Why not just fly F-35?


If I remember correctly, the movie use one line to explain: "Because the mountain make GPS useless, and F-35 need GPS."

What?

Why that monutain can make GPS useless? Why F-35 need GPS?

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I think it was a cheesy excuse because they would be too expensive to use in a movie. The F-18's are old and was cheaper to use is my guess.

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If I read the trivia correctly, they used the new version called the Super Hornet, which were sent to the Blue Angels after filming was completed.

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Mountains mess with GPS on my phone all the time. What if they need to text with someone about groceries or a date while on the mission? Maybe the F-35 uses cellular tech to communicate with its grandparents, F-14 & F-16.

Seriously, I had no idea about all this and I'm guessing the vast majority of the audience didn't either. This is like the original "Top Gun" where the jets had "blatantly non-matching carrier markings," another detail that I missed and suspect I'm not alone in having missed.

It's still an interesting detail/flaw though.

Still, isn't the F-18 the current carrier mainstay? From what I've read, the F-35 is a long range fighter, and they specifically wanted to deploy from a carrier at a relatively short range in order to surprise the "rogue naton."

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From what I understand what they were talking about is not related F-35 per se, but precision guided bombs. Precision guided bombs could be GPS guided and the mountains have GPS jammers installed, so the GPS guided bombs won't work, so they have to use dumb bombs and those bombs have to be dropped at very close range. They basically admitted that F-35, once released the bombs, could not do a steep climb and escape, so they had to use F-18. I think that is the premise of the movie.

But of course that is not true, precision guided bombs are primarily laser guided, GPS guidance is optional, and laser guidance is only affected by weather, so the reason they give in the movie is stupid, for lack of a better word, to a point even audience without specific military knowledge can be instinctively aware.

Of course that is not the only place things don't make sense, many many more things in this movie do not make sense, this part is just more noticeable. For people actually understand military weapons, even just very basic knowledge, can be hard to enjoy this movie. But luckily that does not apply to majority of the audience.

The main difference of this movie from the original I think is the loss of seriousness, think of it as a comic book movie, it's unrealisticness is just one step away from Marvel SHIELD helicarrier. I don't think I am exaggerating it.

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The main difference of this movie from the original I think is the loss of seriousness, think of it as a comic book movie, it's unrealisticness is just one step away from Marvel SHIELD helicarrier. I don't think I am exaggerating it.


Maybe it's Tom Cruise's purpose, the first and second Mission Impossible are like Top Gun, the first one is seriousness, the second one is unrealisticness. He said he want every M:I entry has different style like Alien series. Maybe he want the same thing to Top Gun.

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Could be. But MI movies do not usually have that level of comedy, Marvel movies do, so I was thinking of comic book movies.

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They basically admitted that F-35, once released the bombs, could not do a steep climb and escape, so they had to use F-18. I think that is the premise of the movie.


I just watch the movie again, they didn't use "steep climb" as the reason to not use F35, the only reason movie gave is: "Mountain has GPS jammer, F35 need GPS."

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But F-35 does not need GPS. I don't know how to be any clearer.

Even you don't have any military knowledge at all. Think about it, just install GPS jammers and F-35 becomes useless, does that sound right to you?

Why doesn't F-18 need GPS? I mean what is the difference? What does F-18 have and F-35 does not?

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That is my point: the movie makes absolutely no sense on why not use F35.

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It doesn't.

What I came out with should be the closest working interpretation, but even that does not make complete sense.

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It has been said at least once in this discussion but the reason why they didn’t use the F35 other than it’s a lot more of a classified aircraft than the F18, since Tom Cruise said that if he was going to do another top gun movie, he wanted the actors inside the planes and due to the fact that the F35 is only a single seat aircraft, kind of impossible to do which is why they chose the F 18 because it’s a twin seater.

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Not from what I read. The F35 lightning is every bit GPS dependent just like the F18 is.

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Easy, there would be no movie then. Need 2 seaters to film the faces of the actors where the F-35 is single seat only so they'd be left without the realism and fall back on the original Top Gun which is a no for Cruise. And yes, GPS jamming environment would negate the GPS armaments for the F-35. Whether that's plausible is debatable.

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If Tom Cruise want realism, F-35 can be done with another planes: Put actors on another plane, and use props or CGI to make it looks like F-35. Like what they did on F-14, Su-57, Darkstar.

The scenes with F-14 and Su-57 look as real as the scenes on F-18, and there are no ways they can fly real F-14 or Su-57.

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Maybe they didn’t want to use CGI for that. But if you think about how in reality, they most likely would’ve pulled that whole mission off with a B2 Spirit stealth bomber from about 50,000 feet, at night and drop a couple of highly advanced bombs that nobody would’ve even known where they came from with just one plane and two pilots. That’s why I wouldn’t really make it a big deal for what planes they used in the movie.

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I can't believe this is an actual point of contention with people. The f-18 is a fully capable fighter, and still deployed for CV. The F-35 is the newest and most advanced fighter, it's not likely to be exposed for a silly hollywood production. The USN was highly protective of weapons systems even during the first Top Gun, only allowing for a single missile launch to be filmed.

We got a great action movie to enjoy, so enjoy it. Or continue to bitch about it I guess. You're not impressing anyone with your silly arguments.

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Hello, it's rare to see a fan for The Last Jedi and The Rise of Skywalker: logic is not important.

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Well, why not F-22s as an escort at least. They knew they were going against fifth gen fighters (Su 57) which Russia only has a handful of. The U.S. has an entire fleet. IRL the hornets would have been shot down by the SU 57s, it wouldn't even be a contest. A single F-22 can defeat five F-15s and an SU-57 is supposedly on par with an F-22.

However this is Hollywood, so suspension of disbelief is par for the course. Besides, no way, the Pentagon would allow actors to fly F-22s, So old ass Super-Hornets it is.

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Just some made up reason because the U.S. military will not let actors fly the F-35 or F-22. If this mission took place IRL, would probably use Super-Hornets or F-35s to deliver the bombs, but they would probably have an escort of F-22s to deal with the SU-57s. Not to mention they would have hit the SAM batteries with cruise missiles first, so the canyon run wouldn't have been nearly as perilous.

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Actors don't actually fly these things, you know that, right?

Same as they don't manufacture nuclear bombs, or go back in time to the 1930's to play a part...

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They did go up in the back seat. That is how they got Cruises's face under Gs. Of course they wouldn't let anyone but a trained fighter pilot fly those planes., I misspoke. However, the military would never allow a movie production to use those planes. Besides, what you would really want for the dog fighting are F-22s, and they are strictly Air Force and would have to launch from land. I believe the Navy has its own version of the F35. However, since this is Top Gun, gotta use the the planes they use at the Navy Fighter Weapons School - The Super Hornet.

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Well the film was supposedly filmed between May 2018 to April 2019 and the F-35C that the US Navy uses for carrier operations did not achieve operational status until February 2019.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Martin_F-35_Lightning_II

U.S. Navy
The USN achieved operational status with the F-35C in Block 3F on 28 February 2019.[3] On 2 August 2021, the F-35C of VFA-147, as well as the CMV-22 Osprey, embarked on their maiden deployments as part of Carrier Air Wing 2 on board the USS Carl Vinson.[293]

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Do you even watch the movie? In the movie they admit F-35 is a viable option, but "the mountain make GPS useless, F-35 need GPS, we can't fly F-35."

If "operational status" is real reason, they can just said "F-35 is not ready to use."

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I’m talking real world.

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I already answer that, if F-35 are not ready to use when they filming, why use GPS as excuse? Why not just say "F-35 is not ready to use."

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