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Terrible movie with a terrible message


Maybe it's just me, but I have to say it anyways. 'Never Back Down' was a fun movie to watch back when it came out. It had (mostly) likeable actors and Djimon Hounsou to carry it a little way further than your average, run of the mill fighting movie. While it wasn't nearly as bad as some similar movies out there, it didn't set the bar very high either, so a decent sequel was not an unthinkable option.

Enter 'Never Back Down 2: The Beatdown'.

As cheesy as the first movie was, it had an decent message behind it. Jake initially wanted to fight to get even with Ryan, the bad boy who was a dick mainly because that's what the spectators craved - his showmanship and brutality as a fighter. Somewhere along the line, Jake realizes he doesn't want to continue with the Beatdown because he doesn't believe in fighting for hundreds of screaming hormonal teens. He wants a more noble reason, which he gets when Max is almost beaten to death. Then it's no longer about him, it's about the safety of his friends. So he goes in and defeats Ryan to stop him, not humiliate him for the spectators' pleasure. Throughout the fight, his girlfriend's reaction turns from excitement to terror as she realizes that anybody who watches someone get his ribs punched in repeatedly with glee does not deserve a fighter's sacrifice. When the fight's over, Jake and Ryan are not enemies anymore because Ryan is no longer adored the way he was when he was the hot shot and is now faced with a different side of the coin - one where people don't suck up to him as much. And he appreciates it.

'Never Back Down 2' is completely devoid of any positive messages. In fact, if it indeed has one it will have the opposite effect. I won't spoil anything important, if you can even call it that. The story revolves around yet another troubled teacher of sorts this time played by Michael Jai White instead of Hounsou. And while Hounsou's revelation in the first one is touching and meaningful, White's is no where near that depth and could be easily summed up with a familiar N.W.A. song about law enforcement. Then there is the character of Justin, who is an outcast turned menace and serves as the story's main villain. He is clearly written from the perspective of someone who never knew what it means to be an outcast in school and simply considered them freaks who would one day lose their mind and try to seriously injure or kill their tormentors. Even though this is sometimes tragically the case, Justin is never given a reason to do so. He survives a mugging, sure, but that's it. There are lines thrown in like;

"Did you take your meds?"

"He's a psycho"

etc. to illustrate that he's gone haywire, but we're never shown why. Other than that attack I mentioned earlier which forces him to learn self defense, there's not much else that's happened to him. Oh, yeah, a girl blows him off. Wow. That's sure to put anybody in a psychopathic mood, right? And if you survived a mugging, you wouldn't just be relieved everything's alright. Instead you'd inexplicably find where the attackers live and approach them in hand to hand combat when you know the last time you met they were armed. That's what this movie wants you to believe. And last but not least, there's no positive outcome at the end. That's not to say that it's tragic in any way, but no character is wiser than they were when they started out. It's all a popularity contest and it's no surprise because there's nothing else to take away from it.

Anyways, this has been by far the longest post I made on IMDB and it's purely to save anybody's time out there from watching this abysmal movie. Please understand that I'm not doing this because I think the first one was some work of art. It wasn't. But it was a well shot entertaining ride. This is everything but that. It falls in my top five worst sequels of all time as a close second to 'Highlander: The Source'. You have been warned.

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I completely agree. Did they even watch the first movie before writing this (terrible) sequel?
The acting is just awful. But the most annoying thing about 'Never Back Down 2' is how intolerably irritating and incoherent the characters are.
White's character, Case, is years apart from his "precedessor". I was left speechless of his attitude towards his students. Whereas Roqua in 'NBD' was an authentic sensei, with a true sense of morality (no grauitous fighting, especially outside the dojo), Case even encourages physical violence among his pupils when he sees them insulting and disrespecting each other.
I think the only positive character, showing some humanity and sense of dignity, is Tim (played by Todd Duffee). The rest of the fighters, one simply can't sympathize with any of them.

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" Did they even watch the first movie before writing this (terrible) sequel? "

I don't know if the writer of NBD2 watched NBD1... but I do know that he wrote the script for it.

To put it another way, both movies were written by the same person.


All the plot you need is that The Warriors have to "bop their way back to Coney." —alanmc1uk

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Case is a character who is angry at the world for what it did to him. He lost his parents got thrown in jail and cost him his career. He was training at an abandoned lot and was helping guys with issues. As for saying the characters learnt nothing what about mike he was always angry and it cost him (sparring with case and Justin) but in the final fight he let go of his anger and it allowed him to win which was showed when Justin said about his dad he just ignored him and quoted case an angry mind is a narrow mind

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perfectdeath you're completely right, especially about that scene where MJW basically encourages Justin to kick another student's ass for insulting his mother. then when Justin comes back after obliterating those muggers, MJW seems less concerned by the fact that he's covered in blood and more about the fact that the cops might be around. what a role model, huh?

christian rosenhoj, I understand Justin was supposed to go haywire but becoming skilled in martial arts doesn't do that. I'm a blue belt in BJJ and I was always an outsider in school yet you don't see me coming up to people who've bothered me threatening to choke them out. It's about Justin himself, his character, and what motivates him to be such a psycho; there's no arch between the lonely but meek guy we see working at the comic book store and the monster he becomes later on. You can't put it all on the fact that he's become capable of beating people up, it must be something internal that caused him to suddenly become the polar opposite of what he is at the beginning and we never SEE it. He gets blown off by a girl, gets mugged, and shaves his head. Suddenly, he's a villain. I don't buy it.

And as far as the fight scenes are concerned, they're no more realistic than the first one. People still do crazy flips and jumps and miraculously exit chokes and joint locks. But I do admit, the technique has gotten better. That's the best I can say about this movie.

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Yeah, Undisputed was mostly comical and always over the top. But I disagree about the first one being any less realistic than the second. Sorry, but the transitions in this one were RIDICULOUS. When I saw how one of the guys transitioned from a north-south position on the BOTTOM to the top guy's BACK that completely outdid even all the outrageous stuff in the first one. I don't know if you have any experience in BJJ, but if you do you know that *beep* is impossible unless the guy is completely unaware of what to do and these were supposed to be serious mixed martial artists.

I DID enjoy the submissions as you said, however, which was a nice surprise. A lot of rubber guard stuff which also kinda shocked me until they showed Eddie Bravo, then it was clear why. Anyways, ironically enough I think that the upcoming flick 'The Warrior' might be the MMA movie that proves me wrong about Hollywood actually doing some justice to the sport, and that movie is supposed to be primarily a family drama as opposed to these so called fighting movies. We'll have to wait and see.

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i like mjw,a lot ,as a martial artist , as an action actor,,i liked him alot in black dynamite (see it ,if you didnt yet),,but this movie sucks big time,,,ACTING...terrible ,DIRECTING...terrible,,,plot..terrible,,i mean the sex scene in the strip club? wtf mjw was thinking about when he directed the movie,,this scene was totally out,,to many cliches (chicks,teenagers,paries with lesbians e.t.c)
i dont know,,i just hated this movie,,nothing to do with mma at all!!

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What's the actual one terrible message, OP?

The only thing wrong with this movie is that it has no real villain. The way it's written, MJW is the main star of this movie, not the kids. Therefore the villain should be his adversary. The closest to being one is a cop that keeps bothering him. Other than that there's one kid too many - too many characters. And a convenient plot point that one of them goes "crazy" takes away a lot of drama by saving time and introducing a safe villain that you know will be beaten. But had he not gone crazy they would all be fighting each other and that would be more fun to watch.

This movie sure ain't no Blood and Bone, but it isn't bad either. It reminded me of Driven with Stallone, only NBD2 has some pretty fights. I don't like MMA but I like a good fight scene and the big MJW streetfight delivers the goods.

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The terrible message? Here we go.

Although the original NBD was a bit silly in terms of fight presentation, it had a decent message behind it. Jake Tyler went from seeking revenge against Ryan McCarthy for ridiculing him in front of everyone, to realizing that crowd pleasing is not gonna gain him any real friends like Max Cooperman. So he quit his pursuit, and only after Max got jumped did he realize that he had to fight in the Beatdown. It wasn't because he wanted to win, or become 'the most uber badazz MMA fighter in the world', but because he felt he needed to stop Ryan before he hurt somebody else the way he did Max. Baja Miller, his popular girlfriend, also changed throughout the movie from a girl who thrived on social attention to someone looking for a somewhat deeper connection. When Jake was getting beat in the final fight, she realized how horrible the whole situation was, and never once rooted for more violence like the people around them. She wanted it to stop, and even when Jake won, she didn't scream with joy like the one in NBD 2 did. Instead, she went over to comfort her boyfriend, and they both looked like they didn't want to be there (or receive false praise from the socialites around them). Jake was done with fighting, and Jean Roqua was able to teach his students not to fight out of wanting to, but out of necessity. He left for Brazil to seek out his family who abandoned him.

In NBD 2, all those messages about violence being only useful when required to act is thrown out the window. All of MJW's proteges are in it to win it. No other reason - simply a popularity contest (who gets to be high fived, flirted on, etc.). What you said about creating a safe villain is absolutely right. Only the way they did it with the emo kid was completely unbelievable. It seemed like some popular jock or cheerleader wrote the script, because besides all the fame-craving motives for each of the characters, the outcast had to be the villain. To be honest, the two movies felt like complete, 180 degrees opposites of each other. One tried to show that after seeking every other alternative to a conflict, a physical act might be necessary to fix the problem as 'doing nothing has consequences, too'. The other simply glorified violence as the solution to everything (fight the authority, fight to get the girlfriend, fight to get rid of bullies, etc.).

That's just my opinion on it, though.

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Are you using movies as a moral compass or to teach you life lessons? Honestly, who gives a flying *beep* if there's no message.

Although, I do agree that the emo kids transition from nerd to villain was rushed, but it may or may not have been implied that he was actually psycho and on medication.

In the scene where the wrestler guy asks him "are you off your meds?" i think it was a match cut of when someone joked about wrestler guys dad. The allegations of wrestler guys dad were meant to be playful and sarcastic but they ended up being true and quite possibly the same for emo kid.

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Somebody asked a question and I answered it. And no, I don't use the movies as a moral compass but a lot of the younger generation does, especially given that they think they know 'teh UFCs' and whatnot. It's not going to drive anybody to do something despicable, but as someone who was sort of an outcast at school, this movie is grossly stereotyping weird kids turning into *beep* and people to be looked down upon. On the other hand, it doesn't take much effort to write a decent/believable storyline for the emo kid so why not do it?

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I won't spoil anything important, if you can even call it that.
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Then there is the character of Justin, who is an outcast turned menace and serves as the story's main villain.


First you say you won't spoil anything important, then a few sentences later you go and spoil one of the main plot points.
Idiot.


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If that's a 'revelation' to you, than the idiot here is the guy you see in the mirror.

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by driverforhire (Tue Jul 3 2012 00:20:37)
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If that's a 'revelation' to you, than the idiot here is the guy you see in the mirror.


Don't try to turn this around s**thead.

At the beginning of the movie, no one knew that Justin was going to betray the crew and become the "villain" of the movie.
He was one of the four guys who was going through his personal issues just like everyone else was.

It was later in the movie that his character development changed him to be what he is.

For him to become the villain later in the movie was abit of a plot twists.

You said you won't spoil anything important, then you go ahead and mention one of the turning points in the movie.
That IS called "spoiling" you dumb *beep*


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Dude, it wasnt a twist, we're shown from early on that justin is the bad guy or at least, the *beep* of this movie.

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Quit whining. If you read a post titled terrible movie with terrible message, you don't have a right to complain about spoilers. In summary, go change your tampon.

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