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Name that historical inaccuracy


This is a fun game we have started playing at my house:
1. Michelangelo was not yet born in 1467.
2. Machiavelli was 2 years old in 1467 and was not from Milan or a king of street rats, but from a rich family like Lorenzo.
3. Lorenzo was about 20 years old in 1467, 5 years older than Leonardo.
4. Converse shoes weren't made until the 20th century.
5. Pocket watches as we know them today weren't invented until the 16th century.
6. Leonardo falls in love with Valentina, but the real Leonardo never liked girls only boys.
There are probably loads of others that we haven't spotted.

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7. They are all speaking English.

I agree lots of historical inaccuracies but not half bad for a Merlin-esque tv treat for kids.

"Time meant nothing, never would again." Rocky Horror

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There is a big difference between Merlin and Leonardo. One is based on a myth and no matter how you cut it bears *beep* loads of fiction even in the original form, while Leonardo is based on an actual person and actual history, so the latter bothers people a lot more than Merlin. And Merlin's inaccuracies come from re-writing the original legend for tv, while Leonardo goes against logic by putting in converse shoes, and pocket watches and stuff like that.

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Inaccuracies or not, this is an enjoyable show and I only started watching it because it reminds my family of Merlin. It's very Merlin like. With a little tweaking of the show, Leonardo could fill the Saturday night slot filled by Doctor Who, Merlin and formerly Robin Hood

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This show is actually historically 100% perfect. FACT.

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They probably did all the research for the show using any given U.S. High School history text book ...

... U.S. history tets books are almost as good as U.S. Geography text books ...


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Any idea where I can get a copy of the show? Has it been released on DVD yet?

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I've just started to watch this series, have seen the first 2 minutes of the first episode and here you are:

8. Leonardo's master orders coffee.

Coffee didn't come to Europe until much later from the Ottoman Empire and was hardly even invented in the mid 15th century, in Yemen probably. From English Wikipedia, coffee:

The earliest credible evidence of either coffee drinking or knowledge of the coffee tree appears in the middle of the 15th century, in the Sufi Muslim monasteries around Mocha in Yemen.[4] It was here in Arabia that coffee seeds were first roasted and brewed, in a similar way to how it is now prepared. By the 16th century, it had reached the rest of the Middle East, Persia, Turkey, and northern Africa. Coffee seeds were first exported from Ethiopia to Yemen. Yemeni traders brought coffee back to their homeland and began to cultivate the seed. The first coffee smuggled out of the Middle East was by Sufi Baba Budan from Yemen to India in 1670. Before then, all exported coffee was boiled or otherwise sterilised. Portraits of Baba Budan depict him as having smuggled seven coffee seeds by strapping them to his chest. The first plants grown from these smuggled seeds were planted in Mysore.[16] Coffee then spread to Italy, and to the rest of Europe, to Indonesia, and to the Americas.[17]
A Coffee can from the first half of the 20th century. From the Museo del Objeto del Objeto collection.

In 1583, Leonhard Rauwolf, a German physician, gave this description of coffee after returning from a ten-year trip to the Near East:

A beverage as black as ink, useful against numerous illnesses, particularly those of the stomach. Its consumers take it in the morning, quite frankly, in a porcelain cup that is passed around and from which each one drinks a cupful. It is composed of water and the fruit from a bush called bunnu.
—Léonard Rauwolf, Reise in die Morgenländer (in German)
From the Middle East, coffee spread to Italy. The thriving trade between Venice and North Africa, Egypt, and the Middle East brought many goods, including coffee, to the Venetian port. From Venice, it was introduced to the rest of Europe. Coffee became more widely accepted after it was deemed a Christian beverage by Pope Clement VIII in 1600, despite appeals to ban the "Muslim drink." The first European coffee house opened in Italy in 1645.[17]


I'm wondering if I can watch Leonardo at all, if the inaccuracies and inconsistencies are too jarring, considering that I go to IMDb after 2 minutes to see if there is a thread about them. LOL The really funny thing is that I have to watch Leonardo with Swedish voices, not original ones. In Sweden only TV-programmes with a target audience of children under age nine are dubbed like this. Can I as a thinking, highly educated adult watch this show? I can watch Merlin, even if I find it somewhat annoying.

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9. After 3 1/2 minutes and then throughout, servant girls at Lorenzo's house in 18th century fashion. Also typical rococo furniture.
10. Machiavelli in a 19th or 20th century velvet jacket, Leonardo in 20th century leather jacket.

I get that this is some sort of renaissance fantasy, but couldn't the art and costume departments at least dress sets and characters in something "renaissancy". Or is this like those Renaissance fairs where anything goes? In Sweden we have medieval festivals and markets, where everything from Viking age to late renaissance goes, many people can for example not afford typical shoes to go with costumes, so they wear modern shoes, but it's just for fun. This is supposedly TV with a normal budget and professionals making, buying or hiring props and costumes, so why do they make mistakes that make them look utterly ignorant? I don't get it. It's a lot worse than Merlin.

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I noticed in the episode with Michelangelo and Leonardo that (despite the massive age difference which would make the scene not possible) Michelangelo is depicted wearing flamboyant clothing, in reality this was Leonardo whose inventory from Florence during the time he painted the Mona Lisa lists mainly rose and purple clothes, tights etc and some clothes for his pupil and possible lover Salai belonging to the notorious Cesare Borgia (make of this what you will.)

Also from what I remember the painting of the Battle of Anghiari was shown in this as being painted by Michelangelo when in fact it was Leonardo and it was a fresco in the town hall, not a small painting.

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