For example there was 100 million dollars. And arnie and team took 10 million. When police found this 90 million dolars what they asked cartel where was the missing 10 million dollars? or why police thought that arnie and his team stole the money? maybe someone from cartel managed to escape and grabed some money?
shareGot another one for you... Arnie blew up the whole stack of cash. So who knows how much money was there in the first place.
shareThey said in the movie that the FBI were running a separate investigation and had a rough idea how much money was at the safehouse.
Once the DEA launched an investigation into the missing $10m it wouldn't be too far fetched that this info was leaked to the cartel.
Yeah, but how did they know how much was missing if the entire stack was blown up?
"World needs bad men. We keep the other bad men from the door."
Well that is a question i was thinking while watching the movie.
Forensics maybe.
It's a massive plot hole in the movie. Even IMDB has it in their goofs as a plot hole. There is honestly no way they could have known how much money was there and how much was missing because the money got blown up.
shareThat bugged the heck outta me too.
They could know via an informant that there was 100 million there, but there's no way they could know how much they took.
Unless the person that stole the money in the sewers reported it as an anonymous tip.
That's the only thing I can think of.
Yeah it's a massive plot hole. All they needed to do was not have Arnie blow up the money and bam problem solved.
Well since we find out at the end who took the money, it's very unlikely they would have called in a tip on themselves.
But Arnie (aka Breacher) stole the money from the sewer and he certainly would not have reported it missing, nor would/did any other members of the team.
shareThe bigger question is why they would check forensically how much money there was after it was blown up. If they wanted to take custody over the money why not do so, count it and then destroy it.
shareI could be wrong but when watching the movie i got the impression they were not under orders to blow up the money. I think they wanted to recover the money but the team blew it up.
Having said that everything i have posted here is just me trying to make sense of a story with plot holes so big you could sail an oil tanker through them.
Many things still don't make sense to me, like why the Black guy & woman killed the assassins and framed them for the murders of people they were sent to kill anyway, why didn't they just let the cartel assassins kill them.
I thought that too but why would they blow up the money with a shell from Breacher's own gun and the cutting tool.
The story really hangs together with crazy glue and tape.
The story really hangs together with crazy glue and tape.Seriously...the understatement of the year! It's fun reading all the speculation; cartel, Lizzy, Lizzy and Sugar, Breacher, when based on what you see, you just can't really tell. share
Fist they collected all the unburnt, partially burnt notes and ash, then counted all the notes, then carefully separated every single dust and other particles from ash, then they weighed it. Then they burnt a 100 dollar bill to find the weight of ash it produces, then they divided the total weight of ash collected from the scene with the weight of ash of one bill. Then they added this amount to the unburnt and partially burnt notes and found 10 million dollars were missing..
They also employed some Voodoo guy from central Africa to help them in estimating. Easy peasy.
My job is to watch stupid movies and complain about them on IMDBshare
You forgot the part about how they are able to tell the ash from a burn $20 note from the ash of everything else in that room... you know, like corpses, clothing, etc.
You cannot calculate what you think they can calculate Nemo. It might work in a lab, where you know the amount of oxygen, and heat expanded. But the data from the lab (like you said, burn it in a lab and compare), vs in a basement full of contaminants, is not going to be the same.
Sure, the science to do it is there, but it's not exact enough to deduce 10mil is missing from a giant half-burnt pile of cash, in a basement.
"Once the DEA launched an investigation into the missing $10m it wouldn't be too far fetched that this info was leaked to the cartel."
Except, as it turns out, the cartel was never really involved. Remember the ending?
The cartel were involved, just a week earlier, they showed the hired assassins with tattoos wrapped in chicken-wire.
Comfort the disturbed and disturb the comfortable
The cartel was framed and those assassins were just a red herring for the investigation. The cartel was never involved, except without them knowing of course.
It was only Lizzy and Sugar coming after the team and it was Breacher, who stole the money. The cartel assassins were just killed so Lizzy and Sugar could frame them. So no, the cartel didn't know about the stolen money. And in a sense, why the f- would they even care about the 10 million when it would have been lost to them anyways? Stolen or seized... same *beep* different package.
That is exactly right. Arnie blew up the big stack of cash so how
would anyone know exactly how much is missing. It would be one pile
of cinders and burnt money.
Why did they even blow up the money in the first place?
shareUmmm...did any of you watch the movie? SPOILER it was the chick the whole time. The cartel never knew
shareI did watch it yeah, and i seen the part where the Cartel sent the guatemalan assassins who killed the Navy Seal guy. Before they themselves were killed and framed for some of the other murders.
So the Cartel did indeed know money was stolen.
no...the red head and terrance howard hired them and then killed them once they killed the navy seal guy. Sam Worthington made a comment to how that guy was the toughest one, and if they can kill him, then he himself has no chance. so maybe the red head knew she couldnt handle the navy seal guy and hired the mercenaries because than also she could frame them and so everyone would think it was the cartel. You also have to remember that the mercs were not cartel, just a team the cartel was known for using. So no, the cartel never knew...
shareAgreed! The cartel never knew. People should pay more attention to the story. :-)
shareIf as you say the cartel never knew then who sent the ex-special forces assassins and why?
It probably doesn't make sense that they actually knew, but within the framework of the story of course the cartel knew.
No, the cartel never knew. It's pretty obvious they didn't, read the comments above.
shareThe Cartel knew because the last scene in the movie actually took place after
they were suspended.
Arnold gave the 10 mil to the cop for info then killed the guys, then came back and later on the rest of the movie takes place.
The cartel found out that arnold gave the 10 mil to the cop and they figured he stole it when the bust occurred which he did.
This however does not explain how the dea knew that $ was stolen or how much, as they kept asking where is the money, and they would know he gave the $ to the cop if they found out that way.
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Arnold gave the 10 mil to the cop for info then killed the guys, then came back and later on the rest of the movie takes place.
That's how I saw it as well.
shareinteresting theory but no actual proof to say that is true...besides how would he have time to go to mexico and investigate when the dea was all over him? I mean I guess it is physically possible, but unless you can think of something solid in the story that suggests this than Im gonna have to call poo on this one.
shareThe Cartel knew because the last scene in the movie actually took place after
they were suspended.
Arnold gave the 10 mil to the cop for info then killed the guys, then came back and later on the rest of the movie takes place.
The cartel found out that arnold gave the 10 mil to the cop and they figured he stole it when the bust occurred which he did.
This however does not explain how the dea knew that $ was stolen or how much, as they kept asking where is the money, and they would know he gave the $ to the cop if they found out that way.
Before I start I have to state that this movie was cut to hell. It was cut from almost 3 hours long down to an hour and 40 minutes. And originally it was supposed to be an action/mystery thriller but was cut to make it an action shoot em up type film. and because of this a lot of stuff in the movie doesn't make sense.
With that being said, I don't think the Cartel ever knew about the stolen $10 million. It was meant to be the dope fiend girl and the black guy killing everybody to try to find out which one of them stole the money. They used the whole guise of the cartel coming to get revenge to cover themselves. But because the way the movie was cut that got lost. Just give me a minute to explain.
The first two guys that were killed they found thumb prints at the scene that belonged to the cartel hit squad, this is revealed to us later. When the cartel hitmen are found at the bottom of the lake they noticed that their thumbs had been cut off, that should have clued everybody in that these guys were set up. That is when Breacher realized that these guys weren't after them.
The whole scene when Tripod gets killed I feel was really a victim of how they edited the movie. I think the dope fiend girl and the guy left the hitman's body out there to be found to further throw suspicion to the cartel. I also believe that the whole sequence with the cartel guys attacking Tripod and killing him was meant to be Breacher guessing what happened and telling the cop. But because of how the movie was cut they cut out the scenes that set that up, but left in that scene because they couldn't throw away a scene like that if they wanted to make an action shoot'em up. And it is a shame because the way that scene is in the movie, it makes no sense with how the movie turns out.
But as I said up top, the whole thing was supposed to be an action/mystery thriller where the dope fiend girl and guy set up the cartel hit men and are killing members of the team to find out who stole the money. Breacher realizes it was them when they find the bodies with no thumbs and learns that thumb prints were found at the first two murder scenes. The whole cartel angle was just a classic mystery movie red herring.
I always say the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence.
--- Gin Rummy
I think the dope fiend girl and the guy left the hitman's body out there to be found to further throw suspicion to the cartel. I also believe that the whole sequence with the cartel guys attacking Tripod and killing him was meant to be Breacher guessing what happened and telling the cop. But because of how the movie was cut they cut out the scenes that set that up, but left in that scene because they couldn't throw away a scene like that if they wanted to make an action shoot'em up.
He wasn't talking about the bodies in the water, he meant the body in the woods that was supposedly killed by a trap was left to be found. Of course the others weren't meant to be found.
shareBefore I start I have to state that this movie was cut to hell. It was cut from almost 3 hours long down to an hour and 40 minutes.
Before I start I have to state that this movie was cut to hell. It was cut from almost 3 hours long down to an hour and 40 minutes. And originally it was supposed to be an action/mystery thriller but was cut to make it an action shoot em up type film. and because of this a lot of stuff in the movie doesn't make sense.
With that being said, I don't think the Cartel ever knew about the stolen $10 million. It was meant to be the dope fiend girl and the black guy killing everybody to try to find out which one of them stole the money. They used the whole guise of the cartel coming to get revenge to cover themselves. But because the way the movie was cut that got lost. Just give me a minute to explain.
The first two guys that were killed they found thumb prints at the scene that belonged to the cartel hit squad, this is revealed to us later. When the cartel hitmen are found at the bottom of the lake they noticed that their thumbs had been cut off, that should have clued everybody in that these guys were set up. That is when Breacher realized that these guys weren't after them.
The whole scene when Tripod gets killed I feel was really a victim of how they edited the movie. I think the dope fiend girl and the guy left the hitman's body out there to be found to further throw suspicion to the cartel. I also believe that the whole sequence with the cartel guys attacking Tripod and killing him was meant to be Breacher guessing what happened and telling the cop. But because of how the movie was cut they cut out the scenes that set that up, but left in that scene because they couldn't throw away a scene like that if they wanted to make an action shoot'em up. And it is a shame because the way that scene is in the movie, it makes no sense with how the movie turns out.
But as I said up top, the whole thing was supposed to be an action/mystery thriller where the dope fiend girl and guy set up the cartel hit men and are killing members of the team to find out who stole the money. Breacher realizes it was them when they find the bodies with no thumbs and learns that thumb prints were found at the first two murder scenes. The whole cartel angle was just a classic mystery movie red herring.
This bothered me a lot too. The only sense i can make of it is that the FBI was monitoring the cartel as well (admitted in movie) and they knew exactly how much was in the pile.
The DEA team led by Arnie, if i recall, counted how much was in the pile (or estimated) before blowing it up. Perhaps in their reports they listed how much money was in the pile before blowing it up and the DEA execs saw that they reported a $10M shortfall from their estimate. Still a stretch but the only thing i can think of that might work.
not bad at all...makes sense once more y dont haters just admit that they couldn't handle the atmosphere??? bunch of marvel sissies
Trolls dont have an opinion....just an urge to compensate their frustration about themselves!!!
FBI must have found that rope hanging inside the toilet n leaked that info to the cartel ;)
shareHow would anyone have found out about that missing amount from the blown-to-pieces pile? Thats what makes no sense in the film.Absolutely no way Arnie's superiors would know how much was missing. You'd think the writers wouldn't be that stupid as to overlook such an obvious blunder in the story. Effing idiots. Don't they watch this crap before they release it? share
SPOILERS AHEAD
Well... It's rather simple. Got to watch closely... But basically, Breacher took the money from the get go.
He lost it when his family was murdered by the cartel.
At 1:37, you see him pay off a cop with a LOT of money... like several millions in Mexico to find out who killed his family. He snapped, and used his team to steal the money to pay off brides.
Lizzy "used" Sugar to wipe the team one by one for revenge for taking the money (or so she thought), and we all know she was a drug addict from the beginning and was a bit messed up.
Breacher leaked the information to the FBI... That's the only reason they knew. He did it to break the trust in the team. He wanted the team to distrust each other so that he could use the money to find out who killed his family.
He finally avenges his family at the end of the movie, dying in the process, but he does not care, because he basically lost it, and just wanted to live for vengeance.
And the cartel was NEVER involved... Lizzy and Sugar used it to misdirect the team and the police as they were killing the team without suspicion. That's why the three guys who "supposedly" killed one of the DEA agent, were already dead a week ago. So, when they "supposedly" attacked the house to kill Tripod, Lizzy actually killed Tripod and made it look like the Cartel did it. Same with Neck and Pyro... Trying to blame the Cartel.
Some interesting theories so who sent the cartel hit team assassins and why?
In your opinion of course.
No one ever did. Cartel was never involved.
It was all made to look like the cartel was involved to take the attention away. Remember that the three dudes were dished out and died a week before the attack. Any of those guys could easily kill them with their skills. Likely Izzy and her boyfriend just like they made it look like it was the cartel that killed the other team members... Basically two separate agendas at play. One was theft of money for revenge, while the other one was revenge for what Lizzy thought was betrayal by her team.
Right first of all its been a few months since i watched this movie so my memory is a little foggy of the details.
Right so i could believe the ex-special forces assassins were nothing to do with the cartel but who hired them then?
They were hired by someone to kill the team after the money was destroyed/stolen as they killed the big guy ex-navy seal member of the team at his cabin.
It wasn't the black guy and the red head who hired them because hiring assassins to kill people you want killed then killing those assassins yourself makes no sense.
It could have been a coincidence. Those DEA guys were killing bad guys like it was going out of style. Could have been a complete remote revenge. And Breacher took advantage of the situation to take them out and blame them for the hit...
You might be right i don't know, from what i remember it showed the guys attacking the and killing the navy seal and i don't remember the movie intimating that this was anything else other than a cartel/or someone else hit.
It would be a massive coincidence if it was totally unrelated for the cartel money in some way.
I might have to rewatch this movie, the only thing putting me off is the plot seemed all over the place first time around. I have heard there was a lot cut from the film so this could explain that. Wouldn't mind seeing the full cut to see if it works batter that way.