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A seriously misunderstood film, in my opinion.


I was looking for a short film to watch tonight (I was short on time) so I browsed Roger Ebert's four star films on Amazon Prime and saw the Spectacular Now with a run time of only 90 minutes. "What the hell," I thought. "It must be at least decent if Ebert loved it - even if it does have Woodley. I proceeded to watch the film (curse Prime for it's terrible video quality) and was engrossed during the entire 90 minutes, despite a few minor flaws.

I immediately checked the rating on IMDb and was taken-back by the (moderately) low score of 7.2. I read some of the boards and was shocked at the amount of disgust and dislike. I can wholeheartedly say that after reading some of the opinions of those on these boards, I understand where some of them are coming from. The movie is quite disgusting at times(especially with the excessive drinking, which is my only complaint), but let me explain myself.

I am 17 years old. Yes, my age makes a difference here - not because I'm "incapable" of loving "true" film or because I'm only supposed to like specific movies catered to my particular demographic (ie Transformers, the Avengers) but because I am the age of the characters in this film. I can relate to them in a clearer way than, say, a 40 year old. Now, I'm not trying to say that this film can only be enjoyed by teens - quite the opposite - in fact, I can think of a lot of reasons why teens wouldn't like this movie. It's (as someone before me as said) "painfully real," aside from the, once again, excessive drinking. It can be hard to accept something like this, I think. No, the reason some people love this film and others hate it is because of personal experience. For me personally, I'm living this right now. For others, maybe they lived it already.

Without needing to be said (I'll say it anyway), I have no experience with life. I shouldn't really have a say in such things. However, I do have similar experiences to that of Sutter, the protagonist of the story. No, I don't mean similar experiences in the way he drinks or has sex. The way he feels, the inner conflicts, the confusion and the sadness and pressure is what I can relate to - as can others.

"Are you happy," Sutter asks his teacher, a full grown man - an adult. The teacher looks at him thoughtfully, taking his words to mind.

The Spectacular Now is a seemingly simple movie about a teen who wants to make his ex-girlfriend jealous and in the process he gets drunk. That's what a lot of people see this movie as, and they're not wrong - that is, essentially, the film. However, I think there are numerous undertones and messages present throughout that suggest stronger themes. Themes like life, being alone, the meaning of happiness, what true emotion is and isn't, facing reality, society, and most importantly, facing ourselves. Sutter is a complex person. He's got it all figured out - or so it seems that way. He lies to himself and to others, convincing everyone and himself that everything is okay, that he feels fine, that he doesn't care when in fact none of this is true. He isn't okay, he doesn't feel fine, and he does care. As he says at the end (heavily paraphrased), "I was afraid. Afraid of the pressure and the expectations. I didn't want to let myself down so I just hid it all."

This is a powerful statement. Many of us probably don't realize that we may not be happy - truly happy - and just play along with what we think society expects from us. I don't speak for everyone, obviously, but perhaps there are indeed those who feel in a similar way, such as myself. I'm at a point in my life where I'm still figuring things out - in fact I'm just starting. That's really what this movie is about. Acceptance. Happiness. The ability to move on and keep moving forward, to find things worth living for because without them, what is there? Sutter doesn't realize what's important until it's too late, which is unfortunately true for a lot of people in real life.

The thing I really admire about this film is that it doesn't throw all this in our face. If it did, it wouldn't have the same effect because answers in life aren't thrown at us; they're given in code and we don't have the key. We have to sit and think and reflect, which is exactly what this movie had me do during and after watching it.

I honestly didn't expect this film to work. I feel like the only thing it had going for it was Ebert's four star review (speaking of Ebert, I believe this was the last film he ever reviewed. How fitting, and God bless him.) Miles Teller and Shailene Woodley were both absolutely brilliant in this picture. I will admit, Teller didn't always seem like he was a high school senior but Woodley, my god. Was she acting? Her performance was so natural and real. It was pretty amazing.

Overall I guess you can tell I liked the film. I was going to rate it an 9 but after thinking about it more I think it may deserve a 9. The only thing that puts a dent in the movie's brilliance is the amount of drinking and the fact that Sutter can walk around and drive with alcohol in his pocket all the time - not the mention that it rarely affects him in a serious way or that other people, including adults, don't smell it in his breath.

Perhaps this post was a little personal - that's okay. I hope anyone who read it enjoyed it and could appreciate what I'm trying to say. I'm all ears. If you loved the film, tell me why. If you hated it I would honestly love to hear your thoughts as well.


"As long as you don't choose, everything remains possible" - Mr. Nobody
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Hi,

Thanks for the insightful message. This movie moved me deeply. I can completely, minus the booze, relate to Sutter. And I found this a profound film.

I am not your age. I am 32. I was bullied a lot in school starting at very young 4, 5 or 6 years old until I was 19. Then it stopped. Now, because of that, I have a "dysthymic disorder" to cope with, probably for the rest of my life. I cannot accept love and do not believe people who say they love me - to some degree, that is. Just watch or remember Sutter.

Although Sutter is not a carbon copy of me and my dealings, and his pains do not stem from the same source as mine, I could relate. I too would always start something with a girl, thinking she would dump me anyway. Oddly I am a very caring person. I would help people, do volunteer work. But romantically or otherwise I am very destructive to the relationship itself when it comes to people. Thinking friends or romantic involvements would end anyway within a short time span. Even with family I have this notion. Still I am heavily invested in those relationships myself oftentimes.

My best friend, I didn't attend his wedding, just so he would hate me. Later I explained this to him, when he asked why I never showed. He forgave me, and a while later I did the same thing.

A very nice girl, comparable to the lead in this movie (very cute, petite, vulnerable, loving), was once very much in love with me and would do anything for me. Out of this weird notion of protection for her, I hurt her feelings just enough (for no reason), so she would leave me alone and seek love elsewhere. The tragic thing is, I miss her. Why she fell for me, is that I am soft, cuddly, understanding, protective, strong and funny. So I was very much into her, I never really wanted her to leave. But I "knew" that things would end down the line anyway, but then there is maybe marriage and kids to consider, and what then? Then I would have cheated her out of a fresh start with someone good, and our kids from a healthy home.

A few years before this girl, I seriously fell for this other girl. I knew she was into me too. And this girl had it all. A bright, beautiful woman with a lot of friends. For some reason I cheated myself and drove her away. I played this possessive prick who would hang out with other girls within her view. So she became standoffish. I know / think, that if I would have been normal and didn't sabotage our friendship and starting romantic involvement, we would be married now. I sometimes still meet her at parties, she enthusiastically comes to me to say hi, we will talk for 30 minutes, for I so love her company and her laugh and then I will be a prick. Then she will go away, talk to someone else and I will be jealous of the other person.

I am a real hoot, most often people are in stitches because of my jokes. Since I was 18 I became really good in becoming fast friends. I can relate, people like me and my jokes, or so it seems. But when we become close, like really close, be it family, friends or women, I will self destruct.

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Wow. Thank you for sharing your story. As you can probably guess, I haven't figured much out in my life as of yet. I don't have many friends, just a few, and don't have much interest in a girlfriend mostly because I feel the commitment would be too much for me, which is a horrible thing to say. But oh well. I watch movies instead, which again is pretty sad.

Again thanks for sharing. I love how this movie was treated with such realism that people like you or I, despite our age differences, can relate to it in a personal way.

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You're not sad. You sound rather intelligent, and you've got a lot of years ahead of you. You'll be fine. :)

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Thank you for the kind support!

"As long as you don't choose, everything remains possible" - Mr. Nobody
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Hey man, so yeah. I'm actually in the same situation right now and I actually share the same age of Sutter as well, 18.

That being said, I'm nowhere near as popular as he is, especially with girls. Sure, I made connections with a few, had some things, but I never had a girlfriend or even sex. But, like you, I shared a lot with his character, mainly his thoughts and outlook in life. Thinking where my life is heading, that's something I do every day and I believe everyone in our age does.

On a sidenote, that excessive drinking is not that far fetched at all. Especially here where I live, in Austria, alcohol like beer is legal at the age of 16 but it's pretty easy getting harder stuff at a younger age too. Trust me, I've seen 14 year olds getting drunk like that. So I guess it didn't bother me as much. I think it also depends on your surroundings, so maybe that's why you didn't find it that believable (sorry if I'm wrong on that one, please correct me if that's the case).

So yeah, all in all beautiful movie. Great acting all around. Some very nice direction. Some nice underlying themes and messages. Also, a very fair and neutral view on youth and love. Not hollywoodized or overly cliched. 9/10 from me as well. On the same level as "The perks of being a wallflower" in my opinion.

I also highly suggest "The kings of summer" which is my favorite out of the three. Mainly because I could identify myself more with the title character ;)

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The booze was a sign however that everything with him is not okay. He obviously needs it to cope with his life, hence why he is always drinking.

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Some parts of this movie become even more tragic for those of us who are older. Seeing this movie in my forties, I can remember some of the things that went on in my head as a seventeen year old. But what's really hard to watch is that Sutter has something that gives him limitless opportunities, and doesn't see it. His charisma and his ability to connect and influence people are maybe the most valuable skills a person can have, at least as far as a career goes. If he had some kind of mentor or role model that could help him find a direction or interest he wanted to pursue, he might be the next Steve Jobs. When a person has the kind of natural ability like that, they are capable of anything. But he has these barriers in his thinking now that are going to keep him from accomplishing greatness, and he may figure it out later in life, or he might not ever realize it, but he could unlock such potential if he could see it's there. And that's pretty sad, that something special will go unused.

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I think his alcohol problem was well known. The film is mainly from his point of view, so just as he seems to be popular and on control for much of the film when he really isn't, he likewise appears sober and functioning when he's not. There are hints all the way through that it's more obvious than he thinks it is, mainly from Cassidy. (And Marcus who says he's not the joke everyone says he is) Until he
meets his dad, she is the only character who openly says he's drunk. But then she's also the only
character, Sutter included, who
can see what a waste he has
become.

I love this film for its honesty. I'm a bit older than the characters in the film, but can see the cynicism Sutter can. How damaging it can be to fall for someone who is bad for you, how people settle for a life with people they don't even love, how the pressure of the future is absolutely stifling.

SPOILER ALERT That final scene though. I know the book ends completely differently, but I think Woodley's face absolutely makes it. I'm a cynic, so I don't believe they reconcile, and from Aimee's point of view, it's the right thing and she has moved on. But her face in that scene is just fantastic. You know exactly what she's thinking, her face goes through every emotion from being pleased to see him, to angry about what he did, to wanting to dive into his arms...to acceptance. That she's moved on and she has to tell him so. For a five second shot with no words, the emotion in it is outstanding.

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Can I please just thank you for posting one of the most level-headed, intelligent and thoughtful posts I have seen in a long time on these forums?

I couldn't agree with you more on your observations. While I did not so much relate to Sutter while a senior in high school, I am now in college, and here I find myself more and more similar to him.

This film moved me deeply, too. First and foremost, I fell in love with Aimee Finicky. But there was something more, something deeper that drew me to this film not once, but twice now, and I'm sure it will many more times in the future. I couldn't put my finger down on what it was, but I think you nailed it right on the head.

Again, thank you for your observations and sharing with us what you have.

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Wow! Thank you so much for the kind words! I really appreciate it!

Anyway, I'm glad you loved the film as much as I did and was able to appreciate it for what it was without sulking over it's minor problems. I highly recommend the deleted scenes if you haven't already seen them. They actually do address some of the problems and I'm flabbergasted as to why they were cut from the film...

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Agree! 100% for someone who claims they don't have anything figured out, your writing says otherwise.

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@darkKnight


Excellent post,as well as some good insights into the film. I really liked it because it came off as so real---the teen looked like real teens, and everything else. Liked it more than I thought I would,too.

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It is a great film, and to me a film has to be an entry-level great to make 7. I would give it a strong 7 and maybe even an 8.

But I know what you mean - most people are way more liberal than me with their ratings and so it would be nice to see this higher than 7.2 where it is right now.

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