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Linda Gray's comments about Larry Hagman's last days


I am starting a new thread on this (sub)topic, because it was getting buried in another thread focusing on a slightly different set of issues. This way it will be easier to find and discuss...

Okay, so this is what Linda Gray said, and after I quote her, I will offer my observations:

Then last week I was with him with Patrick Duffy [who played J.R.'s youngest brother, Bobby Ewing, on the series] when we went to visit him in the hospital. Larry being in the hospital wasn't expected: He'd invited his entire family -- daughter, son and five granddaughters -- to spend Thanksgiving in Dallas, where we've been filming the new show for TNT. He probably felt weak and didn't want to fly.

When we went into his room, he looked good and was sitting up in bed, but then he said, "I have two weeks to live." And we were like: "Are you kidding? We have scenes on Monday!" Then we talked about how he'd ordered the new Tesla electric car and said, "You can't die until you drive the Tesla." And he perked up and said, "Yeah, I've got the Tesla coming and the scenes with you." It was like that -- two hours of laughing, giggling and hanging out. We left just beaming, thinking: "This is cool. He's being Larry; he's going to be OK."


I think we can make a few inferences from this, and they will be true inferences whether the actors or Larry himself realized certain things at the time they occurred. First, she says he looked okay sitting up in bed, but sometimes people have a last-minute rally before they die (animals do that too). I am not saying that happened to him, but with whatever meds were in his system, maybe he was doing fine for a few hours and then things obviously worsened quickly after that. He could have still been in a lot of discomfort, trying to focus on the positive and making his friends happy-- he was an actor after all, so he could have been playing a scene for them in that hospital room.

But that is not the point I wanted to make. What I wanted to say was that she admits he was probably too sick to fly home for the Thanksgiving holiday. Doesn't it stand to reason that if a man cannot take a relatively short flight from Texas to California in first-class luxury that he was probably becoming too ill to work? Cidre and most especially the insurance people would have had to start stepping in, even if he lived a few weeks longer and tried to work. He was literally on his deathbed at this point, so to think he can keep working full-time is just not very realistic. In his mind, and in their minds, it might have seemed like a good idea for him to keep working and hope he would fully recover, but they had to have known that his condition was becoming gravely serious.

Another thing here, and I know it's harder for people to see someone decline physically when you are around them daily or at least on a rather frequent basis (because the changes may be too gradual to notice)-- but if you look at him from the end of season 1 to the beginning of season 2 when there was a long gap in filming, it is obvious that he is sick. Even comparing season 1's appearances to the last Dallas TV movie in the 90s and you can see his health is not what it once was. So for people to be ignorant of that fact is baffling. Of course, he couldn't have been completely terminal when he signed on to do the continuation series in 2012, or he wouldn't have been insured by the production company, but they had to have known he had various medical problems (that all has to be disclosed by a physician before contracts are drawn up) and they had to have known that he could not have as heavy a workload as the younger stars.

I am not blaming Cidre for Larry's death (obviously) and I am not really blaming her for the fact that she had to quickly write in J.R.'s death-- but some of her story choices were questionable, and a smart producer would have had a contingency plan in place in the event this were to happen (which it unfortunately did). Even if the show came back for season 4, she should have a plan in place for Bobby's death and Sue Ellen's death-- stars of hit series die sometimes and you have to be ready for the show to go on.

On a comical note, I think it will be very ironic if Patrick Duffy ends up living the longest of all the original cast-- when his character had been killed off then was magically resurrected in a dream scenario. Can you imagine if he lives to 100 and there's another show about the Ewing grandchildren with old Bobby still around...?

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I read Hagman became a vegetarian toward the end of his life. Too little too late. Has anyone else heard that? Does anyone know if Hagman got to drive that Tesla? I really doubt it considering the shape he was in. Anyone know what happened to the Tesla?

Jarrod, I agree you could REALLY tell JR was in awful shape even in season 1 episode 1. A contingency plan should've been made.

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I said this in another thread and was summarily excoriated for it. I agree, Cidre should have had a contingency plan in place because you could tell Larry didn't look good in season one and was noticeably frail in the beginning of season two.

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"Homeland" was forced to do just that with actor James Rebhorn. Larry was frail and looking really bad even in season one. The fact that Cidre went right ahead with the show as if Hagman wasn't sick is plainly stupid. Steven Bochco had to deal with this very thing when actor Michael Conrad died. Conrad played Esterhaus and he was sick through season four and he died. They dealt with his death in season five with the replacement of Robert Prosky as Jabolonsky. Don't act like it hasn't been thought of before. Heck, Conrad even told Bochco to write his swan song.

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Look - I get it. You don't think they handled J.R.'s death well. Fine. I think it was handled better than James Rebhorn's.


See, um. They haven't dealt with it yet because they've got other things going. And Francis Mathison was not a main character like JR was. Again, Cidre knew Hagman was sick. He was very frail during the beginning of season two. That Cidre didn't anticipate that Hagman might not last the season is lazy on her part. It might have taken some time to write him out. She should have taken that time, not done it so slip shod.


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J.R. was very involved in the story line - the series was being shot ON LOCATION in Dallas. They were shooting scenes 48 hours after Hagmen died! What you are suggesting would mean they would have had to stop production. Do you have a clue how costly that would have been? That wasn't going to be approved. Not by TNT or Warner Brothers.

Again - I think you have a very rudimentary grasp of what you're talking about. Which is why you keep repeating "Cidre knew Hagman was sick. Cidre knew Hagman was sick. Cidre knew Hagman was sick. He was very frail during the beginning of season two."


Are you going to refute my comment about Conrad? Shows and films have shut down when actors have died. "The Crow" with Brandon Lee had to shut down on location in North Carolina when Lee was shot accidentally. Same with Vic Morrow on "The Twilight Zone: The Movie." Same with Paul Walker on "Furious 7." They filmed with stand ins when production resumed.

On "Dallas," they had footage they had cut from other episodes. They could have used that or used a stand in like with what happened with Morrow, Lee and Walker. Quit acting like it isn't done. It is and productions can be deferred until a fitting ending can be done.

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Are you kidding me??? Those actors WERE KILLED ON THE SET!!!!! There was MAJOR legal and liability issues. You don't have a clue what the hell you are talking about do you?


No. I'm not kidding you. They still died! And I have a "hell of a clue" what I'm talking about. All three films shut down and waited till they could figure out what would be done. When Rebecca Shaeffer was killed by Robert Bardo, "My Sister Sam" shut down until they could write Shaeffer's character out respectfully. Same was done with "8 Simple Rules" when John Ritter died suddenly. And with both Ritter and Shaeffer they died unexpectantly, yet both shows were able to plan and deal with the deaths of their stars better than Cidre did Hagman who it was known was sick for two years. Cidre is a hack who wouldn't know how to plan a show if she tried. She made the damn Ramos family equitable to the Ewings for crying out loud. Quit acting like it isn't done. It is. Both of the aforementioned shows shut down until the scripts could be readied.

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Great point Prometheus! It definitely could've been handled better but Cidre is a moron. Make that El Morono!

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Listen pal - when there was a shooting death that killed the star of the movie ON THE SET - and a helicopter crash that killed the star ON THE SET - along with illegal minors - the set was shut for a MUCH DIFFERENT REASON. If you can't grasp that, that's not my problem.


Listen palllllll (shaking finger at johnjms like a petulant child) Still haven't addressed the points I made with both Rebecca Shaeffer and John Ritter. Both shows were shut down until the deaths of both could be handled and dealt with. If you can't grasp that, then you definitely don't comprehend that Cynthia Cidre's an idiot who KNEW Hagman wasn't of good health, yet she went ahead and kept shooting with a stupid storyline called "JR's Masterpiece." More like masterflop. I expected something huge and unique for such an iconic character. What did we get? A death in a Mexican flop house. Yeah, that's the way to handle an iconic character.

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Wow Jarrod, what an amazing story! You're very lucky to have seen all those soap stars. So you are saying that they never showed Larry's feet during the taping of Soap Chat? Then everyone could see he only wore athletic shoes!

I have another question that I'll message you.

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Yes Promethues - you're right. Dallas should have shut down production for MONTHS and dealt with the death of Hagman. Because 2 sitcoms - one 30 years ago and the other a dozen years back did the same thing. Oh by the way SMART GUY - neither of those shows were shot ON LOCATION - which would add 10's of thousands if not 100's of thousands of additional costs to a MONTH LONG SHUTDOWN. Idiot.

What's next? More comparisons to a major on set helicopter crash?
More comparisons to L.A. shot ancient sit-coms?
More absurd comparisons like Homeland's James Rebhorn to Larry Hagman?

And you still haven't named ONE show in the history of TV where a main actor allowed a death scene to be shot in that manner.

And all the while you offer no better suggestions. Just that "Cidre was an idiot". The true idiot is you.


And you still haven't found anything to refute what I've said. Doesn't matter if "Dallas" was shot on location. I'm pretty sure those involved would have understood the need for propriety in the death of an iconic star such as Hagman. I'm pretty sure the cast would have understood.

My mentioning "The Crow" and what happened to Brandon Lee shows you're not comprehending what I'm saying. That film was being shot ON LOCATION in North Carolina. The entire production shut down, effectively that night Lee was taken to the hospital. A film incurs higher costs than a television series and Alex Proyas and the studio incurred those costs as they sought a solution to completing the film without Lee. According to Linda Lee Cadwell and Shannon Lee (Brandon's mother and sister) they encouraged Proyas to complete the film with a stut double. Proyas also consulted both Cadwell and Lee on what he could do to best honour Brandon.

Did Cidre consult Hagman's family to see how best to honour Hagman? Nope.

When John Ritter died, the producers of "8 Simple Rules" consulted his widow and children on how they would like to see their husband/father honoured.

Did Cidre consult Hagman's family to see how best to honour Hagman? Nope.

When Rebecca Shaeffer was killed, the producers of "My Sister Sam" consulted Rebecca's family to see how best to honour Rebecca.

Did Cidre consult Hagman's family to see how best to honour Hagman? Nope.

According to what I've read, Cidre wrote season two on the fly. Instead of shutting down as other shows have done, she wrote on the fly. The JR funeral episode had me in tears, but what was supposed to be JR's masterpiece, fell flat and didn't match up to the legend that was JR Ewing. Had Cidre shut down, and taken a month to reorganize the story and thought it out better than she did, I would have bet the emotional impact of JR's loss would have been more profound. Had she too given Josh Henderson the shot at filling that Stetson instead of having John Ross become a caricature, I would also have bet the emotional impact of JR's death would have been more profound. What we got was a slipshod, half-hearted mess.

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Not sure if using a stunt double for Hagman (which you seem to imply) would have been the answer, to keep the character alive until they figured out what to do. In this case, they did have to make a quick decision. They did not have the kind of budget a feature film has, and they had to keep the cameras rolling.

As for writing on the fly-- usually you have to submit an overview so the network knows where you are going in an upcoming season. They need to tentatively approve the kinds of stories that will be shown. Of course, rewrites happen for different reasons.

I think even if Hagman had not died at that time, she was still changing things as she went along. She did this in season 3, too-- that is how she killed Christopher off-- she was getting boxed in, not knowing where to take a lot of the characters. She would either make them evil cartoons (cliches, bad writing) or she would suddenly kill a popular character off. She probably felt that killing J.R. opened new story avenues and that killing Christopher would do the same. It was obvious to me that she didn't have a long-term vision for the show.

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She didn't have much of a short term vision of the show either! LMAO!

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The Masterpiece was the best they could do with the cards that they were dealt. I will salute LH for giving it his all being that he more or less knew he did not have too long to go.

God rest you Larry!!!

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What ever would have been filmed would likely not be able to just be spliced into a moving and filming in progress story.


Makes total sense. You can't really plan in advance for something like that.

Also, it would be up to the network whether to "temporarily" shut down filming - not Cidre. And like you said in another post: it was filmed on location which made it all the more difficult.

IMHO, it was more than passable with how they handled/wrote it on the show - especially under the circumstances. Believe me, I'm no Cidre fan but fair is fair.

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In the summer of 2003, the old SoapNet message boards/website advertised a contest. They had just acquired Dallas and Knots Landing and were starting to rerun all the episodes. I loved those shows, of course, and most of the actors featured on them. In particular, I was a fan of Joan Van Ark who played Valene Ewing.

Maybe because she was on both shows-- or because of scheduling she was available first?-- SoapNet was going to have Joan as the main guest on a special episode of their original series SoapTalk starring Lisa Rinna and Ty Treadway. I was excited about this, and I entered the contest-- where you had to write a one-page essay about why you should be Joan Van Ark's special guest at the studio. I never win contests (you know the old saying) but this time I won, and I was very thrilled about it.

Up to this point, I had never watched SoapTalk before, and I was not familiar with its format, except that it was a Regis and Kathy type show devoted to all things soap opera. The producer who told me I won kept in contact with me a week before the taping, letting me know which studio gate to enter when I arrived on the date of taping (it was filmed at the ABC Prospect Studios in Hollywood). I was really looking forward to it, and of course, to meeting Joan herself. It was like a dream come true. About a day before the taping, I was told that I had been upgraded to V.I.P. status and that they were going to have me appear with Joan on camera for one segment. I was supposed to tell the audience why I loved her work as Val on Dallas and Knots Landing-- very simple, very basic.

The next day on my way to the Prospect Studios for the taping, I was very nervous. I hadn't planned on this becoming something where I would go on camera. I thought I was just going to meet Joan before the taping, sit in the front row and enjoy the show while Lisa and Ty interviewed her and showed clips of her work as Val. In a way, it was designed to promote SoapNet's acquisition of these shows, so people would increase their viewership of SoapNet.

When I got to the studio, I learned that they usually tape three episodes back to back with slight breaks in between. The one with Joan Van Ark was going to tape first, so I would not have to wait. I met the producer, and she was very friendly. I was invited to have coffee or juice and a croissant, and they treated me like a V.I.P. in every sense of the word. It was a classy affair, and it was the beginning of a good little friendship I developed with that producer. I told her my wobbly knees might give out when I met Joan and I wasn't sure if I wouldn't pass out on camera. She laughed, and then she told me that there might be a very special guest going on with Joan during that segment so I may not need to go on camera after all. As the taping began, I learned that the special guest did indeed show up. And it was Ted Shackelford who played Gary Ewing. He came by as a favor to Joan and to help set up the clips they were showing. It turned out to be much better than me as Joe Fan doing that proposed segment with Joan. I still had a blast, and I wound up staying to watch the other two episodes filmed that day.

As I said, this led to a friendship with the producer. She could see I had such a great time and that I loved these primetime soaps from the 80s so much, she invited me back-- again as a V.I.P. She said in two weeks they were going to having Larry Hagman do a special episode of SoapTalk like Joan and Ted had done. I learned that it would be Larry, Patrick, Linda and Charlene. I said yes, count me in. I will come back for that. And I did. I wound up coming back to see over 100 episodes filmed that season of SoapTalk, and it all started with that contest. I really should write a book about that season of SoapTalk, because I managed to meet most of the daytime (and some of the primetime) soap industry on that set. I wasn't always able to be a V.I.P., especially if Lisa's parents showed up (they would bump me back a row or two), but many times I was a V.I.P.

The reason I am mentioning this here, in this thread, is because I was able to glimpse a side of Larry Hagman that the public never saw. He was the 180 degree opposite of J.R. Ewing (except they were both from Texas). When I went back for the Dallas themed episode of SoapTalk, he was in good health. Actually, it's a shame the continuation version of Dallas didn't go into production at that time. None of them were really working then. Linda had just finished an arc on The Bold and the Beautiful, and Patrick had done a TV movie with Shelley Long and was between jobs. Charlene was involved in some movie about child stars, but her career had been in decline. Larry was the Ultimate Pied Piper, leading this group. And you could tell from the stories they told and the way they acted during the commercial breaks, that they all were very close, even when they weren't doing publicity related to Dallas. I was so impressed. I became an even greater fan of Larry's. In fact, I wound up becoming a bigger fan of his than I was of Joan Van Ark's. How's that for irony!

One interesting piece of trivia-- he did not wear cowboy boots. He wore the cowboy hat, of course. That was his prop that he hauled around and put on before the cameras started rolling. But he wore athletic sneakers. So you had him in a cowboy hat and western shirt, then from the waist down it was denim and sneakers. Honest to goodness! There's an episode of the dream season, written by Donna Howard, where he's picking out alligator boots, but when you think about they never really filmed his feet (except in that episode), so he never had to wear the boots all that much, if ever.


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The Dallas reboot, while it was a mess, it was entertaining and the best part is J.R. Ewing at least got a Dallas goodbye. It would have been sad for Hagman to die and for J.R. to be a footnote. It's fitting that Hagman died being J.R. one of the best and most entertaining TV villains ever.

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That was a very moving post Jarrod. Since Larry told the cast he only had 2 weeks to live why did they doubt him?? I don't think he would joke about that!!

Did Larry ever get to drive that Tesla or at least be a passenger?

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