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Am I'm the only one who doen't like it?


I see everybody has positive view on this eries, the rating is high, but for me it's not interesting.

I see they did a good job in showing 20 century, but the main action has 0 interest for me. I liked small activities but I can't get the main theme. I was interested in it few series, but it is so blurry that I have lost interest in it and the all series.

The gitler collecting tapes to watch at home and made much hype of this tapes, although even if somebody watch it- nothing will change.


Did I miss smth?

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Well, I would say a big part of what elevates it are the subplots involving Smith, Tagomi, and Kido. It would be easy to portray these characters as cartoonishly evil. Instead, they are much more subtle and the show does a great job of showing their motivations and reasoning, so that, even if we still disagree with them, we understand why they do what they do.

I'm kind of confused about your remarks about the newsreels. We see at least part of the effect of the newsreels -- they inspire people (e.g., Juliana and Frank) to realize that they world could be different and to take actions to make a difference. We don't know yet why Hitler collects the newsreels, but a reasonable assumption at this point is that he studies them for insights on maintaining/expanding his power. We'll presumably learn more about his reasons for collecting the newsreels in the next season.

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Hitler had a well documented fascination in the occult and the supernatural. "The Raiders of the Lost Ark" is based on that idea.

The films (books) are surreal and of deep interest to him. He was a believer in speculative fiction which also explains in his strong belief that there was an ultimate super weapon and his willingness to though huge chunks of money at bizzare ideas like dropping bombs from space. Or supernatural weapons like telekinesis.

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The films are more than speculative fiction; the events in them are real.

Question is: Hitler lost, so how did he win? The reels are more than a curiosity.

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It's an ok series. Definitely has some big flaws. Like was said, the german and japanese storylines were good. The resistance storylines and two main characters are awful.

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Well said! I couldn't really connect to any of 3 main characters, I kind of watch them from a distance.

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Yup, you are totally missing it.

... but not everyone has to like the same kind of tea. I like it because of the characterization of historical figures, the sci-fi time travel element, the butterfly effect, the pervasive military cultures, and the results of the imposition of inhumane systems on what should have been the free world.

The struggle within that framework is fascinating.

... then again, I am a child of the post war period and the series illustrates many things that I have thought about.

So interesting no matter how the fictional events conclude.

cheers

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I hated it. I was excited for an interesting (if tired and well-worn) concept based on another PKD book.

What I got was a real mess. The show is embarrassingly bad.

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Embarrassingly bad? No. No it's not actually. Your reaction should be embarrassing to you. The show is fine and it's a breathe of fresh air. It ain't B-grande and it ain't cheesy. It's quite good. It must suck for you, because you're missing out. :D

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(A) I'm not sure how something that is expressly an alternate history can be guilty of "historical whitewashing"; (B) in any event, on the show we've seen (i) Kempeitai agents kill unarmed suspects without provocation, (ii) Kempeitai agents torture people for information, (iii) Kempeitai agents knowingly threaten innocent relatives of an interrogation subject with death purely for leverage and follow through on the threat to kill them, and (iv) a series of mass graves filled with victims of the Kempeitai or other Japanese authorities. Thus, while the Japanese occupation authorities aren't being portrayed quite as negatively as the Nazi ones, they hardly are getting off easy on the show.

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Unless it shows Japanese people eating white babies for breakfast, escadamausgaby
will complain that they are being portrayed too favorably. Possibly, even then.

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Nah, I'd be OK with it then because it would be realistic enough.

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while the Japanese occupation authorities aren't being portrayed quite as negatively as the Nazi ones


That's what I meant. There is plenty of evidence and records showing that the Japanese treated their POWs much more inhumanely than the Nazis did. From that follows that their rule would have been much more inhuman than the Nazi one.

Also, while the Nazi leadership was outright evil and racist, the normal German soldiers and personnell were not fuelled and driven by a racial superiority complex like the brainwashed Japanese ones who didn't even consider non-Japanese to be human.

Historically, Japan has been given a free pass for most of its crimes (out of political reasons), and the book and this drama are an extension of this idea. It's inexcusable that Amazon would greenlight something like this in 2016.

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Thats not exactly true. Germans treated Russian POW's even worse than Jews. Hitler played favorites. The Japanese would have treated everybody poorly, but the Nazis treated different groups very differently.

The Nazis exterminated Russians and Eastern Europeans and didn't do that in France at all. Hitler rather liked Western Europe. At least by comparison.

So if you were under Nazi rule instead of Japanese it would either be much better or much worse depending on which group you belonged to. If you were Jewish or Russian or Eastern European it would be much worse.

There is also less than a 0% chance that Japan and Germany wouldn't fight each other and would trust each other enough to split the world.

This series sounds interesting though i'll have to watch it. I wasn't excited because i read the book, and there wasn't really much story other than the broad idea (which was admittedly cool and spawned tons of imitators). It was more like a drawn out short story.

I don't particularly think WW2 was something that could have gone either way. Hitler made insane choices and doomed the whole thing to failure before it started. There is simply no path to victory for a Nazi Germany led by Hitler. He can't beat Russia, its simply too big and America is going to have Nuclear Weapons by 1945. The absolute best case scenario for Nazi Germany is a stalemate against Russia and Berlin gets nuked by America in 1945.

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I don't particularly think WW2 was something that could have gone either way. Hitler made insane choices and doomed the whole thing to failure before it started. There is simply no path to victory for a Nazi Germany led by Hitler. He can't beat Russia, its simply too big and America is going to have Nuclear Weapons by 1945. The absolute best case scenario for Nazi Germany is a stalemate against Russia and Berlin gets nuked by America in 1945.


I agree that in real life there is no realistic way the Axis could have "won" WWII once the war had begun, but please keep in mind for purposes of the show that the timeline almost certainly begins diverging from ours in early 1933 (presuming that FDR was assassinated under the same circumstances as in the book) or even before.

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Yes, of course. I like time travel movies too and i think they're also impossible. I really liked this show, i just think it couldn't happen. Its still fun to think about.

The biggest problem with the Nazis winning WW2 is that the vast majority of Germany's nuclear physicists were Jewish. They just couldn't make nuclear weapons before America with all their Jewish scientists helping the Americans. The Nazis single handedly prevented Germany from getting the bomb.

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when you don't understand the relative portrayals of the nazis & Japanese.

1. Most importantly, it seems obvious that, as I wrote in another thread, the choice of this story & the heavy-handed portrayal of nearly everyone (not just Germans) involved with the nazis is due to the underlying reason for making this series in 2015 in the first place ... namely to propagandize how terrible nazis were/are just before the PCretins began running around calling their opponents "nazis" before the 2016 elections.

2. Don't underestimate the ability of these writers to layer PCretinism all over the screenplay & use that to "forget" how bad the Japanese were
a) when they had a "divine" emperor ruling them
b) before the shock of being nuked, losing the war & having their homeland filled with American GIs turned them about 180 degrees.
It would be totally un-PC to ignore that the Japanese changed (better to rewrite history than to be un-PCretin) & besides, what are you going to do ... call Trump or Cruz a "Jap"?

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I'm righty there with you. I wanted to like this but it is undeniably dull. The production design is handsome and glum - but so what? The story is murky and not compelling. I have an awful feeling there is an element of alternate reality time travel going here - and that precious conceit is proving too trying for my patience. We are not likely to continue viewing in our home.

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This show is simply a joke!

I watched the first two episodes when it first came on and was appalled from the first minute.

Why?? BECAUSE:
1-- The "theme song," a sinister version of "The Sound of Music"'s "Edelweiss," betrays the ignorance of those who conceived this dreck. You see, "Edelweiss" (and "S of M") was composed and written by the American JEWISH team of Rogers & Hammerstein. who would have been incinerated YEARS before this misbegotten crud is set. So, "Edelweiss" would not exist in the program's time frame.

2-- In the first minutes of the first segment, "Brown Shirts" are accosting folk on the street. Well, folks, "Brown Shirts" (the SA) were outlawed by Hitler & Co. in the early 1930s (ever hear of the "Night of the Long Knives?"--look it up!) so they would NOT have been present in 1950s America.

3-- The first two idiocies were enough to banish this nonsense from my TV forever. If this little care has been taken to assure "accuracy" then anyone with any knowledge of the history of WWII, etc., will want to waste little time on it.

Too bad... It was an interesting ides, but...

Just had to chime in. Hope no one is upset.

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Not upset, simply bemused.

Why would inconsistencies between the world of the show and ours be a problem? The entire point of the show is that, in the world we are viewing, developments proceeded in a different fashion--sufficiently different to allow the Nazis to win the war. The book on which this show is based reveals that the differences go back at least to 1933, when an assassination attempt vs Roosevelt, unsuccessful in our world, leaves him dead. Apparently, another difference was the continuation of the SA.

As for the song, theme songs are often outside the world of the show. For example, the music in Boardwalk Empires which was part of the story was all period music, but Scorsese chose a hard rock song for the show's theme, one that he felt conveyed a certain mood fitting that of the show.

In the same fashion, the creators of this show chose this arrangement of "Edelweiss" to set a mood with the current audience--the people at whom this show is aimed. I would bet that the majority of theme songs for all shows/movies set in periods prior to the one in which they were made are not from that time. Does Turn, the show about Revolutionary War spies, have a theme from the 18th century? No! It's rather silly to become upset because a theme song is not from the period portrayed.

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