For the past three years...


For the past three years, the following scenario has occurred: A quirky indie movie comes out and receives critical acclaim. I see it, and am bewildered at how anyone could think it's a good movie...cutout characters, cheap plot devices, cringe-worthy melodrama, and tired indie conventions. The movie is praised for how "natural" it is, and for its originality (which REALLY confuses me). Critics say that they're about relationships and characterization, but I opine that people turn to that defense when the plot is too thin to defend. After all, for all the talking and hugging and emoting, it's all plot driven.

The movies I'm talking about are The Kids Are All Right, The Descendants, and Your Sister's Sister. Tell me I'm not the only one who feels this way.

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I loved Kids Are All Right...it was my favorite film of that year. Haven't seen Descendents yet, although I taped it on my DVR. I usually think Clooney movies are vastly overrated, but I can't talk about this one until I've seen it. I thought Your Sister's Sister was one of the worst movies of this year. And Mark Duplass (sp?) is completely unlikeable.

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Everyone likes different types of films. You listed some of my favorite films from the last two years, but I am the type of person who fell asleep during the long action scene in the Avengers. If you know that you do not like these melodrama films (esp. mumblecore from Duplass) than why see it? Some critics may like this film, but it is still the hegemonic blockbusters like The Life of Pi and Lincoln that are receiving high acclaim this award season.

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If I may ask, what did you like about it? I try to like all kinds of movies (different genres, countries, budget, etc.), and there are several movies with tone similar to the movies I mentioned that I like--City Island, Jeff Who Lives At Home, and Young Adult, for example. I just also think that this is a genre that gets a lot of leeway from the critics. I found very little to admire in the three films I originally mentioned, but critics seem to heap on praise no matter what.

And I was also very bored during the Avengers climax. I really find that I don't often prefer one genre over another, but it puzzles me why critics seem to love these small indie dramadies, whether they're good or not.

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I love a good character study, but sometimes I have problems with indies too. Mostly, my issue is that most indie directors don't know how to point a camera, or edit a film. I find myself watching (for the hundredth time) a still, wide shot of an outdoor location (cue the melancholy guitar and/or piano) while the main character walks from one side of the frame... all the way over to the other side of the frame. This I'm left to assume is character development. It makes me crazy. The Kids are All Right and The Descendents are a step above that sort of indie film making, though Your Sister's Sister could comfortably sit in that category.

I didn't really like Kids or Sister, but both of them have their merits. The actors in these two movies are all top notch. I went into them with such high expectations because I adore the casts of both movies, and there were plenty of well-acted scenes for me to watch. But both movies stumbled... hard for me during their climax and resolution. I didn't buy the ending of either one.

Now, The Descendents, I loved! It was all in the presentation for me. It was about a detached man who had to reconnect with the people (and places) in his life in order to make two very important decisions. And reconnecting with his daughters and his island, invited back into his life all of the funny, tragic, and ultimately messy, emotions this guy wasn't dealing with. What I loved about it was how the tone of the movie went on a similar journey with the character. I loved that some of the comedy was incidental and seemed to come at the audience sideways, while some of it was as blatant and as obvious as a pratfall. The movie swung from comedy to tragedy, and absurdity to aching sincerity, very easily, and I loved every minute of it.

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I have to say that's the best defense of The Descendants I've seen on IMDb. Most people say something along the lines of "Go back to Transformers," which fails to convince me. But as much as I appreciate your points, I couldn't help but be distracted by the cliches (particularly Clooney staring off into the distance thoughtfully while he's deciding if he should sell the land), corny lines, soap opera situations, and, especially, cut-out and unbelievable characters.

And I, too, have a problem with that shot where a character simply walks from the left to the right. There is a shot in the movie Nowhere Boy (which I absolutely recommend) which plays on the cliche: the main character, John Lennon, walks from the right to the left, emphasizing the idea that he doesn't know where he's going in life. But yes, most directors who try this technique fail spectacularly at conveying anything human.

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You critizise the budget when that's a surplus. Like Carnage, 4 actors in a room, a plot is created with very few characters. And this plot, like Carnage, begins with a simple idea and evolves to a bigger problem driven by sinergic events.

The acting is superb and the naturality of the filming and characters interactions make it a well done movie, probably one of the best dramas of the year overpast only in great scale by Oslo 31st, August and maybe De rouille et d'os but I haven't seen that one yet

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I never criticized the budget. That would be silly.

And the difference between this movie and Carnage/Oslo August 31st (two great movies) is that in the latter two, the plot depended on the characters. In fact, not a whole lot happened in terms of story, in either of them, but what DID happen served to reveal the characters' tendencies and personalities. In Your Sister's Sister, it's ALL about plot. The characters don't seem to determine the story; the story seems to determine the characters. The characters simply aren't very interesting, so Lynn Shelton resorts to introducing different reveals and actions that seem forced and overdone. Carnage and Oslo showed restraint and an organic story--Your Sister's Sister does the opposite.

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I couldn't disagree more......I believe the acting was very natural/organic and the wealth of human stories is unknown to us; why couldn't this have been a true story in someone's family history.

I've only, today, watched this film and enjoyed every single minute of it; the quality of this film is further proven by the approximate budget ($125,000) and the actual gross ($1,573,712 as at 17th August 2012) i.e. word of mouth spreads like wildfire :D

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Haha, I hear you. I experience the same thing. But I think it's only because I watch a lot of indies, so I'm bound to hit on some overrated ones.

I have to disagree about The Kids Are All Right, I LOVE that movie. I agree about The Descendants though, I was underwhelmed. I actually liked Your Sister's Sister, probably because I had low expectations for it after watching Drinking Buddies (which is one of my 'overrated' ones), so I was pleasantly surprised. Also Safety Not Guaranteed - it was good, but it's overhyped. But hey, it's always like that. Personal preference and critical acclaim do not always align.


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