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What I don't understand about Silver..


Is that, although he was proven to be a fraud in the end, how did he manage to create those 'psychic' images on the Polaroid? And how did he bend all those spoons?

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The images on the camera is tough to answer, and I consider it a minor and forgivable plot hole. The spoon bending is a 100 year old (at least) trick. It requires strong fingers, and you have to twist the spoon a bit to make it appear as though it's bending when really it's mostly just twisting in your fingers. I saw some video of a guy from the seventies who was really good at it. He twisted the spoon, and while it was twisting he could more easily bend it a bit. He was proven to be a fraud with incredible finger strength and dexterity.

I thought the movie addressed interesting subject matter because of how convincing some of these guys are. They take the performance too far when they start actually saying that they're telekinetic rather than using a magician's reserve and simply avoiding the question. So the movie ultimately betrayed its own subject matter.

Edit: Cilian Murphy's character may have influenced the photography. I don't know. That's the thing that bugs me about an ending that chooses to explain away everything with 'magical powers'. It's unsatisfying.

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lol how is it forgivable or minor and that was just the tip of a very large ice berg of massive plot holes and mistakes!
it is not ok when films cost xx and the take xx time to make and xx people are involved for these types of glaring admissions to be kept in.

come on they watch the dailies um daily and they have a screenplay and often a book and a director and sometimes story boards and then a frken editor and sometimes a consistency mise en scene co-ordinator and often a continuity director and even then they have test screenings and all types of things to stop these obvious mistakes which we watch one, often not closely, often on s small screen, often drunk lol and we see it 100% of the time and actually go on imdb boards and point it out so no it is not ok and if it is then that is some messed up sh*t!

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don't complain to me, man, I gave the movie something like a 4/10. It got a 4 rating because I've honestly seen much worse. I don't rate movies with large budgets differently from movies with tiny budgets, and I'm not the kind of guy who says "Worst movie ever!" after finishing a weak film. I will say that I am not recommending this one to anybody I know.

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SPOILER ALERT This movie was killed by the fact that they didn't started the studies by testing if Silver was really blind....stupid plothole and a rushed ending. I gave it a 6/10 cause the first 45 mins were actually good.

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How is that a plot hole? It's just further proof that the Paul Shackleton character was a nincompoop, which was made painfully obvious in many scenes. It's so-called "scientists" like the Paul Shackleton character that help perpetuate nonsense, and that was the entire point the film was making with that particular plot component.
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True that. And also the fact that they initially removed watch, ring, and jacket, then by the time Silver was in the booth there he was with watch and ring.

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They removed the items to see if it was a prop. They showed them giving it back to him.

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You didn't notice that when Silver agreed to do the tests he had complete control over what was investigated and what wasn't. I knew he could see from the first time you see him in the movie and they gave other hints to that at small points within the movie. He knew Buckley was in the room before beginning the experiments because he could see him and was looking directly at him.

the night that buckley goes to investigate Silver the first time, he cause the lights to break not realizing it at first and once it started he couldn't make it stop because it was what his mind was reacting to at the time.

Also for anyone asking why would he pretend to be blind when it was only him in the room, watch the Prestige. It explains that theory.

Also I have seen on other sights, why have Silver get someone to beat up or kill Buckley because he knew Buckley would eventually expose him as a fraud. It had nothing to do with knowing Buckley had psychic powers because he didn't. That is why he was dumbfounded at the end of the movie about how Buckley did all the light breaking stuff.

Overall I thought the movie was interesting and well worth the watch. Rotten Tomatoes reviewers were just pissed off that they actually got fooled by the initial title of the movie. Everyone was focusing the skepticism and paranormal activity when it actually had nothing to do with it. There were Red Lights throughout the entire film telling you as such.

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In this climate, it would be so politically incorrect to test a blind man to see if he wasn't blind that virtually no one would think to do that. After all, the pursuit of science is a minor consideration compared to temporarily hurting someone's feelings. LOL

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I was thinking Cillian's character caused the images too. I paused each frame in HOPING to recognize something that would have been 'from' his character in seeing in the movie.

I REALLY enjoyed the film...but I was focusing on De Niro's character and I thought at the end...he was going to end up being like his character from 'Angel Heart' - Louis Cyphre! (which I totally loved in that movie)

Glad he wasn't and turned out to be a fraud.

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Yes, thank you for the name. I did a search for him, and I recognize him from the video I saw.

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But that still doesn't explain how Margaret's spoon got bent in her coffee??

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The montage at the end indicated that Cillian was unwittingly responsible for all the spooky supernatural events that went on.

This is an example of the "untruthful narrator" trope, where the detective is actually the person responsible for the crimes he is supposeds to be investigating.
Naturally the trope means that certain scenes, inserted to artificially heighten suspense, seem confusing when the story is examined more closely.

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The spoons is easy, they even said it. He bends them with his fingers.

The polaroids are an "oops" moment in the movie I guess.

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The Polaroid trick has been used by many mentalists, although it isn't very practical anymore given how expensive it's become since Polaroid stopped manufacturing both the cameras and the film. I'm not entirely sure how the trick is done, although a small electrostatic charge or field can produce fogging effects and patches of light on Polaroid film. Maybe Silver had something in his watch, or hidden in his sleeve.

Regardless of exactly how he did it, the Paul Shackleton character was a complete boob who obviously cow-towed to Silver instead of thoroughly scrutinizing and searching every inch of him, including his watch (which Silver insisted not be altered). Shackleton was much more interested in proving paranormal phenomenon instead of disproving it via scientific process, so was easily duped, just like the multitude of believers prone to fall prey to people like Silver who take advantage of people's tendency (and inherent need) to believe instead of think.
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Nope, his watch was removed and checked and then Silver put it back on. He made a remark about the cover of the watch, he didn't tell them not to touch it.
His sleeves were also checked (and then folded) he couldn't hide anything in them. Btw, random static produces random noise, not clear ghostly images like the ones we were shown. Yet your point on Shackleton is valid.

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Good point. You're right, I just re-watched that scene and they indeed even roll up his sleeves. They only flip up the top of the watch though, and don't look inside it, although they do scan it with something that isn't defined in the film. I still don't see it as a mistake because there's a variety of ways he could have done it, but it does indeed appear to be a hole that wasn't directly explained. It's true the images shown in the film don't directly match up with electrostatic exposure, but I had just viewed that as movie embellishment (I didn’t remember them being as precise as they were until I just watched it a second time). Or, maybe it was actually Tom who inadvertently affected the film (which is purely speculation).

On the other hand, consider the following…

Although in the movie they rolled up Silver’s sleeves and did a quick check of his watch, if he was a master magician he could easily have had something in his hands, something he slipped into the tube used during the experiment. There was a case concerning famed Thoughtographer Ted Serios, where two amateur magicians, Charlie Reynolds and David Eisendrath, who were both also professional photographers, claimed to have exposed him. The below excerpt from Wikipedia covers that situation as well as another, and I think we could reasonably speculate that it was how Silver did his trick.

"In an article in the October 1967 issue of Popular Photography, Charlie Reynolds and David Eisendrath, both amateur magicians and professional photographers, claimed to have exposed Serios as a fraud after spending a weekend with him and Eisenbud. Reynolds and Eisendrath said they spotted Serios slipping something into the tube that Serios claimed he needed to help him concentrate. They surmised this was a picture of something that the camera would take an image of, but which Serios would claim came from his mind rather than his hand. Serios's psychokinetic powers began to fade after this exposure.[10]

In an article in New Scientist titled "The Chance of a Lifetime" (24 March 2007), an interview appears with the noted mathematician and magician Persi Diaconis. During the interview Persi mentioned that Martin Gardner had paid him to watch Ted Serios perform, during which Persi claimed that he caught Serios sneaking a small marble with a photograph on it into the little tube attached to the front of the camera he used. "It was," Persi said, "a trick." Persi did not discuss the physical conditions imposed by Eisenbud (monkey suit, separation from camera, etc.) during his experiments."

This seems very much in line with how the film specifically portrays Shackleton making a big deal about the special plastic tube he had constructed for Silver's use in that particular experiment.
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He said "please be careful with the watch, the top flips up and I wouldn't want the hands moved" (something to that effect). And the fact that the watches were synchronized is how he communicated with the man in the other booth.

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There was nothing altered with silvers watch it was just set exactly to the other persons watch second for second, probably why he said be carefull with it and dont touch the dials when they took it off him before the tests, the spoon bending and palaroid are just standard tricks he could do it out touching spoon or put photos on digital camera. People talk about plot holes but i cant see any

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Agreed.
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If Simon was real, then he wouldn't have needed to fake anything. That they showed how he faked one test, exposed him as a fraud, and simply meant that he cheated on all of them. It doesn't matter that they didn't explain how he did that particular one—all they really needed to do was expose one trick, and the rest could logically be assumed to be tricks as well.

By the way, all he needed to do to create the images was to place a small trasnparency containing the image to be created, at the end of the black tube. The transparency could be as small as a half an inch across, easily hidden or disguised and easily (for a trained magician) removed from hiding, utilized, then returned to hiding. Simon had numerous pieces of jewelry that could have hidden the transparency.

Google "Ted Serios" for more detials on how easy it is to do.

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Why would they use one of his people to do the experiment? The fact that they used someone he knew isn't that an unaccounted variable? They should have had someone random, even Buckley(Cillian) in the booth so that any tests cannot be skewed and those variables accounted. I agree with whoever said it just goes to show that Shackleton....was a nincompoop.

I actually enjoyed the movie.

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That's true. They didn't need to prove he faked every test, if the aim was to get the public to stop believing in him Exposing one trick would cast considerable doubt on all of his abilities.

There would still be some die-hard fans, but overall public opinion of him would take a nosedive.

Same tactic used by lawyers in trials (or at least the legal thrillers I read). Create doubt over one relatively small detail and the jurors or public starts to question the story they've gotten.

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*SPOILER ALERT*

Silver actually had some powers. The heart attacks. Buckley wasn't even born when Silver's original critic was striken during Silver's final performance. Margaret's 'heart attack' of exactly the same rare kind, during Silver's first performance in 30 years; a bookend for his dormant period.

Silver also did quite a few explainable tricks for his shows, and would not ever want to be revealed as having truly psychic powers. And his 'powers' weren't omnicient. Can you imagine what would happen if someone really was revealed to the world as a 'psychic'?

Buckley was seeking others, or another, like him. Silver knows how Silver does it, but doesn't know how Buckley did that last piece. btw, Silver was really blind, but his psychic ability allowed him to catch the coin; one does not fake blindness convincingly for more than a few minutes. And if you have ever performed onstage, the lights shining make it impossible to see very far out into the audience let alone pick up a coin being thrown at you.

Great twist. Reminded me of 'Frailty'. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0264616/

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Where on earth did you get that from??? Even Tom at the end said that Silver was a fraud.



"What was that, an exhibition?"

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JayCeezy: I truly wish your explanation above was correct or even slightly accurate because it's intriguing, an excellent story and I actually like it. However, you were clearly distracted by something (or was it someONE, lol) while viewing this film, as ALL the supposed "facts" upon which your arguments have been constructed are False and were Clearly shown to be such, as clear definitive answers to these questions are given in the film.

Please do not take offense -- I honestly think that your version, however much it is at odds with the script/final cut of the film, is clever and entertaining....perhaps even superior....so again, I hope that I do not offend you in any way.

To correct the mistatements in your post:

1). SILVER COULD ALWAYS SEE. He was NEVER BLIND.

A. Silver's 1st ("present day") appearance onscreen (Clues #1 & #2):

#1: Silver refuses assistance normally required by the blind as he makes his way own the precarious & narrow aisle of the private jet by telling the pilot/copilot/steward/bodyguard (they never specify), "Don't touch me" or "Get your hands off me" (sorry that I cannot recall which he said, but the meaning and significance is identical).

#2: Immediately following the above, Silver is shown exiting the jet (1st passenger off -- no one to observe him), taking his black "Look-I'm-Blind-Sunglasses" OFF HIS FACE, LOOKING AROUND & REACTING to the VIEW/environment.

As others have said, the film gives away a good number of OBVIOUS clues Very early on, which is both disappointing and irritating. Personally, I kept hoping these "gimme's" were red herrings and more twists would materialize.


B. SILVER CAUGHT THE COIN BECAUSE HE COULD SEE IT. (Clue #3):

#3: Silver spoke the truth, giving himself away to the audience (us, not the fake tv set "Oprah Spoof Show" audience) when he told Fake Oprah (btw, his wife in real life, Grace Hightower) that he could ID the object she brought for him because, "the end of the spoon had been sticking out of her pocket for the last [# of] minutes". The tv hostess then plays it off by making a comment about Silver being such a "kid" [a juvenile tease, a jokester], but if you look at her face immediately after Silver's comment, she is clearly thinking, "You *SAW* THAT!", and then then STRUGGLES to regain her composure before she makes a joke of it & recovers (though barely). Clearly shaken, she resorts to the tried & true of television journalism 101: COS (Change of Subject) or Make a Joke -- she does Both.


2). SILVER DID NOT HAVE ANY PSYCHIC ABILITY THAT ALERTED HIM TO THE "Skeptic Booth/Control Room" AT THE THEATER.

A. Silver was ONLY alerted to Dr. Buckley's presence when Buckley flipped the POWER switch ON.

B. The fake psychic that Drs. Buckley & Matheson had outed previously TRAINED with SILVER and was his former CLOSE ASSOCIATE. The Control Booth used by the fake was next door to/shared a common wall with the doctors' equipment room. It was fairly obvious that either the fake mentalist, his "red light" henchman &/or Silver's blonde associate notified Silver of the location of the doctors' equipment room.

C. When Dr. Matheson & Co. surveilled the fake mentalist (the first time we see the control booth & its use), Dr. Matheson reacts so strongly to the obvious presence of the security detail surrounding/guarding her control booth, along with the equipment & its integrity within, that even the sleepiest viewer cannot help but take notice. She is clearly LIVID that SECURITY IS SO VERY NOTICEABLE and at first, the audience is left to wonder why (& probably thinking, "Who cares?!"). The reasons are revealed when Silver has his 'seeming moment of discovery': appearing as if he's blowing up the booth with his supposed telekinetic powers. NOT SO. In actuality, the security detail blew their cover during the mentalist's take-down and then...poof! No more security...the equipment is left unguarded, unmoved, unprotected. Vulnerable to Silver's nefarious, devious plans for trickery and deception of a guillible public.

D. SILVER &/or his associates SABOTAGED THE ROOM & EQUIPMENT. Silver was alerted when Dr. Buckley flipped the power switch. Then, just as he did during the final confrontation scene, Silver let the pyrotechnics FLY! The lights, power supplies & electronics were rigged to surge, blow and explode in an "AWE-INSPIRING DISPLAY"...exactly the kind of show-inspiring-belief that Silver is trying to induce in his audience with ALL his TRICKS--& I mean >>TRICKS!<< Although this clue needs a bit more logical deduction than the issue of the Sight-ENABLED Silver, it's still fairly straightforward & obvious.

E. The entire storyline with the fake mentalist is basic Exposition for the Clue/ANSWER to Silver's (VERY FRAUDULENT) "display of power" during the final confrontation with Buckley.....while, in sharp contrast, Buckley performs the exact REVERSE (opposite both in the event and the mechanism/method, meaning the source of his Power) by using REAL T.K. POWER to shut down Silver's PATHETIC display of FAKERY that required henchmen, accomplices, trickery & "NORMAL" EXPLAINABLE methods NOT related to any Powers, Abilities, Gifts, Phenomena, etc..


3). Buckley sums up the TRUTH/ANSWER of the film very well by lamenting in the end that he had been on a quest of sorts to find someone like himself....someone with REAL GIFTS, POWERS & ANOMOLIES.

A. This is what caused him to join Dr. Matheson (recall that she asked, "Why are you with me? where did you come from?", which was repeated at the end of the movie to remind us & drive this point home) as well as what drove him to seek out/be obssessed with Silver (as the film makes it clear that Silver was the ONLY "psychic-telekinetic" who had yet to be debunked after THIRTY YEARS).



Buckley states with defeat, "I thought I coud find someone like myself, I thought Silver was The One, but IT WAS ONLY ME ALL THE TIME--I WAS DOING IT, NOT HIM [Silver]" (my paraphrase).
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All that said....I truly enjoyed the film and even see possibilities for some additional twists &/or interpretations - without changing the very clear truth of my statements here:

1). An argument can be made for Buckley's Girlfriend to possess psychic/extrasensory capabilities, as well as having a psychic or t.k. connection to Buckley.

A. She picks out the "Red Lights" on her 1st try; she alone notices the synchronized watches & ID's Silver's accomplice, among other unusual abilities/examples in the film.


2). An argument can be made for Dr. Matheson to possess similar, or even greater, super-normal abilities.

A. She asks both Buckley, and later the student love interest, about the girl being too young....both ask Matheson, "Too young for what?", with Matheson 'getting' their answer w/out any verbal reply &/or non-verbal cues.

B. Matheson knew about the little girl slamming her closet door to scare her father into moving when there was NO OBSERVABLE EVIDENCE - not even to the PROVEN PSYCHIC Buckley - who was most likely distracted by the attractive (FAKE psychic) hairdresser - but still.......Matheson knew about the door, the girls wanting to move back to their hometown, etc., all without ANY of the clues, tools or 'tricks of the trade' that she used to 'out' the hairdresser and that she regularly taught in class.

C. These points are clearly "highlighted" for the viewing audience, making me more inclined to believe that Dr. Matheson's mantra of disbelief in ANY extraordinary power of the mind by ANY PERSON, might just be a case of 'thou protest too much' or plain old blindness/self denial. [Btw, there are more examples, the sheer number of which lends credence to the theory.]

It is an intriguing thought and perfectly in line with the theme/s of the film, the dialogue and the actions of the characters. Plus, Dr. Matheson's inability to see anything beyond ths life &/or know the mind/wishes of her son does not negate the possibility that she has extra sensory abilities-T.K. The trauma of her son's tragedy could easily create a block, as well as guilt and self-doubt, especially when related to her feeling/belief that she could've/should've done or noticed something that would have averted such a horrific outcome for her precious child...her only son.

Bottom line....intriguing film. I highly recommend it and look forward to watching it again.

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ksperrye, thanks for your gracious and detailed reply. I really appreciate your explanation, but even more your tone and high level of discourse. Am sure I don't have to tell you about 98% of the imdb.com posters, and their 'style'.:-)

Firstly, you are right. Of course you are right.

But I like my interpretation better. If I don't, then this was just a foreign-made potboiler with some American movie stars in their 60s, who did their most famous work in the 1970s. That had a theatrical release in the US of two theaters, in order to fulfill the contractual requirement so that DeNiro and Weaver would do it and not have it count as a 'straight-to-DVD'. Add a creepy looking Irish actor (priced right) who is this generation's Willem Dafoe or Christopher Walken. Throw in a young pop actress to attract a few teens, and maybe some 50 year-old male Olsen completists.:-) And it 'borrowed' the conceit of blindness being revealed as false from the Zatoichi saga http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0363226/, the Carny/Psychic/Mentalist cons with tricks over 100 years old from Harry Houdini, any Ricky Jay book http://www.amazon.com/Learned-Pigs-Fireproof-Women-Entertainers/produc t-reviews/0374525706, stagecraft revealed 20 years ago in 'Leap of Faith' http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0104695/, some inside cinema references like "Open Your Eyes" http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0125659/ by another Spanish moviemaker, etc. Penn & Teller actually make their live show about the craft of illusion, write 45 minutes of act and then repeat it with the 'reveals' for a 90 minute show.

If I don't go with my own interpretation, then I have to see this movie for something else. A 30 year unexplained 'hiatus' for a showman pretending to be blind. Identical rare heart attacks as murder technique. Police security and prison sentences for guys putting on a show, but breaking no laws. Academic Skeptics going around "exposing" things that don't need exposing, much like the kind of people who must tell you that pro wrestling is "fake".

If that were the case, I would have to be quite disappointed in the movie. Instead, I liked the movie.

And lastly, you are right. Cheers.

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Hm... and all the things you just mentioned doesn't make for a good film?

It is a shame you won't allow the film to be anything outside you interpretations. You can stick with them as you like of course... but saying it only works in your way is a bit narrow minded. No offence... that's just what jumped out at me.

Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others.

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To: "JayCeezy"

Hahaha....and I like Your tone and level of discourse :-)

How wonderful to disagree on a point, have an interesting conversation and Not come to blows/insults! I definitely know what you mean about the typical behavior of imdb posters who don't see eye-to-eye.

I also appreciate your "gallantry" for stating that I was "Right".

In turn, I will say that You are "right" in wanting the storyline to be....MORE. I agree. This could've been a truly superior film and it just missed the mark, which is really a shame.

Thank you for being the most congenial 'opponent' I've ever faced, lol.

Take care and hopefully I'll see you around the boards :-)

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She figured out it was the kid easily, it was just attention to detail. When they go upstairs the father walks over to the closet and closes the door, no kid that moves from the city to the country will be happy about it, and most will want to go back, due to friends, ect.

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I agree with you, I enjoyed the film as well and got the taste of Prestige again with the last part. I though of Silver's not being blind too but for all other things, I wanted to know how they would unwind at the end. It was good.

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Clearly JayCeezy really needs to believe in the possibility of psychic phenomena to the point they are mistaken when following the plot lines in a movie.

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Here's what I don't understand. Nowhere in the movie did they say that Margaret died of a heart attack of any kind. We see her taking medication (though we don't know for what). In the news report, they say she died of "a rare vascular disorder," which could be anything. AVMs are also vascular disorders. It seems to me - especially having worked in the media and knowing that they write for the lowest common denominator - they would have called it a heart attack if that's what it was.

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I was disturbed by the findings of the vascular disorder because my grandmother was diagnosed with one too late to repair by surgery after she had a stroke. She had the stroke on the same side at the EXACT age her mother did. Genetics count for a lot. I have a lot of problems with pain on that side and some other conditions that might be related to lower blood flow. I just found out more about my grandmother's condition last week, although she passed away about fifteen years ago. I'll go to have it checked now and then if I have it hopefully we can wait on surgery (with monitoring and medication) for another decade because I have a young son, and the surgery for it is very dangerous.

My sister had a roommate whose father dropped dead of a heart attack when they were freshman in college and he was in his mid-forties, but precisely the same age his father died of the same. He was otherwise a fit man. Genetics again.

I think the issues with Margaret and her son were red herrings. She had an unknown vascular disorder from which she died in adulthood while experiencing great stress at that time. It's likely her son dropped to the floor the same way she did when he was four due to the same condition. They don't always present the same way in males and females.

If Silver had anything to do with her death it was due to the profound stress she was under at that time exacerbating her condition.

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I don't think Silver had anything directly to do with Margaret's death. (See my post above.)

Also, I don't think he was really blind. I think he was wearing contacts to make it appear he was blind when he took off his glasses. Also, he could be legally blind, which doesn't mean he can't see. My brother-in-law and sister-in-law are both legally blind. Trust me, when they take off their glasses you can tell, but once she made a comment about how I'd cut my hair. I was stunned. She could see that much when I was standing in front off her with my back to her, but clearly needed to use equipment for assisted living and is officially legally blind. They also go sight seeing while traveling. I thought that was unusual until I learned they could see outlines of things.

I think (for the purpose of the movie) that Tom was the one who wasn't accepting his role as a true psychic and ended up causing all of these strange events to occur. He could have been the one who called Margaret the day her spoon bent in her cup (no one touching it) to tell her the truth, but chickened out and his "energy" caused the spoon to bend.

And the tests done by the university showed that there was no significant data in all of the tests but the one where he and the other man used their watches to communicate. So, nothing significant except on the one test where he committed clear fraud. Silver was a fake and entertainer. Tom was the real thing.

"There is nothing in the dark that isn't there when the lights are on." - Rod Serling

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It is generally believed that something is put into the tube used, one can read about a famous guy who used to do this and he was called out by several who saw him putting things into the tube to develop the pictures with ala a picture imprinted marble of some sort was claimed to have done the trick etc. - it would have been easy for Silver to introduced some tool he was using into the experiment, heck, right after they told him to keep his hands on the table they all looked away from him at the flickering lights, he was good at using any slight of hand opportunity that would arise and to direct people's attention elsewhere without them realizing it.

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Cillian Murphy did all real magic including pictures.

Ours is the Fury!

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when i Saw Simon[Deniro]take off his sunglasses when he is sitting down his eyes are white like he was blind, but at the end when it shows him looking round you can see colour etc i obv know he was faking it but was he wearing contacts or something?

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J and KS: You are both right.

The film does provide enough for both theories to work out, but leaves things up to interpretation. I was also stunned about the coin - really, you can't see it on a stage, and it's much more logical to be a psychic and catch it than to "see it coming".

What also got me was the dialogue in the hotel room. If Silver was faking it, he wouldn't need to put up a show for himself.

So yeah, there is enough here for both sides of the coin to work. Maybe he was faking some stuff, because he could only control so much.

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and how bout my question The Coma-Man lol

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how did he manage to create those 'psychic' images on the Polaroid?


It was Buckley. I did wonder at the time why the most common image on the Polaroids was of Silver himself as it was supposed to show what the psychic was concentrating on. As we saw at the end, it was Buckley who was the psychic all along, and he present and focusing on Silver at the time. If I remember correctly there were lights flickering, which in hindsight was also evidence his powers were working.

Everything we see Silver actually do, that isn't explained in the film, (psychic surgery, levitating, spoon bending whilst holding the spoons, etc.) can be done by a stage magician with practice and a decent budget. I thought the levitating might have been a bit too obvious as a lot of people would have seen it done better by a stage magician.

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