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why would a man with his medical degrees and intellect avoid gluten????

the ONLY people that "need" to avoid gluten are those with celiac disease (legitimately) and moronic ignorant hipsters that get their "science" from bumper stickers

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Because he's nuts. He's got a lot of weird phobias and compulsions.

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Because he's nuts. He's got a lot of weird phobias and compulsions.


LOL - best answer ever

on that note, as a brain expert, i find it very hard to believe that he would avoid meat. according to anthropology, it was the large consumption of meat in our diet that led to our brain evolving so quickly

these are just two of many sources

http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2008/04/eating-meat-led-to-small er-stomachs-bigger-brains/

http://www.npr.org/2010/08/02/128849908/food-for-thought-meat-based-di et-made-us-smarter

if i've said it once, i'll say it again, vegans and vegetarians have smaller brains and are, for some strange reason, interested in de-evolving.


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Non-hominid predators have not exactly benefited from eating meat. Nor, specifically, cannibals.

It is just a statistically relational link, and not a cause-and-effect, of animal diet and brain-size.

It could just as well be some bacteria that hominids acquired that broke down the food into important materials for building the brain.







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Non-hominid predators have not exactly benefited from eating meat

funny, because i'm pretty sure i've read somewhere about non-hominid animals eating other non-hominid animals. seems like there was one or two.....oh well, must have remembered wrong, now if you'll forgive me i'm going to give my dog a bone....

Nor, specifically, cannibals.

the fact that you have to mention cannibals to "prove" your point should give you an idea of how absurdly wrong you are. cannibalism is pretty much universally frowned upon by every culture in the world. the dozen or so examples are outliers that are statistically irrelevant when discussing the diet of humanoids. you might as well mention pica

It is just a statistically relational link, and not a cause-and-effect, of animal diet and brain-size.

i'm going to go out on a limb here, vegan are we? let me guess, you feed your cat tofu too don't you?

It could just as well be some bacteria that hominids acquired that broke down the food into important materials for building the brain.

....um, like...maybe....some bacteria that we acquired from eating....oh, i don't know....MEAT!??!?

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I enjoy this show, but one thing I didn't like about it was that Daniel's phobias seemed more like a mishmash of cliches than something that was thought out thoroughly.

i agree. and as someone that is bi-polar and medicated for decades, i get rather tired of his whole "drugs are bad" "drugs will make me stupid" garbage. there is simply no denying the overwhelming success of the pharmaceutical revolution, esp in treatment of mental health disorders. but hollywood writers would have you believe that we're still giving everyone lithium and shock treatment (to be fair, we totally still do both of those, but it still isn't like what they portray in the movies).

shows like this continue the stigma of those that have mental health issues. shows like this encourage people to not seek treatment or medication, because they should just "tough it out." and people that have sought treatment, are medicated, and are essentially cured the same way a diabetic that takes insulin is are forced to hide in the shadows because hollwyood and the media has made it seem like all of us are just one bad day away from gunning everyone down.

if you want to know about what group it's socially acceptable to bash, it's not the gays or the muslims, it's people with mental health issues. we're either faking it, or just having a bad day because "everyone gets depressed get over it," or they think we'll snap at any minute - AND if we are on medications, shockingly, people actually manage to beleive that the medication makes even more dangerous.

this show had the perfect opportunity to do something good, and instead they went the with tired hollywood cliche of in order to be a genius you must have some sort of tortured soul and difficultly dealing with people, with a dash of medications will make you dumber because the spark of genius is so easily put out

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Those are all good points, though I certainly hope that nobody would base his or her medical decisions on shows like this!

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I agree with much of what you say about this topic; however, I live with a delusional paranoid (along with adjustment disorder with depression/anxiety, PTSD, and a couple other underlying conditions) person who absolutely refuses drug treatment and who fires any therapist who dares mention medications. Her schizophrenic cousin had trouble finding the right combination of meds for years, and his experience still scares her. She also saw her supposedly ADHD nephew fed a ridiculous cocktail of drugs from the time he was four (the poor kid's eyes used to roll in his head), which also made her suspicious of medications. At the same time, we have other friends who have benefited from mental health medications, but their experience does not resonate for my friend. Mental illness remains enormously complicated in so many ways. I'm glad you found meds that help you. Someday, I hope my friend will find some that work for her.

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finding the the right treatment for any disorder can be lengthy (cancer for example). just because something didn't work the first time, that's no excuse for not trying a second or third time. a person's first diet probably won't work either, but one needs to keep trying.

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I'm sighing, too. This show is tirelessly politically correct. Enough already. So long Perception, I'm out.

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Leaky gut syndrome.

Please bring back:
Rush, Flash Forward, Enlightened, Lie to me, Life, Firefly, The 4400 - and Perception!

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Please bring back:
Rush, Flash Forward, Enlightened, Lie to me, Life, Firefly, The 4400 - and Perception!


i'd settle for - flash forward, lie to me, and the 4400.

life - had a pretty good wrapped up ending.

firefly had the movie (and killed too many characters to bring back as a series)

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Because the writers do not have medical degrees and their actual medical knowledge is limited to Dr Phil.

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You are incorrect about gluten. One does not need to test positive for celiac disease in order to have a sensitivity to gluten. I am not a hipster, nor do I take scientific information from bumper stickers. Since the early days of menopause, I've had a hard time digesting gluten, dairy, soy, natural sweeteners (I never touched the poisonous artificial ones), canola oil and a host of other foods/additives. I've been tested, and my doctor found that I have food sensitivities. I've talked to many other women who are experiencing or have completed the menopausal process, and many of them have suffered similar symptoms when they eat such foods (nausea, bloating, bowel issues, joint pain, headaches, rashes, etc.). Our food supply is laden with toxins, so it does not seem surprising so many of us are having negative reactions to many foods.

When I avoid processed foods and foods that include the above items, I immediately lose weight and find my bloating and joint pain clear up. Increasingly, I cannot tolerate any grains. I felt skeptical at first, too, but once I did the elimination program, I felt normal again. Everyone has a different reaction to various foods; there is no one size fits all approach to nutrition. Unfortunately, celebrities who avoid gluten just out of a sense of being in fashion give this practice a bad name.

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Our food supply is laden with toxins

i love that word - toxins. it is very much a hipster word. by all means, what are the names of the "toxins" in our food? and why in the world is the FDA that we spend BILLIONS of dollars a year on allowing these "toxins"????

When I avoid processed foods and foods that include the above items, I immediately lose weight

shocking. and of course that must be the lack of gluten and not the fact that processed foods are higher in calories right? you're losing weight because you're consuming fewer calories - it has nothing to do with the food being processed or containing gluten other than the fact that they have more calories

I cannot tolerate any grains. I felt skeptical at first, too, but once I did the elimination program, I felt normal again.

yes you can. EVERYONE feels better when they reduce their carb intake. carbs absorb four times their weight in water. when you reduce carbs you immediately start shedding water weight and you feel like you have more energy because you're not constantly having your insulin and glycemic levels messed with by carbs

Everyone has a different reaction to various foods; there is no one size fits all approach to nutrition

with the exceptions of allergies, those reactions are in your head. and there is an entire field of science that says you're wrong.

note - i'm not anti carb (though i am in ketosis)

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Shove your hipster label up your ignorant posterior, you smug twit. When I say processed, I don't mean coming in a box. I have always cooked everything from scratch. Instead, I'm referring to canola oil, which the so-called experts keep telling everyone is healthy, when it most certainly is not. Try finding too many things without some canola thrown in. Soybean oil, as well as other forms of soy, are in everything from mayo to gum to toothpaste. Some form of sweetener is in nearly every toothpaste, gum, etc. Many oils known as vegetable oils are way over-processed, often with materials that appear on lists of carcinogens. Most grains are over-processed. Do some research before spouting your nonsense. I have read hundreds of articles written by people on all sides of this issue; I don't just listen to one source. As for the toxins, GMO soy makes many people violently ill. Many otherwise healthy foods have been contaminated by radiation, medical waste, animal waste, etc. Sugar itself is toxic, as is sucralose, etc. Try eating out without encountering many of these allergenic products.

I do not consume fewer calories at all, since I use unsweetened coconut products, as well as plenty of regular and extra-virgin olive oil. I make my own mayo to use with raw veggies or to make chicken/turkey salads. My average day includes about 300 more calories than when I used to have gluten, dairy, etc. More scientists and physicians are starting to realize it's not just calories, but also the types of foods you're eating, based on your own chemistry. Your suppositions are way off base. Clearly, your reading comprehension is faulty, as well as your logic, since I already stated I have food sensitivities, which are just a form of food allergies.

I'm so glad you know what I do better than I could. What a moron! You sound like a tea bagger. How dare you tell me my reactions are in my head when they have been documented by a well-respected doctor? A rash is on one's skin, rather than in one's head. Tell my joints they're not really feeling excruciating pain.

Do you realize most of the studies to which you refer are paid for by the industries involved? Do you realize the FDA is run by industry insiders? How else can you account for so many new drugs almost immediately ending up on the bad drug list? To paraphrase Monty Python: it's people such as you what cause unrest.

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first you said:

When I avoid processed foods and foods that include the above items


and now you're saying:
I have always cooked everything from scratch

one statement contradicts the other. how can you possibly feel better after avoiding the processed foods you now claim you've never eaten?

I'm referring to canola oil

do you have a specific complaint with canola oil? personally, i don't use any oils as they're too high in calories.

I have read hundreds of articles written by people on all sides of this issue

sure you have. let me guess, the articles written by the people you agree with are pure and noble, while the articles written by those you don't agree with were funded by greedy corporations?

GMO soy makes many people violently ill

if that was true why is allowed on the market? tell me something, why do people like you have problems with GMOs? ALL foods/plants grown are GMO as THAT is exactly what farmers do. they cross pollinate/breed plants in order to create better/stronger strains.

why is THAT okay, but if people do the exact same thing in a lab coat it's bad?

one is basic horticulture that has been around for as long as people switched to farming and the other creates frankenfoods - because it's done in a petri dish instead of the dirt?!?!?!

Many otherwise healthy foods have been contaminated by radiation, medical waste, animal waste, etc

and you're blaming who/what for this? how is this relevant to the conversation? and you do realize of course that animal waste would be the primary fertilizer used in organic farming right?

Sugar itself is toxic

oh....i get it...you don't know what toxic means.

I do not consume fewer calories at all, since I use unsweetened coconut products, as well as plenty of regular and extra-virgin olive oil.

if you lose weight (in your mind) solely by exuding gluten, you ARE consuming fewer calories. consuming fewer calories than you burn is the ONLY way you can lose weight. if you manage to prove this wrong, then congrats on your nobel prize for redefining everything we know about thermodynamics.

More scientists and physicians are starting to realize it's not just calories, but also the types of foods you're eating, based on your own chemistry.

WRONG. it's calories in calories out - THE END. everything else has to do with nutrition, insulin levels, and dozens of other things that don't change the fundamental rules of thermodynamics

You sound like a tea bagger.

i'm not, and thank you for engaging in an unfounded ad hominem logical fallacy and for trying to make this about political ideologies

How dare you tell me my reactions are in my head when they have been documented by a well-respected doctor?

let me guess, he's against vaccines as well

Do you realize most of the studies to which you refer are paid for by the industries involved?

LOL - i nailed it. wouldn't the same be said about the organic people? or are you not aware that organic farming is also a billion dollar industry?

Do you realize the FDA is run by industry insiders?

sounds like we should save the tax money and close them down then.


all that being said, i'm more than willing to admit that it's possible that menopause/thyroid issues could change the way your body metabolizes something. but that again would be the exception, and not the rule

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while you're avoiding gluten, your drastically reducing your carb intake. that alone explains your experience.

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while you're avoiding gluten, your drastically reducing your carb intake. that alone explains your experience.

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No, wrong-o. I still have other starchy carbs, such as yams, fresh corn or sprouted corn tortillas, bananas, mangoes, gluten-free breads (sometimes). I also have potatoes 3-4 times a month in sensible portions. I have insulin resistance, so I keep my carb intake pretty steady. Just eliminating gluten did not clear up my symptoms, which also occur when I ingest dairy, soy, canola oil, carrageenan, and any heavily processed or adulterated (containing hormones, etc.) foods. I consume only free-range, organic, grass-fed land proteins and am careful to avoid any mercury-laden fish/shellfish.

The really bizarre thing was I had followed the then-popular high carb/low fat/protein program in grad school and lost 70 pounds. The menopause process clearly altered the way I digested gluten, dairy (especially casein), nightshade veggies, processed foods (I nearly always cook for myself). Some people are born unable to digest a few or many foods because they lack the enzymes to handle them.

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No, wrong-o. I still have other starchy carbs, such as yams, fresh corn or sprouted corn tortillas, bananas, mangoes

this conversation is going nowhere if you don't understand the difference between carbs in vegetables and carbs from grains - one being the number of carbs in the item, dietary fiber being another

I also have potatoes 3-4 times a month in sensible portions

so you have one potato a week, and you're argument is that you consume a lot of carbs?

I consume only free-range, organic, grass-fed land proteins and am careful to avoid any mercury-laden fish/shellfish.

nightshade veggies


i think you shouldn't get your understanding of nutrition from hippies handing out pamphlets at whole foods. one fun fact for you to consider, over a billion dollars worth of organic food sold in the US comes from china. you honestly believe that organic food from china is safer for you than....well...anything grown in the US?

Some people are born unable to digest a few or many foods because they lack the enzymes to handle them.


explain something for me. why is it that these people only seem to live in western "first world" countries? why is it that the only people that seem to have these "sensitivities" have the money and the options to eat anything they like? starving kids in china and africa don't seem to have sensitivities to gluten, heck they don't tend to have food allergies either....let me guess....toxins again?

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gluten is good.


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It seems like anything that tastes good is "unhealthy" these days.

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why would a man with his medical degrees and intellect avoid gluten????

the ONLY people that "need" to avoid gluten are those with celiac disease (legitimately) and moronic ignorant hipsters that get their "science" from bumper stickers


Unless you are a doctor or a medical researcher or a chemist, I don't think you have a sound basis for your statement.

If a person who has not been diagnosed with celiac, who has family members who HAVE been diagnosed, avoids gluten sources (particularly genetically modified wheat products), and begins to feel better and suffer fewer inflammatory responses, why shouldn't he or she continue to avoid it?

I don't think people who avoid gluten enjoy doing so. Think of all those cheeseburgers on toasted buns, and all the wonderfully flavorful, delicious bread products like donuts and croissants and flaky pie crusts such a person gives up. It's so hard.

I've been learning to make gluten-free dishes so my sister can eat with the rest of us at family gatherings. Some things we like, others not so much, but we do it for her. Is the lasagna as great? No, but it's not terrible, either.

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Unless you are a doctor or a medical researcher or a chemist, I don't think you have a sound basis for your statement.

i'm not an astronomer and yet i can quote those that are and say that the world revolves around the sun

If a person who has not been diagnosed with celiac, who has family members who HAVE been diagnosed, avoids gluten sources....

living in fear because of something a relative has is foolish. my brother, my mother, my aunts, and grandmother are allergic to bees, and while it would be prudent to avoid bees until one knows otherwise, there are tests that can determine the truth one way or another - i'm not allergic to bees (and yes, i've been stung many times).

begins to feel better and suffer fewer inflammatory responses, why shouldn't he or she continue to avoid it?

because making your life decisions based on the placebo effect is...once again your name....foolish

I don't think people who avoid gluten enjoy doing so. Think of all those cheeseburgers on toasted buns

LOL. you really don't see what you did there do you? think about all those cheeseburgers that vegans avoid simply because of some choice they've made. people avoid perfectly safe things all the time because they've been tricked into believing something.....FOOLISH. likewise, one of the commentators in this thread now believes that she must avoid nightshade vegetables like tomatoes because they are poisonous. (like gluten, nightshade vegetables are a new fad of foods that need to be avoided)

I've been learning to make gluten-free dishes so my sister can eat with the rest of us at family gatherings...we do it for her.

does your sister actually have celiac disease? or are you just catering to her falling for a new fad diet? if she does have celiac disease, then good for you, you're loving and caring family. HOWEVER, if she does not, then why must you cater to her diet, and she doesn't need to cater to yours?

i ask because i have an uncle that is a militant vegan. when i go to stay at his house, i know that i will be eating vegan for my entire stay there. i do that because it is his house, his rules, and i will respect his beliefs accordingly. however, when he comes to visit me, he insults me at every turn for the non vegan products i have in my house. and do you think he changes his diet for my beliefs? no. not remotely. the truth of the matter is that i'm willing to show far more respect for his beliefs then he is willing to show for mine, and i suspect something similar is happening with your sister and her new found beliefs.





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does your sister actually have celiac disease? or are you just catering to her falling for a new fad diet? if she does have celiac disease, then good for you, you're loving and caring family. HOWEVER, if she does not, then why must you cater to her diet, and she doesn't need to cater to yours?


Yes, she does. After blood tests for antibodies, an endoscopy and colonoscopy to obtain biopsy samples, her gastroenterologist diagnosed her. She is so bad now that even eating something that is technically gluten-free but which was made in a facility that process other foods with gluten makes her sick. In people with Celiac, the gluten proteins damage the lining of the small intestine, breaking off and destroying the hairlike projections that absorb nutrients from food. As a result, she has the side effect of not getting proper nutrition from her food. She suffered migraines and anemia for years before being diagnosed.

Gluten is surprisingly ubiquitous. Wheat products are used in many places you wouldn't think of -- it's in those cans of Campbell's soups we all use to make casseroles; it's in many processed foods. It's also present in many vitamins and prescription pills as part of the filler. That's because it works so well as a filler (glue, if you will) to hold things together. If you ever made homemade paste as a kid for your projects, you mixed flour and water to make it. It's sticky. If you lick the back of an envelope flap, you just ingested gluten. My sister has to have her pharmacy verify that her medications are gluten-free.

Celiac is an immune system disorder, and those tend to run in families. My sister also just was diagnosed with Hashimoto's Disease, where the immune sytem attacks the thyroid gland. She also had a positive titer for scleroderma, another autoimmune disease that hardens skin and connective tissue. People die from that if it gets bad enough.

i ask because i have an uncle that is a militant vegan. when i go to stay at his house, i know that i will be eating vegan for my entire stay there. i do that because it is his house, his rules, and i will respect his beliefs accordingly. however, when he comes to visit me, he insults me at every turn for the non vegan products i have in my house. and do you think he changes his diet for my beliefs? no. not remotely. the truth of the matter is that i'm willing to show far more respect for his beliefs then he is willing to show for mine, and i suspect something similar is happening with your sister and her new found beliefs.


I applaud your behavior toward your uncle; as he "outranks" you in the family, you are right to show respect for him in his home. You are also patient to put up with his insults in your own home -- something we (I say we, as in Southerners), are just brought up to do. We don't contradict our elders, even if we disagree with them. Thank God we don't have to live with them, eh?

You have no foundation for your suspicion regarding my sister. You do not know her, or me. She does not have "new found beliefs." In fact, she was dismissive of her diagnosis at first, because it's not "in your face" like a broken leg or some other malady. Only when she began to get sicker and sicker did she accept that it DID matter if she ate wheat. Or rye. Or triticale. She takes a medicine designed for leprosy patients to help control a pervasive rash (rashes often accompany immune system disorders).

I think it's undisputed that what we eat affects our health. Our diets provide us with the nutrients we need to keep our bodies functioning at an optimum and healthy level. The diets of 100 years ago are not the same today. People eat a lot more processed foods, and lots of sugar and salt. Americans have a high rate of obesity, diabetes, heart disease, and other illnesses compared to a century ago.

Everyone also jokes about psoriasis. It's just a rash, right? My mother had psoriasis so severe that it covered her body from head to toe. Her hair fell out. Her eyelashes and eyebrows fell out. Her fingernails and toenails fell out/off. Her skin swelled. Her internal body temperature dropped, because her skin (the largest organ we have) could not function well enough to maintain a proper body temperature. She was dying. Massive doses of steroids, taking a medication that made her sensitive to sunlight, and then spending time in a "light box" (called PUVA treatments) wearing black goggles, saved her life -- albeit she obviously developed skin cancers in several places.

I have dealt with many who espouse a cavalier attitude toward diseases like Celiac, who dismiss it without knowing the facts because they're sure someone is just following a fad.

It's very impolite, and shows a lack of due care and concern for others.

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I have dealt with many who espouse a cavalier attitude toward diseases like Celiac, who dismiss it without knowing the facts because they're sure someone is just following a fad.

you have to understand that from our perspective, statistically speaking, we're right to dismiss it. when only about 1% of the population actually does have celiac, that means that most are just jumping on the gluten free band wagon.

case in point, there is a hiker on one of my groups who always talks about being gluten free. about two weeks ago he started talking about how he was going in to get the work done to prove that he had gluten sensitives. now that the results are in, he's still gluten free, but we don't have to listen to him talk about it as the research said he was "normal" and had zero problems with processing gluten - he of curse doesn't believe the results.

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you have to understand that from our perspective, statistically speaking, we're right to dismiss it. when only about 1% of the population actually does have celiac, that means that most are just jumping on the gluten free band wagon.

case in point, there is a hiker on one of my groups who always talks about being gluten free. about two weeks ago he started talking about how he was going in to get the work done to prove that he had gluten sensitives. now that the results are in, he's still gluten free, but we don't have to listen to him talk about it as the research said he was "normal" and had zero problems with processing gluten - he of curse doesn't believe the results.


Do you really think that because it is estimated that 1% of the population has Celiac disease, it gives you license to dismiss it with scorn and disbelief, and a disregard for others? One percent of the earth's population is more than 71 million people. You have no license to judge whether or not their illnesses (or diet preferences, or reasons for those diet preferences) have merit.

Your attitude is presumptuous and arrogant. Perhaps that would change should you ever become the victim of a "statistically insignificant" illness.

Case in point: the percentage of dwarfism in the world is much lower than the percentage of people with Celiac. By your standards, you and your "collective WE (assuming you mean the rest of the population)" are right to dismiss it. Maybe all those really short people just jumped on the bandwagon? Do you get tired of hearing them ask tall people to reach things down for them? Or do you tell them to get over it and get taller?

Dwarfism is easy to see. Celiac is not. Why you should care what people choose to eat is a mystery. Why you should care WHY people choose their diets is an even bigger mystery. If you don't like being around people who seem to annoy you with their eating habits -- your uncle, your hiker acquaintance -- you could pick your associates by asking them to take a survey. First question is "Do you eat gluten?" If the answer is no, discard the survey and the person and move on to the next candidate.

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Do you really think that because it is estimated that 1% of the population has Celiac disease, it gives you license to dismiss it with scorn and disbelief, and a disregard for others?

yes, and partly because of the better than thou attitude they have with their no gluten lifestyle. people that actually have celiac disease probably don't talk about their gluten sensitivities, much the same way a diabetic doesn't talk about their dietary needs. meanwhile, the people on the no gluten fad diet, can't shut up about it. and it's not just gluten, it could be carbs or paleo or south beach, whatever the fad diet is, the morons can't stop talking about it. more importantly, they can't stop talking about how YOU need to give up gluten or carbs or whatever

One percent of the earth's population is more than 71 million people

statistically insignificant.

You have no license to judge whether or not their illnesses (or diet preferences, or reasons for those diet preferences) have merit.

we do the second they start shoving that preference down our throats.

Perhaps that would change should you ever become the victim of a "statistically insignificant" illness.

you must not have read THIS thread, as i ALREADY AM. i'm bipolar (and have been on medications for 15+ years). bipolar disorder affects 2% of the population - again, statistically insignificant. i run into people all the time that have self diagnosed themselves as being bipolar because....i guess they think it's cool? when asked what medications they're on, they change the subject because they've never actually seen a doctor about it, but darn it if that website hasn't convinced them that they are indeed bipolar.

By your standards, you and your "collective WE (assuming you mean the rest of the population)" are right to dismiss it.

WRONG. you're committing a logical fallacy. i/we don't dismiss people with dwarfism because, clearly, they have dwarfism. the people that i/we are dismissing are the people that pretend/claim to have a disorder they most definitely do not have. another popular one would be those that claim to have OCD because they like an explanation for something that is simply a quirk. those of us that actually do have OCD would NEVER be proud of having it. those that actually have celiac would love to be able to consume gluten without any problems, and they too are left shaking their head at these morons that have jumped on a fad

Why you should care what people choose to eat is a mystery.

already explained. i don't care what you choose to eat. what i care about is if you can't stop telling others that they too should give it up - i.e. vegans that can't stop telling people that they should give up meat as well. people that actually have celiac don't fit this category.

Why you should care WHY people choose their diets is an even bigger mystery.

because when they have based their choice on ignorance and the current fad, it's a big red flag to the level of stupidity they are on.

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You sound smart enough to understand numbers. One percent is not a number, per se; it represents a ratio. People often confuse that. One is a low number. Seventy-one million is a large number. In this case, the one is representing the seventy-one million; and it is only statistically low. If you reduce people to statistics, you think like a bean counter who justifies not fixing a problem in a car because it's cheaper to pay out the probable lawsuit amounts after people lose their lives. They put a number value on a human life; this is not civilized. Seventy-one million people is a lot of people, no matter how you look at it.

No one can shove anything down your throat unless you let them. Don't spend time with people who try to do this. You may end up with a small circle of people, but perhaps you would be happier.

Maybe YOU are on the bipolar bandwagon? Just because you take meds for it might not mean much these days. I know a lot of people on meds for some mental illness or other. I've lost people I love to suicide because they were truly mentally ill; I understand that pain. But I doubt it's hard to get a doc to pony up a script for an antidepressant. It might be the med du jour in a lot of peoples' medicine cabinets.

Again, you seem to need to expel the fake bipolars from your circle. You seem to need to expel a lot of people who apparently don't let you run their lives, tell them what to eat, and tell them what illnesses they "definitely do not have." Unless you are their physician, you should keep your nose out of their medical business and not presume to tell them they are not sick. You are not entitled to speak for all who claim to have something, including OCD. Maybe that's just another one of your bandwagon rides. You do not know everyone who has OCD and therefore cannot speak for what they do or do not do.

My sister would love to eat a lovely hot roll or even just a Ritz cracker. I've never seen her belittle anyone who does not eat gluten for any reason.

You, I think, believe yourself to know best for everyone around you, and even those who are not around you whom you have never met. If you are so annoyed by so many people who say things you do not like, or people you consider stupid (apparently a statistically significant percentage of the people you are acquainted with or spend time with) you really should do yourself a favor and just cut these people out of your life. But I suspect you enjoy either playing the martyr who has to endlessly explain to others why they are wrong because they don't think like you; or you are really mentally ill and need these people around you to validate yourself.

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One percent is not a number, per se; it represents a ratio

correct

One is a low number. Seventy-one million is a large number.

correct, but that doesn't make it wrong. the flip side of your low/large number argument is the people that don't/can't understand the difference between gross and net profit.

- oh look at that greedy corporation that made 5 billion dollars last year, they can afford to pay more taxes - vs - they only made 4% profit.

If you reduce people to statistics

why not? there are over 7 billion of us which means we're not some special delicate and rare flower

They put a number value on a human life; this is not civilized.

says who? you? EVERYONE puts a number value on human life - even YOU. maybe you haven't done it yet, but some day you will decide on whether or not it is worth it to pay for your 98 year old grand mother with senile dementia's pace maker. or maybe you'll decide that you shouldn't spend thousands of dollars on surgeries to remove tumors from your pet. either way, eventually, you'll make a decision on life itself, and a large part of the decision will be based on a dollar amount

No one can shove anything down your throat unless you let them.

it's an expression, and it means they don't stop talking about it and trying to convince you do it. think mormons that knock on your door and want to share the "good word" or unwashed hippies handing out pamphlets outside of your grocery store

Maybe YOU are on the bipolar bandwagon?

LOL because it's such a fun wagon

Just because you take meds for it might not mean much these days.

does these days include 20+ years ago? that aside, i've been diagnosed multiple times by multiple doctors - one must do that when they move around a lot

I've lost people I love to suicide because they were truly mentally ill

so in your mind, suicide is the only true measure of being mentally ill - got it. just because someone doesn't go through with it or succeed at it, that doesn't' mean they aren't suffering.

I understand that pain.

shut the F up, NO YOU DON'T. no amount of empathy in the world can help you to understand the true pain and suffering they were going through you narcissistic douche. the pain you felt after they KILLED THEMSELVES TO GET OUT OF THAT PAIN was NOTHING.

But I doubt it's hard to get a doc to pony up a script for an antidepressant

probably not at all. prozac has been nicknamed vitamin P because of the few side effects and many benefits. but i'm not on prozac, as prozac isn't a bipolar medication nor are bipolar medications beneficial to people "having a bad day"

you should keep your nose out of their medical business and not presume to tell them they are not sick.

you seem to be missing a very big point. i don't want to stick my nose in any of their business. i'd be quite content to never hear about it. it's THEM that force everyone's nose into their business. it's THEM that can't shut up about being gluten or vegan or whatever - they literally hand out pamphlets outside of grocery stores.

You do not know everyone who has OCD and therefore cannot speak for what they do or do not do.

you're right, i don't. however, anyone with a modicum of training in the field of psychology can tell the difference between something like actual OCD and a person who just likes to have things their way (ie the table set up in a certain way)

My sister would love to eat a lovely hot roll or even just a Ritz cracker. I've never seen her belittle anyone who does not eat gluten for any reason.

again, you seem to be missing the point. the reason why she doesn't belittle anyone is because she ACTUALLY HAS A LEGITIMATE REASON TO AVOID GLUTEN. people that actually have a disorder, aren't the ones constantly talking about it. it's the people that jumped on the fad that do that.

people you consider stupid (apparently a statistically significant percentage of the people you are acquainted with or spend time with)

based on the IQ score bell curve, it is a statistically significant percentage of the people i meet, but i still need to be able to go outside.

You, I think, believe yourself to know best for everyone around you

no. i think i know what's best for ME, and if everyone else stuck to doing what's best for THEM, and did so WITHOUT trying to convert everyone, then everyone would be better off.


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You are the narcissistic douche, based on your posting history. I suspected as much. But no matter how cool you think you are or how angrily you post ordering me to shut up, it's not within your power.

That's a good mantra for you. It might make you healthier:

"It's not within my power."

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your reading comprehension is abysmal. the ONLY reason why i told you to shut up was in regards to you mistakenly and delusionally thinking that you understand the pain that a person that committed suicide was in.



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Doesn't matter WHY you angrily and with profanity told me to shut up. You betray yourself with this anger. But you are impotent in this matter. You can curse, beat your chest, scream, kick your computer, kick your dog, do whatever is in your power to do -- except accomplish your goal of getting me to shut up. You are powerless here. Powerless. Repeat -- powerless. That has to feel really frustrating.

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you're an idiot, and if you want to believe that you truly understand the pain and suffering that a person that KILLS THEMSELVES TO ESCAPE THE PAIN, then you're also a delusional idiot or perhaps, simply, foolish

i won't lose a moment of sleep over it. i don't find it frustrating at all, i find it sad, pathetic, and a tad bit narcissistic. but go ahead and tell everyone you meet that YOU understand - LOL

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you're an idiot, and if you want to believe that you truly understand the pain and suffering that a person that KILLS THEMSELVES TO ESCAPE THE PAIN, then you're also a delusional idiot or perhaps, simply, foolish

i won't lose a moment of sleep over it. i don't find it frustrating at all, i find it sad, pathetic, and a tad bit narcissistic. but go ahead and tell everyone you meet that YOU understand - LOL


One thing that's always predictable about mentally ill people, or those who say they are, is that they think the world revolves around them; and are incapable of seeing the world through any other lens.

You think you are being high-brow when you dramatically (and far too often) use the "sigh" word to indicate how bored or how above everyone else you are, or how simple-minded you think everyone else is. Try a little variety there. Try, "putting back of hand to forehead and rolling eyes" instead of "sigh" once in awhile. You might also amuse yourself by coming up with a substitute for "I won't lose any sleep over it." You use that phrase frequently too. If you're not careful, you'll have nothing but a canned post you can put up in response to anyone.

You also desperately need to feel accepted, and that is why you constantly use group phraseology. You say "we" or "us" or "the rest of us" with regularity, needing to align yourself with an unspecified "normal" group. That's because you fear being rejected. It's a trait of narcissistic people.

If you're capable of it, which I doubt, you'll examine your own posting history with others and see how often you do NOT have a civil conversation with others, and how often your responses to different posters about different subjects are remarkably similar. You are one-note.

You might need a medication adjustment to help you cope better. Whatever you're on isn't doing the job. In fact, I'm willing to bet that the actual, live people with whom you are acquainted are tired of your pompous pontificating, and that's why you come here, to these boards, to dump your bullsh!t on people you don't even know. That means you're a coward, too.

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One thing that's always predictable about mentally ill people, or those who say they are, is that they think the world revolves around them; and are incapable of seeing the world through any other lens.

get over yourself, that is the human condition - EVERYONE thinks the world revolves around them. just look at YOU. you think you understand the pain and suffering a person feels that KILLS THEMSELVES TO ESCAPE IT.

Try a little variety there

why? i like the sigh, so i'll stick with it. perhaps i should go on a long winded rant about how you'll never be able to force me to use something other than sigh and you'll stay up at night thinking about it and that's why your mad....

how simple-minded you think everyone else is.

not everyone else, just people like you

You also desperately need to feel accepted

if that was true, i wouldn't disagree with people like you all the time. you can't have it both ways. you can't accuse me of wanting everyone to accept me and accuse me of attacking everyone

unspecified "normal" group

there is no such thing as "normal" just a statistical "average"

It's a trait of narcissistic people.

says the person that thinks he understand those that commit suicide


you'll examine your own posting history with others and see how often you do NOT have a civil conversation with others

IF you had actually been paying attention when you went back over my posting history, you would have noticed that my lack of a civil conversation is limited to one or two people. you can't look at 20 posts and say you can't be civil with anyone when those 20 posts are directed at the same person. AND if you had read the other guy's comments, you'd know that he was the one that decided to stop being civil, and i responded in kind

I'm willing to bet that the actual, live people with whom you are acquainted are tired of your pompous pontificating

not remotely. in fact, i get paid pretty well to pontificate



You might need a medication adjustment to help you cope better.

i've been stable for decades, and this just another example of you being delusional. you think you can make complex psychological evaluations and prescribe medicine based on a few online comments on a movie site - and yet somehow, this still isn't as moronic as you thinking you understand the pain and suffering of those that commit suicide

pompous pontificating

again, this is YOU every time you claim to understand the pain and suffering of those that chose to KILL THEMSELVES

to dump your bullsh!t on people you don't even know

this is my thread. you're the one that decided to jump on it and dump your crap on me.

That means you're a coward, too.

i'm an infantry vet, so based on life experiences and the choices you and i have made, i'm willing to bet that on the big spectrum of life, you're a lot closer to that coward line than i am



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i'm an infantry vet, so based on life experiences and the choices you and i have made, i'm willing to bet that on the big spectrum of life, you're a lot closer to that coward line than i am


Military vet here, too, bub. More than 20 years. You have no idea what I've done.

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since you avoided all other points, i'm going to go out on a limb and say that you were a P.O.G.

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Choosing not to respond to most of your nonsense is not avoiding; you are just tiresome. Boring, in fact. I see you're one of those lowbrows who think only grunts in foxholes are necessary to accomplish the mission. That does not surprise me at all.

You might be one of the bunch who couldn't do anything without direction except find the chow hall.

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and i'm sure you're one of those pompous and pretentious support MOSs that thinks that infantry was the only job they could get

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Not so, ppllkk.

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