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So...what the heck was the wall?


The impossible/fantastical happening that is never explained but serves to explore the characters is becoming a more and more prominent motive these days, and for some movies/shows not explaining the happening works, for others it just feels like cheating and storytelling failure. From the movie alone, as I haven't read the book, this felt like the latter. I understand the wall is a metaphor, symbolical of this and that, etc. - but the way the movie was told, it just felt disingenuous that the main character never really tries to break through the wall, and that we never find out anything about it. Like one of your friends who always has a "good idea for a movie," but can't follow through with a good middle or ending.

Not that I thought the movie overall was bad, it was decent for what it was, but the lack of any explanation hurt it, from my view.

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I agree completely. The woman encounters this invisible wall which cuts her off completely from the rest of the world, leaving her to spend the rest of her life (we assume...we are never told for sure) with a cow and a dog, and she puts less effort into trying to escape than I do into trying to get into last years' jeans. Absurd. Naturally, the movie is considered an "art house masterpiece", aka "crap story that makes no sense."
I give it a 2; the scenery was fantastic, and I liked the dog. I was thoroughly ticked off that the wall was never explained and that we do not know what happened after she finished her notes.
15 minutes worth of movie dragged on for 1 hour and 48 minutes.

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It's a beautifully made film, well written and acted but you gave it a 2 because the wall wasnt explained?? May I recommend Cabin In The Woods? or Under The Dome??

Films like this arent for people like you ... the wall was a way of setting up a story and the story had nothing to do with a wall.

A 2 indeed, it's a good thing that IMDb has a system to weed out daft votes like that.

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Let me get this straight; I'm stupid because I (among others) don't care for a movie that has a completely unexplained WALL in the middle of nowhere that just appears out of nowhere, isolates a woman and her "pets" behind the WALL for who knows how long, and we don't know where it came from or where (or if) it ever went?? This movie, CALLED "THE WALL" had nothing to do with the wall, you say?? Then why wasn't it called, "Isolation", or "Survival" if it had nothing to do with the wall? You're right when you say films like this aren't for people like me; I prefer my films to make sense, to have some kind of point. What if a green elephant in a tutu had been dropped on her cabin? Wouldn't you want to know where it came from? Or would you say that the film had nothing to do with the elephant, but was actually about how a woman learns to cope with living with an elephant sitting on her leg, trapping her there, to ponder her existence and die of starvation (or eat her dog), but we should ignore the elephant?
This film was made for arrogant, pompous idiots like you, who stand in front of a painting of a woman with a breast in the middle of her forehead and pontificate about how the breast symbolizes the artist's longing for more cheese in his/her diet or something equally as "daft." My bet is that the author of the book that this movie is supposedly based on AND the creators of the movie are all laughing their heads off at all of the high-brow ABSURD comments about how this is an "art house film", not to be understood by neanderthals such as myself (and the other posters who thought this tripe was...well, TRIPE), and congratulating each other for pulling this stinky piece of wool over so many peoples' eyes.
No, you may not recommend any movies to me; you know nothing about my taste in movies or books except that I don't like moves about walls, called The Wall, that you think have nothing to do with walls.
Pompous moron. Next time someone walks up to you and smacks you across the face (I'm sure it's happened before and will again), just tell yourself that it has nothing to do with you; it's just their way of expressing their frustration and loneliness in a world too stupid to understand them.

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OK, point taken, sorry if I was a bit rude, youre much better at that than I am anyway :-)
I guess some people need everything to be explained and some don't ... this film was about depression, or human isolation, or connecting with nature, or growing old ... I dont know, make up your own mind, but one thing it's not about is a mysterious wall!

A vote of 2 should be reserved for badly made, unwatchable films (InAPPropriate Comedy, for example) ... did you give Reservoir Dogs a 2 because there were no dogs or reservoirs in it?
I didnt like Inception but gave it a 6-7 because it was well made, well acted and I could see why some people would love it. You cant rank The Godfather a 2-3 because you dont like violence, so I just wanted to say to save your 2 votes for bad Adam Sandler films or 'Battle of the Year' ... not for this.

And Ive never been slapped in the face and Im not a chin-stroking pontificater ...

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OK, point taken, sorry if I was a bit rude, youre much better at that than I am anyway :-)

Ah, yes...An insult followed by a smiley face is so much nicer than just an honest-to-goodness burn.

I guess some people need everything to be explained and some don't ... this film was about depression, or human isolation, or connecting with nature, or growing old ... I dont know, make up your own mind, but one thing it's not about is a mysterious wall!

Thank you for explaining that. Do you think you could help me with this shampoo bottle? Lather, rinse, repeat...How many times should I repeat? Maybe it's not about shampoo at all. Just because it's on the shampoo bottle doesn't mean I should automatically think it's about the shampoo, right?? What do YOU think it's about??

Thank you for explaining the rating system to me; to think all this time, I've been rating films on whether or not I liked them/thought they were well-done...or didn't. I should have been ranking them on whether or not YOU liked them/considered them trash or treasure, etc. BTW, I haven't watched RD or the Godfather movies; I don't like that much violence. So I haven't rated them. But you just let me know what YOU rated them, and I'll go right to their sites and put in the same ratings. Poor Adam Sandler...He's made all these movies for naught! He should have just asked you beforehand. He could have saved himself all those trips to the bank just by not making the movies. I don't know what a "Battle of the Year" movie is, so I'll just let you handle their ratings. I'm sure they're waiting on pins and needles to see what you think of them.

A vote of 2 should be reserved for badly made, unwatchable films (InAPPropriate Comedy, for example) ... did you give Reservoir Dogs a 2 because there were no dogs or reservoirs in it?

Really? You really think that this is a valid question? Oh, wait...I see what you're doing there. Sarcasm. I'm impressed. Rude AND condescending. What a lovely combination.

THE NAME OF THE FILM IS "THE WALL." THERE IS A HUGE TRANSPARENT WALL IN THE MOVIE CUTTING OFF THE WOMAN FROM THE REST OF THE WORLD. ONE DAY IT ISN'T THERE, THE NEXT DAY IT IS. SHE TRIES TO FIGURE IT OUT. IF THE WALL WAS NOT THERE, THE STORY WOULD NOT EXIST. SO ASKING WHERE IT CAME FROM IS A VERY VALID QUESTION. IF YOU DON'T THINK SO, JUST DON'T ASK. But you have no right to criticize others for asking, unless you're doing so just to be a chin-stroking pontificator.

BTW, you may not have been slapped in the face yet, but I can pretty much guarantee that if you treat people at a dinner party the way you treat them here, it's gonna happen.

Here's a little treat for you. I think it's funny and speaks to this topic. I may be wrong, though; you let me know. I'll change my mind accordingly. :-) (See what I did there? A smiley face...)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4EDhdAHrOg


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So much anger over something so insignificant.. DzoniB is dead on correct. The wall was nothing more than a plot device to push forward a theme, more or less entropic in nature. You obviously can't seem to understand that type of storytelling, as you fail to look deeper and only seek to be entertained by simple surface plot structure. Hollywood should thank you. And as a filmmaker myself, you are the kind of audience I tend to avoid.

Take ONE film education course and you'll hopefully see what I'm talking about, if you can ever get over yourself. Take your hate somewhere else and let the grown ups talk.

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I wonder if one of the functions these boards serve is to let people vent their bile on others. And then it becomes a battle of wits or half-so. I thought the film's scenery was gorgeous. That the woman knew how to hunt (that's why they were there) is explained, but how to make bread, birth a calf? Is this all we learn when when we are trying to survive? I like the metaphor of depression....makes more sense than just accepting the 'wall' which seemed arbitrary as to its placement. Just showing up to keep her from human contact.


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A person can hate this movie and not like Adam Sandler, don't be a hipster about it.



If you pirate media, you do not get to have an opinion on it.

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Ummm you are stupid, it's a movie about survival, and all you care about is knowing what that wall was. If you were in her position, you'd never find out what the wall was or where it came from, so why see things from a God point of view instead of the characters? you're quite lame, maybe you should be watching transformers or something else.

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I don't think the wall had to be explained (if aliens or the government were behind it, she'd have no way of knowing and it was all from her perspective). But how can you say "the story had nothing to do with a wall"?

I liked the movie: 6/10.

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If the story was about the wall it wouldve had some explanation. I'd say it's about isolation, being cut off from everybody, maybe like social anxiety or something. There are people who like hermit-like lives, and not all of them by choice.

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If the story was about the wall it wouldve had some explanation.


Not if it was all from the perspective of the person trapped inside, who has no way to learn anything about it. I read somewhere (maybe Wikipedia?) that an academic called this a good example of a "premise film", and I like that way of looking at it. The author thinks "what if...?" and then goes through with what it would take to survive in that situation. This is an interesting quandary, and worth exploring despite the fact that the author does not (and presumably cannot, for a lot of obvious reasons) explain the "why" of the wall.

I absolutely believe we are meant to take the wall as an external, physical reality for the protagonist, and observe a Robinson Crusoe-like scenario of physical as well as mental survival: chopping wood, reaping hay, planting potatoes, etc.

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Well, I guess it's open to interpretation whether the wall is real or analogous. Potato potato tomato tomato ... :-)

btw is that your list linked at the bottom of your posts? I just had a look and you have GREAT taste in films (and by 'great' I mean similar to mine :-) ) .... I've seen and loved nearly all the first page, so I'll go though it and see if I can find some gems I've missed. Thanks for that :-)

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Thank you! Yup, that's my lovingly cultivated list, and your comment made my day. 😀 I have the same definition of "great" as you do, LOL...so it sounds like you have great taste too!

I'd be curious to see your list. If you make one (and no, I don't make any money off recommending Flickchart, heh) and "friend" me, we can click a link to automatically compare our lists in various ways, including "highest you haven't seen".

Also, since last year I've been tweeting reviews of my top 365 favorites (it was originally supposed to be one a day, but I've slacked and still have 100 to go after 11 months have passed). Part of the challenge is reviewing a movie in a single tweet, including the title. Not easy! You can check it out here:

https://twitter.com/slackerinc

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welllll, the movie was based on a book and stayed true to that instead of adding an interpretation or explanation, so blame the author, not the film makers for keeping that vision true

i watch waaay to many movies >.<

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Whippetchick needs to get a life

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*yawn*

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Dont bother, ClickToRegister, she's got a nail in her head!

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At least whip started out talking about the film instead of ripping the other commenters. Then dz threw the first personally directed punch....i.e. this film wasn't made for people as stupid and uneducated as her - which is what set her righteous anger off.... If whip needs to go to a film class, then dz and hock need to go back to elementary school to learn how to express an opinion on the film without personal attacks. A high IQ does not make a condescending, ugly attitude any more tolerable.

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Thank you, heather_lake-1; I wondered if I was the only person that noticed that. I appreciate you risking getting verbally smacked around by sticking up for me. ;-) I try never to get nasty first, but if someone wants to sling mud...and just won't stop...I have no problem slinging back. I did wonder why the OP was not considered "stupid" or "uneducated" for asking the question in the first place, tho.

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Honestly I think it is up to the viewer to decide what the wall is. To me the wall was in her mind. She was shutting the world out and wanted nothing to come in. The Wall was that barrier. She was depressed over a traumatic incident and she was shutting the world out. I believe the wall was in her head, in her writings to protect herself for anymore horror. Notice her hair in the scene with the man and then in the cabin. I liked this film a lot. It made you think

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No, that makes the film much less interesting. Nor would we see so many aspects of survival like planting potatoes, reaping hay from a meadow, etc., if that were the case.

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Read more books (dare I say it: literature). You'll learn about the various methods authors use for exposition, such as missives from a first person narrator, as well as the tendency to end a story on an ambiguous note.



Utilizing these types of tools doesn't make the movie good. Too often people think if something works in a book it'll work in a movie, it's just not the truth.


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Indeed

Another note is that the novel was written and takes place sometime in the mid sixties, during the cold war. In the book, the character explains the wall to herself as probably being some new weapon, launched by some military superpower - this she finds to be the only plausible explanation.


She does consider escaping by digging her way under the wall, seeing that the river has been able to do so, but as everyone on the outside seems to be dead, she considers this a possible suicide. The thought of digging her way out does reoccur during the book though, and at one point she says that she will probably do so one day, as a last desperate attempt.

The whole cold war-backdrop seems to be lost in the film - it also explains the amount of suplies in the cabin.. Actually it seems to be left altogether - the music (in the car), the cars and the clothes all make it seem more like our time. I think this is a weakness of the film.

That said, I do believe (as most others here) that the wall itself is not really that important. I neither tend to think of it in metaphorical terms - it's just simply there, as a premise to set up the story. What matters is what happens within these premises, not how they came to be.

Of course this can a little much to swallow for some, and also amongst those I know who've read the book there is a division between those who accepts these premises, and those who find them implausible (and with that also the protagonists actions, and thoughts). Which is fair.

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i think that this was a well thought out reasoned reply thank you!

i watch waaay to many movies >.<

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I agree with your take, and am glad you don't see it as metaphorical, or something she imagined.

I'm curious though as to how she can be so sure everyone beyond the wall is dead. And how does the book describe the people she sees on the other side? The way they were portrayed in the movie was really creepy and well done.

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Having only seen the film and not read the book, I didn't find the wall itself to have much actual meaning. I think the story could be generalized from two distinct scenes and the mood surrounding each.

1. When she shoots a deer and we watch the life leave it's body and then it rolls down a hill.

2. When she shoots the man. She says she dragged his body up a cliff and rolled it down.

In the former, she shot to survive, but felt guilt. Her first thoughts were, "I don't want to do this, it doesn't feel right". In the latter, there's a real opportunity to interact with another human, alive, inside her wall. Maybe to ask questions like; "Why are you here? How did you get here?" etc... Instead she acts on anger, protection, and in a defensive almost-reflex runs for a gun to kill.

So she went from "just getting by", "I'm doing this because I have no other option" to "I'm protecting this, this is mine, this is my survival".

She spoke early in the movie about how she could never relate to someone who enjoyed killing, but after she killed the man with the axe there was a tone of gratification in her voice about it, aside from the loss of Bull and Lynx.

These two scenes don't explain the movie, but they put it in a really easy context when looking at the rest of the film. For example, "As a human you are the only thing capable of, and responsible for, deciding right from wrong in the wild."

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Having only seen the film and not read the book, I didn't find the wall itself to have much actual meaning. I think the story could be generalized from two distinct scenes and the mood surrounding each.

1. When she shoots a deer and we watch the life leave it's body and then it rolls down a hill.

2. When she shoots the man. She says she dragged his body up a cliff and rolled it down.

In the former, she shot to survive, but felt guilt. Her first thoughts were, "I don't want to do this, it doesn't feel right". In the latter, there's a real opportunity to interact with another human, alive, inside her wall. Maybe to ask questions like; "Why are you here? How did you get here?" etc... Instead she acts on anger, protection, and in a defensive almost-reflex runs for a gun to kill.

So she went from "just getting by", "I'm doing this because I have no other option" to "I'm protecting this, this is mine, this is my survival".

She spoke early in the movie about how she could never relate to someone who enjoyed killing, but after she killed the man with the axe there was a tone of gratification in her voice about it, aside from the loss of Bull and Lynx.

These two scenes don't explain the movie, but they put it in a really easy context when looking at the rest of the film. For example, "As a human you are the only thing capable of, and responsible for, deciding right from wrong in the wild."

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