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Why Are Some People So Irrational About This?


There wasn't too much about detractors in this film, and I was glad for that. Some comments that were made, though, seem to suggest that doctors are holding people down and forcing them to drink the Nembutal or Seconal. Obviously, nothing could be further from the truth.

This type of thinking was also shown in the recent movie about Jack Kevorkian. One protestor was holding a sign saying something like "Why Do You Want To Kill Me?"

Why can't people understand that this is VOLUNTARY and up to each individual??

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I don't have an answer for you as I don't get it, either. One point that the film made that I wish more people, especially doctors, would understand is that hiding behind "do no harm" is futile. Sometimes, doing harm is allowing a terminally ill and suffering individual to stay live and wither away in agony for days on end. Why don't they get that?

I watched my terminally ill great aunt wither away in a hospital bed, barely conscious from all the morphine, for two weeks before she finally succumbed to kidney failure. Just how were those two weeks of pain and agony worth it for her? Like the lady's husband from Washington State in the documentary, the person who died in the hospital bed in no way resembled the person of life.

"When is it MY turn to see the sail boat?!" ~Snoogins

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I dont know y some people r so irrational about this. I guess u have 2 b in da situation 2 understand. My mom had breast cancer in 2003 when she was 48 and she had surgery and chemo and all da rest of it. The cancer was gone and in 2009 it came back like a thief in the night. It first came back like a flu where her voice sounded like she had a sore throat which wouldn't go away and then a lost of appetite. She also had alot of fluid build up which when drained came back in no time. she ran down like ice cream. in the matter of months she went from looking like my mom to my great great grandmother which was so painful to watch. we tried almost every thing possible but there just was no chance of her beating it. Its real frustrating to deal with. It has to be a parent or your child that has it in your family for you to actually understand it. I really love this film. If i had seen this film like a year ago i would have understand my moms illness much better. For the last three weeks of her life she couldn't help her self, she had to do everything in bed and she was eating next to nothing. the day before she died she didn't even know her self. I spoke to her early the morning at the hospital and when i went back in the afternoon she didn't know anyone. It was so painful to watch. I could go on and on but all in all its a great film and i hope to see it again although it makes me cry almost all the way through. can someone tell me how to get a copy ?

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TO Needle:

I'm sure that HBO will put it out on DVD soon. They have done this with most, if not all, of their documentaries.

Since it just premiered two days ago, I imagine there will be a short wait.

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sorry to hear about your mom Needles :-(

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"Why can't people understand that this is VOLUNTARY and up to each individual??"

A: Religion.

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rnlee999

if you believe the answer is that simple, then you need to educate yourself more. Nothing about this issue is that black and whie

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What else then? Other than religion, what other argument they put forward. If the person who wants to die drink the medicine with his/her own hands with his/her own conscious, after several physicians confirmed that he/she has only several months/weeks to live, and will suffer until the end, what argument, other than a stupid religious belief, can be said against it?

People are irrational about this BECAUSE RELIGION IS IRRATIONAL!!!!!!!!!!!!

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I know this topic is pretty old, but what you wrote raises an interesting question and I'd like to provide another perspective I've heard and experienced first-hand.

A lot of the most bitter arguments against physician-assisted suicide are centered on the idea that if it becomes legal, some corporations and individuals will use it to coerce or force certain people into suicide. For instance, as a disabled person, I know many disabled people who genuinely fear that if it's legalized they'll have to deal with pressure from doctors, insurance companies, and even family and friends to end their lives.

In America and the UK, there's a pervasive attitude that disabled people don't have much, if any, quality of life and that even the most successful and happy among us are still suffering horribly and deserve to be pitied. Go on any youtube video or news article or blog of a person who is disabled or suffered a terrible accident and read the comments. I guarantee at least half of them will be saying something along the lines of "They're so brave!!! I could never live like that!" or "If that happened to me, I'd rather be dead", with many a thumbs up to show support.

And this attitude is literally everywhere. From the mother who wishes to put her two down's syndrome children "out of their misery", to the doctors that treat us.

And if you think it's just fear mongering and exaggeration and that that sort of thing wouldn't really happen, just look at what happened to the guy with prostate cancer in this very documentary. The insurance company wouldn't approve his treatments because with his diagnosis it wasn't cost-effective to do so. It doesn't take much imagination to see why disabled people fear they'll deal with the same thing. After all, we're not going to magically become non-disabled; we're not cost effective to keep alive either. And it's not hard to see why the elderly, too, would find it alarming. After all, they're not magically going to get younger and healthier; they're not cost effective to keep alive either. And the list could go on...

This isn't the only counter-argument to physician assisted suicide, but it's one of the most passionate.

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In Oregon, the law states that TWO physicians must agree that the patient has 6 months or less to live in order to prescribe the drugs used in physician-assisted death.

I don't disagree with you that there may be pressure for certain people to end their lives (which is a horrible, horrible thing to do unless the individual has mind up their own mind as such) but I do believe 100% that someone who has less than 6 months to live and has unmanageable pain should have a way out.

For your reference: http://public.health.oregon.gov/ProviderPartnerResources/EvaluationResearch/DeathwithDignityAct/Pages/faqs.aspx

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Sofa Commander, your argument is completely spot on. If I took any offense to the film it was that they didn't show another case like the man with prostate cancer. What you argued has real merit, and I appreciate you sharing it with us (even if I was almost a year late reading it).

"Religion is the opiate of the people" - Karl Marx

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The argument about the slippery slope ending in corporations, relatives, hospitals willy-nilly killing people does not wash. It may be passionate but it is not convincing. The terms of the Death with Dignity Act are that the patient must meet certain criteria for a physician to prescribe the medicine that at some point later the patient CAN opt to take voluntarily. The physician himself is not allowed to give the medicine (yes, it is medicine, a sedative, not poison) to the patient, nor can a corporation, a relative, a hospital decide for the patient or administer the sedative overdose. If a doctor does authorize any pain killer or sedative in a dose that results in patient death, just as before the Death with Dignity Act, and without its use, the doctor, entity, or person doing so can be tried for murder.

As you say, both society and some medical professionals dismiss the disabled, relatives can find them a burden, and their care can be sub-standard due to poor insurance coverage or to a prevailing attitude and stereotype. However, this fact does not change the terms of the Death with Dignity Act. Yes, if a patient is brain dead and in lieu of their having made their wishes know, relatives and hospitals can withhold treatment when there is no hope of recovery. Withholding treatment of taking people off life support in cases in which they are in an irreversible condition only kept (technically) alive by mechanical means--that is not the same as a patient voluntarily, consciously, being prescribed and himself taking a lethal dose of medicine. The patient must prove he/she is rational, that her decision is not influenced by a mental condition, must be terminal, must be suffering, and can not be injected--the counseling process, the legal explanation is all laid out ahead of time and even at the last moment the patient can chose not to take the prescribed medicine. No, the act does not make it legal to kill disabled people or the elderly. The same ethical and legal responsibilities exist, the same oversight of a health professional or hospital's actions are in place, and the same consequences will be faced for illegal murder or negligence as in states without the act and as before the act was legal--

People are resistant and frightened because a) they do not understand the Death with Dignity Act b) hold false ideas about it c) are afraid of their own mortality d) feel it violates their religion. Almost every religion is against it and will refuse church rites and burial and any support to those who use physician assisted suicide.

As to the man with prostrate cancer--his insurance company would not approve his treatment (before publicity about his case) with or without his being eligible for physician assisted suicide. He actually was lucky that his insurance would pay for the medicine had he chosen to use it. A friend of mine is having to put a large outlay of money out of pocket so that she can get her prescription refilled for use when and if she chooses to take it. She is dying of ALS and is suffering. She will most likely die choking or suffocating to death while being completely conscious that this is what is happening to her and feeling the entire process. She will die not matter what. But she is concerned with how. And she is unwilling to endure "locked in syndrome," or much more physical pain than she experiences now. She can not talk. She is in a wheel chair. She can use email but her hands are going so eventually and soon she will not be able to type. She will soon be unable to swallow. She is learning the eye gaze to run computer communication but will lose the ability to focus her eyes. Ultimately she will be able despite being on ventilation to breathe. There is no cure. A feeding tube, even being on a ventilator will not necessarily prolong her life. It is unlikely that the prostrate cancer patient's life was much prolonged by chemotherapy but certainly his suffering was. He had the option if they had not granted an exception to just die "naturally." The insurance company had absolutely no ability to force him to use physician assisted suicide and obviously had no sway over him in the matter.

Addressing social attitudes about disabled people is a passionate and wonderful cause! Addressing their medical needs and improving on their care is a MUST! But that is an entirely different matter than offering disabled and terminal and perfectly mentally competent but suffering patients a choice about how long, how much and just WHAT they must suffer. I am sure others who respond to your concerns will want to spare you some of what they have seen and know. I've said as much as I care to, but they call it the Death with Dignity Act for a reason.

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It seems to me to be that simple. I can't think of any other reason why someone would oppose this, especially since the choice is entirely in the hands of the person suffering.

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TO THE ORIGINAL POSTER :

MOST PEOPLE ARE SHEEP. THEY NEVER THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX AND THEY NEVER QUESTION ANYTHING! IF THEY HERD A RUMOR THEY BELIEVE IT EVEN IF THE RUMOR MAKES ZERO SENCE.

WHY DO YOU THINK THERE IS MILLIONS OF PEOPLE IN THE USA THINK THAT OBAMA WANTS TO SET UP DEATH PANELS.

PEOPLE SEEM TO THINK THEY KNOW WHAT HAPPENS TO US WHEN WE DIE BUT THE TRUTH IS NOBODY KNOWS.

PEOPLES BLIND FAITH IN RELIGION IS FINE WITH ME THAT IS THERE RIGHT BUT PLEASE DO NOT PASS LAWS AGAINST ME BASED ON YOUR RELIGION.

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Question, why do the non-believers wish to rush death? If death really isa black hole why you in such a hurry?

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I think you need to grasp the idea of intolerable pain and dismal quality of life.

Nobody's in a hurry to get to "a black hole" as you put it, that's not the point.

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Maybe non-believers aren't afraid of black holes.

Or, the First Law of Thermodynamics.

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"It's better not to know so much about what things mean." David Lynch

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Question, why do the non-believers wish to rush death? If death really isa black hole why you in such a hurry?


Clearly, you have never witnessed someone with a terminal illness, struggle day in and day out waiting on death. Maybe then you'd have some grasp of what is like to live with daily pain and emotional agony of watching not only your body deteriorate and fail but also watched the pained, helpless expressions on the faces of people you love as the sit by and watch.

Maybe then, you'll have a better understanding of what its like to sit by waiting for death which for some, cannot come soon enough.

And just maybe a "black hole" is better.

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Caps lock abuse should be punished by death. Death by papercuts too. And lemon juice.

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Maybe because you live in a country with a private healthcare system where companies make massive profits from people who are vulnerable and sick. A country where being unfortunate and having an accident could bankrupt you and your family. A country where insurance companies decide what treatment they will let you have and all that matters is money, money, money. I'd certainly think twice if I lived in america whether i would want to start a process of getting the state and profiteering companies in the business of suicide.

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I think you should sort out your entire healthcare system from the bottom to-the-top before you start having moral quandries about suicide lol. Maybe when all your citizens have medical insurance you can get weepy about not being able to get a doctor help you kill yourself, until then i would have thought this issue is the least of your worries

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What an incredibly callous and judgmental view.

Of course this issue isn't the least of the worries for people who are actually suffering and those close to them.

I'm astounded that anyone who values improved healthcare can at the same time be so entirely without empathy and understanding of unendurable suffering simply because they aren't experiencing it themselves.

Only thing I'm weeping for is your utter lack of humanity.

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I am ill myself and can't think as i once did, so i hope i make sense here .. i've watched my sister, mother,uncle and brother-in-law all have a long slow horrible death, filled with misery,pain and fear .. i still have nightmares about my sister staring into my eyes and pleading with me to help her .. to end her suffering .. all i could do was pray and tell her that she will see god soon .. she was suffering horribly and i now know how rediculous it was to just keep telling her that .. she was beyond the help of all pain meds .. it was to the point that i seriously was considering trying to smother her with a pillow .. i just had no idea what to do .. i'd never heard of seconal or nembutal back them and didn't know anything about drugs .. if i had i would have absolutely used them on her, even though there would be jail time ( here assisted suicide is a class H felony - probably 6 years) .. now i have a serious illness that makes my life pretty much a living hell .. if i can't move to a place where i can get help ending my life,then i'll just use a gun a suppose .. no doctor will give me nembutal .. everytime i see people protesting against assisted suicide i want them to have to experience what i went through with my sister with someone they love .. i've grown out of believing in the fairy tales and nursery rhymes that religion really is .. i truly belive that religion makes people hard and cruel .. they don't care that i'm suffering and frightened .. i can't explain why they would want anyone to suffer so horribly when they really don't have to ..

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I'll pray for your peace and release, Bluwater55.

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The awful answer is that most people are stupid. They also like to stick their noses into things which are none of their concern whatsoever.

I thought this was a truly beautiful and moving film, and it gave me hope that a law like the one in Oregon could be passed in my state as well.

Cody was a brave, lovely person, and although we cannot see her at the very end of the film, the sound of her voice--so light, sweet, eased at last--made me happy for her, that she wouldn't be suffering any longer. It had such an impact on me.

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Is is how my father chose to die.


He had been betting colon cancer for six years. H was tired of chemo, and didn't want to go through the slow process of dying from the cancer.

I watched my grandmother die of the same cancer when I was 11. I was living with her in eastern Russia. She had no medical help, besides basic painkillers.

I don't know if these people have seen suffering in death, as I have. I am a huge advocate of having power and control of your body and your life.

If you see a lot of typos, I probably wrote this^ on my iPad

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