the only thing that angers me about the scene's exclusion is that they deprived us of more Charles McKay as Ascanio Sforza, the most undervalued and underused member of the show's vast ensemble.
I liked McKay as Ascanio so much that I couldn't help being disappoined to learn that he wouldn't return for the third series - even if in history there was in fact not that much left for Ascanio to do: he was being hold in the French prison for years and freed only after Pope Alexander's death, in order that he could travel to Rome and vote for George d'Amboise at the next conclave. Btw I thought Peter Sullivan on "The Borgias" was excellent as well; there must be something in all Ascanios I generally like!
-I think the scene with Lucrezia in the crowd is her watching Bishop Eroli, governor of Spoleto, suffering and holding the letter summoning her to appear before the Pope to announce her appointment.
A very good guess: Lucrezia and all the people around her are looking upward, indeed, so that must be the execution of Eroli!
Normanni's appearance in Season 3 is so disappointing, she seems just like another prostitute and not the mother of Della Rovere's only daughter, which should have been mentioned!
I cannot agree more on this; della Rovere and Normanni bed scene looks random and weirdly disconnected from any S3 plot lines. And for what I know, Sara Rivero didn't even participate in S3 shooting, so my guess is that the bed scene was actually shot for S2 and later thrown into the middle of S3 with the only purpose: to show audience that della Rovere is in fact bisexual and thereby to build a sort of base for the future "della Rovere might be Cesare's true father" twist.
-I think it's definitely Vitelli the one who beats Machiavelli, I seem to remember one scene from the Season 3 making-of with Vitelli attacking Machiavelli and getting restrained by Cesare at the last minute.
Yeah and on the show Vitelli said more than once that he considers Machiavelli and the other members of the Signoria personally responsible for the death of his brother Paolo; so he wouldn't hesitate a moment to knock the spirit out of the chancellor of the Florentine Republic, surely. Or even more probable: Cesare himself could encourage Vitelli to hurt Machiavelli a little bit, just to make Niccolo more agreeable to his terms( the historical Cesare liked to frighten the Signoria with the presence of Vitelli and Orsini cousins, the friends of Medici, among his captains, constantly hinting that only his good will would prevent him from changing the government of Florence at any moment).
-Season 3: The "previously on" segments starting each episode offer a few snippets of scenes subsequently deleted, namely Astorre Manfredi in his throne room in Faenza looking menacing and Rodrigo suddenly waking up in his bed searching for Gacet, whom he's just dismissed!
Oh you're so right on these "previously on" parts, I have completely forgotten them! Now I remember watching Ep.5 for the first time and being all like "Wait, wtf, there was totally NO Astorre Manfredi in the previous episode!"
- Another clear example of sloppy editing that could be connected with a deleted scene: in Season 3 Ep.11 Cesare, who tries to stop the papal army from leaving Ostia, remembers all the people he ever killed. At the end of the list, right before "the entire population of Capua", some "Fabrizio Giglioli" is placed - however, the character with the name was never even given the barest mention on the series! Since all the victims are listed in strict chronological order I would suggest that the missing scene in question is probably from Ep.9.
- Also, I believe I found something that might be that night feast at Spoleto I've spoken about: in Valentina D'Agostino's interview for Season 2, at the 1:56 point, there is a short shot of Angela surrounded by the inhabitants of Spoleto while on the right we can see Lucrezia talking to Goffredo. By the way, in the same interview( 2:33 point) Angela is seen beside di Calabria who lies in the bed, which could be another scene left on the cutting room floor:
https://vimeo.com/59733126All in all I feel I should rewatch all "making of" and BTS videos once again...
Of course I'd love so much to watch all these scenes, even if the cutting of most of them was probably justified, especially in S3 which is already heavily overloaded with characters and events almost until the breaking point. It would be also fun to get to know how right we are with our guesses.( Generally speaking, I'm VERY bad at guessing anything on Fontana's shows; I have predicted so disappointingly little in both seasons 2 and 3 of "Borgia", despite having collected all possible set photos and spoilers .)
And I LIKE the idea of a petition for the deleted scenes; the problem is that I don't even know whom to address it in the first place, with a dozen of different production companies which are obviously not that good at reaching agreement on anything: firstly they couldn't decide for months whether the show would be picked up for a second season, then they were not sure how many seasons they wanted at all etc. Besides, right now it's possibly not the best moment to start such a petition: I'm not sure if the Italian fans of the show, for example, would actively sign it 'cause they are actually still asking for Season 2&3 to be finally released on the discs in Italian. The German and Austrian audiences, on the other hand, are still waiting for the airing of Season 3 in their countries...
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dmyriounis
9 years ago
- Another clear example of sloppy editing that could be connected with a deleted scene: in Season 3 Ep.11 Cesare, who tries to stop the papal army from leaving Ostia, remembers all the people he ever killed. At the end of the list, right before "the entire population of Capua", some "Fabrizio Giglioli" is placed - however, the character with the name was never even given the barest mention on the series!
Yes, I had noticed that too, my friend! To me it sounded more like "Fabrizio Giglione", though I wouldn't know who that could be. At the time I noticed it first, I thought that could be one of Cesare's famous historical victims that had to be mentioned, but I am yet to find anything on it!
- Also, I believe I found something that might be that night feast at Spoleto I've spoken about: in Valentina D'Agostino's interview for Season 2, at the 1:56 point, there is a short shot of Angela surrounded by the inhabitants of Spoleto while on the right we can see Lucrezia talking to Goffredo. By the way, in the same interview( 2:33 point) Angela is seen beside di Calabria who lies in the bed, which could be another scene left on the cutting room floor:
https://vimeo.com/59733126
Wow, great find! Love the outdoors night scenes on the show and unfortunately there weren't enough of them!
And I LIKE the idea of a petition for the deleted scenes; the problem is that I don't even know whom to address it in the first place, with a dozen of different production companies which are obviously not that good at reaching agreement on anything: firstly they couldn't decide for months whether the show would be picked up for a second season, then they were not sure how many seasons they wanted at all etc. Besides, right now it's possibly not the best moment to start such a petition: I'm not sure if the Italian fans of the show, for example, would actively sign it 'cause they are actually still asking for Season 2&3 to be finally released on the discs in Italian. The German and Austrian audiences, on the other hand, are still waiting for the airing of Season 3 in their countries...
Yes, I see what you mean. I think that if we wanted to mount such a campaign we should address it first to the people involved in the production that are on Twitter, such as Michael Daniele Driscoll, Metin Huseyin, Takis Candilis etc! But do you happen to know why the show's so long overdue in all those countries? Germany, in particular, seemed to always get it second and then roll out a nice DVD/Blu-Ray boxset!
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