity because I haven't seen any in the two episodes played. Not that I want to see it, I'm just saying that thus far the claim of cp is unfounded.
Is it in a sexual manner no. So therefore its not child porn go watch the Legend of Greystone Tarzan nude boy in the first half of the film not child porn. Equus Daniel Radcliffe naked not child porn.
shareThat I could see being slightly closer to child porn than this show.
Here is a link to a list of controversies made over album covers with the same hype and demand for revision.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_controversial_album_art
Oh come Crazy Harvey! There was in no one that the boy was sexually active or that Dan was doing anything illegal and he even said americans are so up tight about child nudity. Its sad adults dont want to talk about sex to there kids and be frank about and honest. Instead they have groups like the PTC!
I'm confused about your post, Mattfinbell. I don't know who Dan is or what you are saying. I don't know how else to word what I meant to say so I'm just going to drop that part of the discussion.
I like this show. I don't see child pornography thus far being displayed in it. I want the show to continue.
For those that hate it, turn the channel. For parents that find it so disturbing that they don't want their kids watching it, block the channel.
I posted the other link to illustrate past hoopla over things that weren't as offensive as the people demanding revisions to them were trying to convey. That was my point in posting it.
Someone else brought up a good point about controversy over Married W/Children that wound up being a huge success. I also remember NYPD blue being blasted and a call for sponsors to pull out and all that and the show also went on to be a huge success.
So you're telling me that if a pedophile is to watch this show, he as well will not look at these kids in the show, when having sex/naked/half naked, he is going to say to himself "hmm, this isn't sexually appealing to me...this is no way resembles kids underage in a sexual fashion..."
is that what you're saying?
"In the plus column though...she makes a hell of a cup of coffee..." - Max Shrek
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All of these 'children' are a lot older than the ages that actual paedos actually go for.
Paedos like children who haven't gone through puberty yet, these characters have gone through puberty.
A paedo wouldn't find these teens sexually attractive though seeing as paedos like pre-pubescent children
shareDaniel Racliffe the man now that is the star of Harry Potter.
shareHow did you figure that rape and gun violence is okay with me? Please explain where that has been the issue in the blog...
"In the plus column though...she makes a hell of a cup of coffee..." - Max Shrek
I think you're reaching there. A pedophile can look ANY show and go with his/her imagination. In fact, pedophiles hang out where the children are: carnivals, amusement parks, etc. Every time you take your child out to something like that, you run the same risk.
Have you even WATCHED the show? If not, then you are just jumping on a bandwagon like many others. WATCH it and then point out where the child pornography is because I didn't see any.
I'm curious, do you find the nude child in The Blue Lagoon offensive and child pornography as well? A pedophile could certainly have a field day with that movie. Brook Shields was 15 when that movie was filmed and there are a few nude scenes and a sex scene (which included nudity during the scene). Christopher Atkins was 19. So you could say not only would that have been "child pornography" by today's standards but you could add statutory rape to it. Her cast mate in Endless Love was even older and there was a sex scene including nudity in that movie too. However, both movies were somewhat successful and I don't recall any fuss about those scenes.
Crazyharvey (which i assume you got that name from the Batman Animated Series) You make a good point about the Blue Lagoon, and no I haven't seen this show, i'm only looking to banter and raise a fuss...but in actuality, you made a good point...
"In the plus column though...she makes a hell of a cup of coffee..." - Max Shrek
I was saying generally speaking becuase the parents Television Council accepts that but not teen nudity.
As there shouldn't be teen nudity, at least not until 18...this is a good fight for the Television Council...
Studies have shown that violence on TV has not influenced kids to commit violence who weren't already going to do it anyways.
Sex on TV, has proven to be very influential in kids and adults alike. Hence the reason for the Television Council to step in.
"In the plus column though...she makes a hell of a cup of coffee..." - Max Shrek
How does that even make sense too you? The Majority of teens are not going to go out and have sex orgies! Come on! This is why the Television Council needs to talk to there kids about sex when ever there is sex ed there is no talking about sex only here it is and thats that. The PTC didnt step in when they were doing the UK version. It shows how hypocritcal they are.
shareMaybe not sex orgies, however are you suggesting that there would be no influence of that whatsoever? but there will be a rise in teen sex, unprotected, and guarantee in teen pregnancy...
I had sex in my teens, but i was safe about it, but my influences are scantily clad women...
The UK version, I cannot account for since I don't live there, and whatever their issues and laws are do not pertain to the US's...
"In the plus column though...she makes a hell of a cup of coffee..." - Max Shrek
This show was never going to be able to get away with all the stuff the U.K version could anyways. I knew this before it even aired, in America a select few control what goes on. Unless you're on showtime or HBO you won't be getting away with crazy sex scenes and f bombs every 5 seconds. This show isn't child porn though and the statutorial rape thing is completely retarded.
http://www.tengaged.com/user/Parawhore
We are influenced all the time. Your saying the media is like our best friend and everything they do we will do as well? Thats stupid.
No one forced sex on you so how again did Skins UK influence you?
No the laws dont and do you see how progressive Uk is about being gay and such? Versus America who still think being gay is perverted.
Parawhore4, the statutorial rape comment I made pertains to the movies, The Blue Lagoon & Endless Love from 1980, 1981. Back then, those scenes were no big deal (that I am aware of) but if those same movies were made today with those same scenes using actors of the same age as the original actors, the PTC would be all over them.
It's the direction our country has headed in terms of fear vs. common sense. Those movies were not made with criminal intent but they would be treated as such IF they were re-made scene per scene today.
Did you know a couple was arrested for cp for taking pics of their little kids in a bubble bath? When I was young (70's), this was a traditional picture as was the naked baby on his/her tummy with the butt exposed. No criminal intent was meant by the parents but the Walmart employee developing the pictures was offended so they were arrested. How ridiculous is that?
Ticklemytoes, thank you for understanding. Those two movies are kind of crappy where storyline is concerned so I'm not sure you'd even want to view them. LOL! I'll PM you about the moniker. It's not from Batman. :)
No Americans don't think 'gay' is perverted, they think it's gross and rightfully so...it is absolutely gross...now hot bisexual women looking to have sex w/ a man and another woman, that is just hot...real hot...but two men, that's just gross.
"In the plus column though...she makes a hell of a cup of coffee..." - Max Shrek
No it isnt always hot. See there the double standard again. You would be very surprised of who is gay in Hollywood and some gay man have married and are still married on paper but there husbands are in the glass closet.
shareYou are *beep* retarded.
shareIs that the best you can do? You can't come up with a better argument than "you are retarded?"
shareTo the crazy bastard who was supporting the PTC with his ridiculous ramblings? That's about all he deserves. You on the other hand I wasn't even talking to.. There's a clear lack of understanding these days when it comes to nested threads. For whatever reason people below the comment being replied to think it's directed towards them..
shareIt isn't child pornography though
shareJust to let you know, BBC America censored Skins. They cut out lots of nudity, shortened sex scenes, and silenced all the f-bombs.
share...so...
"In the plus column though...she makes a hell of a cup of coffee..." - Max Shrek
They cut out "lots of nudity" which means left some in, shortened sex scenes, which means they left the sex scenes in, and they silenced all the f bombs (b/c that's a huge problem in the world today)...
What is your point here?
"In the plus column though...she makes a hell of a cup of coffee..." - Max Shrek
Well no wonder the ratings are going to plummet.
shareI think its a little bit of both.
The show went down 53%, 3.3 million to 1.5, thats a huge drop. It would make perfect since for MTV, or just viacom, to get publicity for the show for its more interesting aspects. Mainly the sex and drugs, which is oddly enough all that gets publicized.
Misspelling words on purpose does not make you cool.
Yeah,excatly!!!!
shareWhy would PTC want attention? What for? They don't get on tv or become famous! They want whats right for kids. But living in this day and age. Kids are already exposed to that kind of stuff. The typical stereotyping, every teen goes through this phase or every teen do drugs. Well they don't. And parents aren't around the house every single moment. Kids could accidentally put the channel on and watch naked kids rubbing each other.
Not cool.
FF - Lightning: Mind your own business. I don't need concern from my enemy.
Then it's the parents fault for not blocking said channels
shareYes. The PTC is run by Dominionists. They literally want to turn the USA into a theocracy. I don't know why the media acts like they're anything but a gang of treasonous nutjobs.
shareIt seems to me that their fear is more about the homosexuality than the rest of of the show. I say this because there are several shows that depicted similar things and I don't recall any hype over them. Now that I hear that they also have issues with Glee, I'm more convinced now that it is the homosexuality that they are objecting to without coming out and saying so.
If there were not options available to block channels, then I MIGHT understand where they are coming from (where the drug use and sex is concerned - NOT the homosexuality) but those devices were put in place specifically so that parents can monitor what their kids watch making the need for situations such this (the hype) obsolete.
yep, you're right, it is the homosexuality thing...i don't want my kids being brainwashed and turning gay, and the family name doesn't live on...homosexuality is absolutely gross...let's face it...Glee turning young boys into little ferries...i mean come on...what happened to Gi Joe, and being a man...women really have taken over the world and now have turned men into women practically...
You don't see shows like Gi Joe cartoons anymore b/c being a tough man, is now looked down upon...we're lucky we still have nfl football, and action movies...but that's all we got...
"In the plus column though...she makes a hell of a cup of coffee..." - Max Shrek
yep, you're right, it is the homosexuality thing...i don't want my kids being brainwashed and turning gay, and the family name doesn't live onUmmm...
Glee turning young boys into little ferriesSo the Glee boys are put to work transporting passengers from their small island to the mainland? I think I missed that bit, that's quite impressive...
You don't see shows like Gi Joe cartoons anymore b/c being a tough man, is now looked down upon...we're lucky we still have nfl football, and action movies...but that's all we got...Ticklemytoes, I hope to God you're a troll.
ticklemytoes is the best troll ever.
Either that, or a sexist, hick, homophobic, right wing moron.
It's hard to tell which.
Ticklemytoes,
I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or if you mean what you say. I certainly am not going to challenge your opinion. You have the same rights to one as I do. I would never tell another parent what they should/shouldn't let their kids watch. Nor would I appreciate anyone telling me the same.
The only point I keep trying to make is that we have the option to choose what we watch and block what we don't want our kids to watch. If I am not mistaken, that is what those devices were put in place for. I don't like that some people want to overstep that based on their own moral agenda. If those devices were not in place, it would be an entirely different argument.
My vehement defense of the show is more about keeping my right to choose for myself than it is about the show itself although I really do like it.
lol, it's America. What do you expect?
shareI'm a bit late to this, but it reminds me of the group of women who wanted to clothe a travelling Rodin sculpture exhibit. It's amazing how our bodies are pornographic and how reality should never be real. It's like the days when they said "S-E-X" instead of sex or "she's in the family way" instead of "she's pregnant. Does it make it any less real or natural?
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