I couldnt help but think Kate Mara's character was kind of a bitch. You mean to tell me if a person you went to highschool became a super famous musician, you would never listen to one of their songs? He wrote the damn song about her, and she hardly remembered him, but yet he was still hung up on her. I dont know who the bigger douche is.
shareShe's a bitch because she never heard his song before?
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Yeah it was implied in the movie that they sorta had a "thing" in highschool, yet she barely seemed to care that he went on to become a famous musician, let alone never even listened to not even one of his songs? Sure he might of been a nerd in school, but it seems like she shafted him again in life after school...
shareI didn't get the feeling that they had ever been a thing. It seemed to me that he liked her from a distance, and she never knew about it. They may have been casual friends. Seemed totally reasonable to me that he would have slipped from her mind years later.
shareFirst of all, I think it was pretty clear she didn't know he was famous. She knew he was a musician, but didn't know just how famous he was. Additionally, she's a bitch because she didn't seek out his song? WTF kind of sh!t rationale is that?
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I thought it was implied that they sort of had a "thing" when she spoke of that moment in the parking lot. She obviously remembered him, but was too busy listening to "talk radio" all the time.....I love how everyone wants to defend her character when all and all the movie wasnt that great. I thought she was "kind" of a bitch, so what? I just didnt think it was believable that if someone from your highschool became a famous musician, you wouldnt be "sort of" inclined to check out their music? Even if you hardly knew them.
shareJesus Christ....
She never heard the guy's song, what's the big f-cking deal? She's a bitch because she never heard his song? In what moronic, junior high, bubble world do you live in that that is an acceptable line of thinking for forming an opinion????
That had some minor encounter in HS that never turned into anything. How hard is that go grasp?
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So calling me a moron for my opinion is not junior high? You need to get over the fact that not everyone will agree with you.
shareI'm calling you a moron because your logic f-cking stinks.
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And you're real mature. A real sopisticated aficionado. Brilliant. Thank you for enlightening my day with your superior remarks, because according to you no one is allowed to have an opinion.
shareAnd you're real mature. A real sopisticated aficionado. Brilliant.
Thank you for enlightening my day with your superior remarks, because according to you no one is allowed to have an opinion.
Im so glad we can agree that we think eachothers opinions are stupid, case closed. Have a nice day.
shareI think we figured out who the bigger douche is. Rastaruca40
shareI agree that you'd think she would have at least listened to his music once or twice. The other thing I find unbelievable is if he was best friends with all these guys and he had a thing for or with her how would none of his friends know who she was.
shareOMG! not knowing a song is being a b!tch, i must know every song, especially from people i know...i dont wanna be labeled as a b!tch
shareAre you slow?
They made it clear that they never had a "thing?" They implied maybe that they kissed in the parking lot but for the most part her character felt extremely left out from the group. Hence she wasn't in any pictures. She was an outcast. Why would you keep track of a group of people who you believed never knew you existed. I know I don't.
Also what if she really liked him and in order to distance herself she didn't listen to his music. Like if I had a huge crush in highschool on a guy I never got to be with and they became famous, I'd avoid their CD too, to save some heart break. Her not listening to his song, doesn't mean anything.
But at least you watched at least "one" show...my point exactly. I found it unbelievable that she wasnt at least bit curious that he became famous...let alone heard at least "one" of his songs...
shareI have to agree with OP. This movie is set in current day where everyone uses google, facebook and iTunes. It's not even slightly realistic that this girl wouldn't have heard this song that was such a big hit that everyone else at the reunion was coming up and praising him and wanting autographs.
for her not to have heard the song of a guy she had a giant crush on in high school she would have had to gone out of her way not to listen to it and this makes her a little bit of a bitch.
And you're wrong.
First off even if she did go out of her way to not listen to it that doesn't make her a "bitch."
What's with men shooting off that word so easily. Pick a better synonym, for real.
Also not everyone uses google. Maybe in your group of friends but believe it or not, not everyone is the same. I don't listen to radio because it sucks. I don't have a facebook or internet at home, in fact I'm hardly on unless it's to review something or watch a movie. What I'm saying is there are people who literally turn on the radio and listen to "talk shows" or don't surround themselves with the everyday media stream. So it's not unrealistic that she hadn't heard a hit song. I'm sure there are tons of songs considered "hits" that you haven't heard.
That may be true in RL- but the character in this film did not know he was famous!
shareShe didn't know he was famous! She was the shy girl in school that no one noticed... She would never have believed he would still like her after all this time. She had no confidence!
shareJust to be clear ...
1) They never had a thing in high school as someone mentioned. They had a small moment in the parking lot, but the moment passed. It passed because they were both too shy, scared, introverted (whatever, pick an adjective) to do anything about it, not to mention she was already involved with someone else.
2) That right there is what the whole song is about, that he missed his chance and hasn't been able to forget her ever since. Because of this missed opportunity, she had no idea he felt that way about her, let alone enough to write an entire song about her.
3) They never said he was a super famous musician, they just said he has that one hit song that everyone knows. It's clear he is currently successful enough to have fans and be a steady working musician, but I never got the impression he was supposed to be super famous. Big difference.
4) She listens to talk radio, which tells me she probably isn't up on the latest music trends, and probably doesn't care. Pop culture, it's not a big deal to some people, therefor not surprising that his song could slip under her radar, or if she did hear it in passing, simply didn't make the connection.
5) With the lack of pictures of her on the walls, plus the one pic she was in standing by herself in the background, plus the one dude having no recollection of who she was, it's clear that she mostly kept to herself, and probably doesn't stay up on what everyone from school is doing nowadays.
6) I'm 15 years out of high school personally, and even at 10 years I couldn't tell you what 90% of my class was up to, certainly not in detail. Even with a facebook account and many of them on my list. It isn't personal, more like out of sight out of mind, and can't be bothered to keep tabs.
7) Why do any of them gotta be a bigger douche? Or a bitch for that matter? They seemed to get along just fine despite some minor obstacles, and she seemed touched, not to mention surprised, when she finally did hear the song.
1) They never had a thing in high school.
it was spelled out clearly they both had a big crush on each other and pretty much the only reason they both went to the reunion was in the hope of seeing the other person.
2) They never said he was a super famous musician.
He was famous enough to be on tour selling out shows all around the country and for everyonen at the reunion to be super impressed with his success and for people to be wanting autographs and signitures from him, that doesn't happen to a guy who is playing to 4 people in a pub on a Friday night.
4) She listens to talk radio
she obviously has facebook or keeps in contact with people from school or she wouldn't know or care there was a reunion and so the top of a guy you went to school with you had a crush on becoming a music star never coming up in conversation or you never googling him or adding him on facebook is unrealistic for a movie set in current times.
6) I'm 15 years out of high school personally, and even at 10 years I couldn't
tell you what 90% of my class was up to, certainly not in detail.
if you didn't care was 90% of your class was up to you simply wouldn't show up at a reunion, the fact this girl went shows she cares. also you may not know what 90% of your former classmates are up to, but it's human nature to be curious about a former boyfriend/girlfriend or even crush and you would be aware of their post highschool status and activities.
7) Why do any of them gotta be a bigger douche? Or a bitch for that matter?
you will have to ask they writers why they made her a bitch, they either chose to make the movie unrealistic or chose for that character to be a bit of a bitch.
1) They spelled out very clearly that HE had a big crush on her but never made a real move, and that she noticed him once or twice but she had a boyfriend, some dude who moved to Texas eventually.
3) One successful song on the radio and "super famous musician" is not the same thing. He travels alone, takes cabs, lives out of suitcases, and does 28 shows in 30 days. Working musicians who got a top 40 hit or whatever do that grind on the path to becoming "super famous musicians" but no matter, all that is besides the point. The point is, I guess, that just because a musician finds a little success on the charts, doesn't automatically make them a household name.
4) My original point still stands. Your reply to it about facebook, that's an entirely different thing, but I'll reply anyway... Maybe she did google him. Maybe she even did it as recently as last year before his big song was a hit, didn't find anything, out of sight out of mind, so she moved on. Should she continue google him like a stalker everyday for 10 years? Maybe she didn't care enough to google him at all. Maybe she doesn't have facebook, or maybe she does but only signs in like once a month to delete spam. Maybe her current boyfriend is paranoid about her having facebook because old crushes keep trying to add her on there, so she deactivated her account, or made her privacy settings really strict. Maybe they don't have any mutual friends to where his name would come up in conversation. She did say she knew he was a musician, but that she did not know to what extent. I do agree the movies huge lack of acknowledging social media is questionable, but then again everyone uses social media differently, and believe it or not, some don't use it at all.
6) How do you know I wouldn't go to my high school reunion? I probably would, just out of curiosity, see some familiar faces I haven't seen in years, free food, etc. Still don't know what everyone I was in school with is up to today, and with a few exceptions, still don't care. You're right about human nature and curiosity, to an extent, but truthfully I can't even remember the last names of half the girls I had crushes on. Of the remaining half, half of them I'm well over my crush by now, out of sight out of mind, and the last quarter I might have a couple of them on facebook to where I might even check in once in a while and rub one out. I still can't find my first 2 girlfriends on there, one of 'em doesn't have facebook, and the other moved a long time ago and has a very common last name, so the search function gives me like 1000+ results.
7) She was : Introverted, definitely, Standoffish, sure, Defensive, a little bit, Unavailable, yup, Bitch, nope.
I am just saying it's not realistic. It's 2013 and if this movie is set in current time 90% of people who are going to their 10 year reunion would be on facebook, it would be impossible for someone you went to high school with to acheive that level of success without you hearing about it through the grapevine.
if you are to defend this then it just shows how out of touch you are with technology and reality.
Improbable not impossible
I feel like the point is flying right over your head dude with each message I read. What does FB have to do with anything.
She said she heard of him and knew he was a musician. She even said she might have heard his song. She just didn't think she did, and that's not unrealistic.
AND YOU'RE WRONG.
1. Crush is the main word. It didn't go anywhere. If you didn't get that from the song than maybe you should listen to it again. Also she never said she hadn't heard it. She said she knew he was a musician and may have heard it in passing and could possibly recognize it if she heard it again.
2. Never said it was all around the country. I just remember hearing the number of shows he had toured 28 shows in 30 days which believe it or not, you don't have to be super famous to achieve. And of course people would come up and ask for autographs and pictures from him. It didn't matter if he was a super star or not he was still someone from their town who made it into the spotlight. It still doesn't give any clear view on how big he is. There are artists who get a single on the radio, tour, and still aren't considered big.
4. Man have you ever heard of periods or punctuation? When did she ever say she didn't have a facebook. All she said is that she doesn't really listen to radio and instead listens to talk shows which isn't that uncommon. I do the same thing or I don't listen at all cus frankly most of the radio is *beep* these days. So this whole point is really super irrelevant.
6. This whole point makes no sense. 1. Who are you to say what it means? She lived in the area. She went. *beep* if I was bored on a Friday night and my school was having a reunion I'd go too for something to do. It really means absolutely nothing. 2. I'm guessing you haven't been out of HS for too long. Believe it or not people generally don't care/creep/stalk/ or wonder majorly about people they vaguely dated or in this case "liked from afar," especially ten years later.
7. Seriously pick another word. If you think she is a bitch than you must get super offended super easily. It's not unrealistic just because it's not something you wouldn't do. Maybe she avoided him/ the song because it brought back sad/bad memories. Maybe she heard it and didn't remember. Maybe she doesn't listen to whats considered pop culture music. Seriously if you think that there aren't people out there who haven't heard popular songs, you must be living in a comfortable bubble.
I think she went because she felt a bit sad at how she hadn't fitted in all those years ago and kind of wished she could fit in. Also to see him.
I think she's just a very shy person with low self esteem! Certainly not a bitch.
good points. she even said she might have heard it before and might recognize it if she heard it again
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The writer told you she wasn't a bitch and you just don't want to accept it. Do you have logic on your side? Of course you do. But this is a light story where you were being asked to suspend belief...I chose to do it and was rewarded with the song being sung to her. It was a sweet moment in a cute story that was elevated by a fun cast. I just saw this movie on cable thought it was by the numbers fun...
shareJHC what a tempest in a teapot. It's a movie and not a documentary. For some dramatic tension you have to suspend reality for a bit or manipulate the story just so to get the desired result. She has to not have known how famous he was and not have heard the song. Then when he sings that song, for it to slowly dawn on her that it was meant for her and be moved by it. If it had been written that she knew all about him and the song, then there would have been no point to their encounter or their reunion not so bittersweet. I also thought it was quite clear that they never got together before and that he had crush on her, but because she was with someone else, never revealed it. Also that she was an outsider who hated everything about her high school years and couldn't wait to get out.
shareShe actually said she forgot all about those yellow shoes when she was looking at the photo.
The one distinctive line in that whole song she forgot all about. So even if she did hear the song.. she wouldn't of even known. Which, she said she might of heard in passing.
I don't think she was a bitch at all, in fact, she seemed more insecure and a loner in high school and probably didn't think anyone would ever write a song about her. Much less a guy who seemed to be more on the popular side, who's friends were the two people who won prom king and queen.
It did seem strange when he sang about her wearing yellow shoes she realized the song was about her but she never twigged before.
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