Was this game implying that Cortana was a forerunner AI? Cause if so that is one overstepping of Canon I cannot ignore, I mean Cortana doesn't know what the Halo rings are in CE, and I'm almost positive she was supposed to be an AI created in Halsey's image/personality.
I just wasn't sure if Halsey was using Cortana to store the data or if she found Cortana in that artifact.
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No, that device they gave the doctor in the begining of the campaign. That was cortana. minus the plot holes reach is everything that lighted the fuse of the events of Halo 1 threw 3. The forerunner device she was working on probably helped discover halo. They didn't seem to discover it by random chance.
shareoh okay. I had my whole household watching me play so it was hard to pay attention to some cutscenes.
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Are you talking about the data device Kat got from the scientist's body (Dr. Sorvad) during "Noble Actual" and gave to Halsey at the end of "Sword Base?" Because it's never indicated in any way that Cortana was on that chip. It's more likely that Cortana was studying the Forerunner artifact under Sword base, with Halsey, and the chip from Dr. Sorvad contained notes from parallel research he was doing on the same artifact.
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There was something that confused me too.
I haven't read the books, but in H3, Cortana said she chose the Chief, was that supposed to be just the flood talking to the Chief as here, she picks number six. The Chief just happens to be on the Pillar of Autumn.
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I'll try to answer that as best as I can, you worded some things confusingly though.
If you read the Fall of Reach, you'll see that Cortana was given the option by Dr. Halsey to pick any Spartan II she wanted to be here carrier. She picked Master Chief. This all happened before the first Halo game. Then as you play Halo CE, Keyes tells you to take Cortana and get her off the ship. So basically, she picked Noble Six to be her temporary escort, and she picked Master Chief to be her partner.
I can't remember what scene from Halo 3 you're talking about with the Flood, but they didn't have anything to do with her choice of picking Master Chief.
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The opening intro: "ever wonder why i picked you? I could have had any spartan I wanted. Like the others you were strong and fast and brave, a natural leader. But you had something they didn't: luck. Was I wrong?"
Later it was shown that the Gravemind was mimicking Cortana's voice, as evidenced by a iambic pentameter rhyme when you dig through High Charity to retrieve Cortana.
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I thought Cortana was a human developed AI combined with forerunner knowledge, but I'm guessing it was too much for the AI to 'know' and therefore Cortana made some decisions (destination of the Pillar of Autumn) by feeling.
It also explains why Guilty Spark refers to Chief as a Forerunner - he was actually refering to Cortana, though I seem to remember some plotholes around Keyes daughter.
I thought Cortana was a human developed AI combined with forerunner knowledgeThat's what I got from it too.
I don't think so since he also refers to Miranda Keyes as a Forerunner as well and that only a Forerunner can activate the index on a Halo.
It also explains why Guilty Spark refers to Chief as a Forerunner - he was actually refering to Cortana
Forerunners were humans. The first use of the Halo Array Vs the Flood set humanity back to square one and humans worked themselves back up to where we see them in the Halo series with no knowledge of the prior events or the culture of the Forerunners.
Cortana is a Human developed AI who was created using Dr. Halsey's brain patterns. When we see her in Reach (the game) she has aquired new important information from the discovered Forerunner Tech that was found and it was important to get her Back to Keyes and MC on the Pillar of Autumn. That information gave her a clue and she used it to base her (supposedly random) Slipspace jump that lead to the Halo Insatallation 04. She expected to find what the covenant was looking for but had no idea what it was going to be.
Yes, Cortana was a human-created AI from Dr. Halsey's brain patterns (human as in the current humans, not the Forerunner). This is most notable when Noble Team meets Dr. Halsey at Sword Base, where her attitude to Carter's disobedience/disrespect is just like Cortana's rants to the Chief throughout Halo 1-3.
shareActually the Forerunners weren't humans, but the two are similar which is why humans can use their technology, in the terminals throughout Halo 3 there is an entry detailing the Forerunners discovery of early hummanity. And the monitors refer to humans as 'Reclaimers' because they have the ability to use their technology unlike the Covenant who can't use it.
shareoh really, that's what reclaimer means? That humans can reclaim the equipment as inheritors? I was under the impression that reclaimer referred to the officer tasked with firing the Installations, that they were "reclaiming" the galaxy.
Though this was just my interpretation of the game, never really got into the expanded universe.
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"entry detailing the Forerunners discovery of early hummanity" This is from Halopedia's trivia but in looking at the actual terminal messages I think this is a misunderstanding on the author's part.
Also Halopedia uses the term "more likely" when positing the theory that Forerunners were a different species, but Guilty Spark said specifically "You are the child of my makers. Inheritor of all they left behind. You are Forerunner." If humans are not Forerunner then there is no dramatic point for GS to say this and it is a meaningless throw away line and not a significant plot point.
"You are the child" does not sound like they were just handed the forerunner keys, but are direct descendants of the Forerunners. Your mention of a discovery of early humanity from the terminals led me to read them, all I found in the terminals was...
"Did I tell you? I built a garden.
The earth is so rich. A seed falls
and a tree sprouts or a flower
blooms. There's so much... potential.
We knew this was a special place
because of them, but unless you've
been here, you can't know.
It's [Eden]. "
I have seen all the speculation on ther net but all of them have to ignore GS's final declaration. Bungie made it plain as day with his final words "You are Forerunner." Not just Master Chief (Miranda Keyes was able to fire the ring in Halo 2 and they tried to force Johnson to fire them in Halo3 so all humans are in view).
I'm sorry but all indications are that Eden is the garden where humans began (post halo firing)on Earth. It is where the human race (Forerunners descendants) was re-started thus tying our history with the Forerunner history (Garden of Eden). Of course this would mean (in the Halo universe) that Humans mistook the Forerunner re-population protocols as the creation of the world in place of God.
there are works in the Halo universe that suggest otherwise, Halo Origins shows the Forerunners catalogging several species (including human)to preserve them post halo firing (although granted it is debatable whether or not all of Halo Origins is canon) but there is also a comic showing sentinels building the Ark on earth whilst being obsevered by a human.
"You are the child of my makers. Inheritor of all they left behind. You are Forerunner." don't forget that at the time Guilty Spark became rampant when he made that statement, also the terminal doesn't state that they created humans,'There's so much... potential. We knew this was a special place because of them' this indicates that they found humanity, they could have enabled the humans to use Forerunner tech when they had to reseed life in the galaxy.
I think you are reaching and making suppositions while the game has hinted from the beginning that Forerunners were human. Why drop the hints, then have GS confirm it only to be lied to because he went crazy? The image you were referring to was from a short flash animation web comic that was part of a viral marketing campaign (like I love bees which is not canon). The comic was called "Halo 3: The Cradle of Life". It doesn't indicate that the forerunners weren't human, but that there were still primitive cultures on other planets since the Forerunners use slipspace for interstellar travelling and they traveled all over the galaxy. But if you are right and the Forerunners are not human, than this web comic would be the best evidence for it.
But for the reasons I think it is not so, first lets look at Guilty Spark's comments from Halo (when he wasn't Rampant).
Puzzling. You brought such ineffective weapons to combat the Flood
despite the containment protocols.
(Why is this puzzling? What would he expect a human to bring?)
Technically this installation's pulse has a maximum
effective radius of twenty five thousand light years, but once the others
follow suit, this galaxy will be quite devoid of life, or any least any life
with sufficient biomass to sustain the Flood...But you already knew that, I
mean, how couldn't you?
(Notice he once again expects them to know things only Forerunner would know)
Last time you asked me if it were my choice would I do it. Having had
considerable to time to ponder your query my answer has not changed. There is
no choice. We must activate the ring.
(Last time who asked him? A human? What would humans have to do with the planning of the rings?)
If you are unwilling to help I will simply find another. Still, I
must have the index. Give your construct to me or I will be forced to take her
from you.
(Why so easy to find another? Is it because the Installation is crawling with more reclaimers? How could the Forerunners know Humans would advance enough to activate the rings in the case of a second infection?)
You can't imagine how exciting this is to have a record of all our
lost time. Human history is it? Fascinating.
(Our lost time, he then relables "Human history"?)
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Why the Ark of course!
(Notice he keeps expecting humans to know all about the Array)
All of those hints, then GS confirms it, so why ignore it in favor of a view that is not hinted at anywhere in the games or novels?
Hate responding to myself, but this christmas my son recieved the official Halo Encyclopedia that says the Forerunners were a race of beings that safeguarded life in the galaxy and were not human though were humanoid. Humans existed in a primitive form at the time and were catalogued along with all the remaining non-infected lifeforms in Forerunner controlled space. So it appears you were right on, and humans were chosen as forerunner successors which is why they can work the tech and why Spark calls human Forerunner. It is an inherited mantle.
sharecortana as mentioned before is made from dr halsey but the artifacts by forerunners that have been found by humans cortana has scanned and cataloged and learned. the "random jump" by cortana from reach to halo 1 was not in fact by rather coordinates she had learned from one of these artifacts. then while in halos control room, she learned the vast information about the forerunners and continued to learn about them throughout the series.
shareCortana wasn't developed with any Forerunner tech or knowledge, but she encountered enough of it to become highly proficient. She was studying a Forerunner artifact with Halsey under Sword base on Reach, so that would explain her facility interfacing with the systems on Installation-03 in the first game.
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Don't look for logic in these stupid games. Why would the Forerunners build ring-shaped worlds to house the Flood? They are hardly prisons, or even practical.
I wondered the same thing. Because CE is supposedly immediately after Reach. It makes no sense. I am done with anything Halo anyway.
My interpretation: they weren't prisons, they were research facilities studying the flood embedded within the Installation. The Covenant released some spores or reanimated forms from stasis, which quickly multiplied.
I presumed the ring-world nature of the device was to provide resources for the Installation's crew - growing food, natural atmosphere processing by the plants, etc.
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If you watch Halo Legends, the first two vignettes explain what the Forerunners were and what happened to them (read: they weren't human). Also the new book, "Crypstum" or something like that, is supposedly about the Forerunners. I haven't read it yet. After Reach demolished the series continuity in the name of making a badass game, I gave up on the books.
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