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Your thoughts on season 2 (spoilers in this discussion)


Were you as disappointed as I was?

I have to admit, season 1 started off rocky but quickly found its balance. Season 1 told a story people could follow and then left on an explosive cliffhanger.

Now after finishing season 2, I'm left scratching my head. So prepare for a long analytical rant of the series's shortcomings.

XIII the god this season really made me re-evaluate XIII as a protagonist. I can understand being at the center of a conspiracy, but trying to link him to Tesla was a bit of a stretch. Last season it was all about his memories, so it made sense that he pursued leads and they tied directly to him. This year it was just strange that he was the 'key' to all of this.

Especially if he still supposedly doesn't remember who he is. I don't undstanding his motivations anymore and all the mystery and build up from last season goes unanswered. Why did he create the computer program from last season? Who contracted him to do it? But all that is thrown to the wind because it's more important to show XIII kicking cannon fodder-ass. It's not until boss fights where we see him 'struggle' then shortly overcome his foes. And no evening is complete unless he makes out with all the women. I also found Stuart lacking the charisma and empathy he had last year, maybe it was the difficult task of playing two characters but I dunno, it just wasn't as strong a performance. Watch Reed Diamond play Laurence Dominic in Dollhouse and Jason Pillar in 24, he played two characters that were supposed to be the same very differently and he relied on more than a smirk. Same goes for Julianna Marguilies who played Elizabeth Canterbury in Canterbury's Law and Alicia Florrick in the Good Wife, another example of an actor who is able to make two characters completely distinct by using more than just facial expression.



the freedom fighters ---I mean seriously? A bunch of concerned tree huggers (can't even call them environmentalists because of what they do to this world) suddenly run black-ops, know how to use guns, and can bust people out from Guantanamo bay. This would have been fine on some buddy-squad show, but not on this one where the creators attempt a more serious tone. Then there's the irony of the entire squad being funded by the corporations they're fighting against, but of course instead of kick starting a logical conflict from that revelation, the writers think it's better for Betty and Moz to just find their base gone. Which fuels their ridiculous rage.


XIII's double I understand the theme of conflicting identies, especially when characters realize they can't live in both the 'normal' world and the one of espionage. There is an internal conflict which makes you question what side you're on and if it's possible to reconcille the two. This season attempts an exploration like this but loses itself in BS. The whole Victor Gong angle is ridiculous in that there's no reason for him to rebel. It gets worse when he and Betty stat to have a thing, at that point it was difficult not to laugh. Suddenly our freedom fighter becomes a femme fetale with absolutely no plan of her own beyond 'revenge!'.


Speaking of revenge....

Carrington
Another poster asked why the president is a rage-filled lunatic and I think most of us were wondering the same thing. A good chunk of it seems to be simple overacting, but bad writing doesn't help either. The president comes off like a man on a mission who has no solid plan for anything (remind you someone?).

All his time in office seemed to be motivated by greed and it wasn't until Harriet started thumping on the door did he suddenly realize he was president. Then there's the ghosts of war that haunt him, I think the writers were trying to evince sympathy on this character, paint him as a man plagued by the horrors of war. The problem is that by this time he lacks all charisma to the point where he's nothing but a nuisance that's hindering America's prospects. I mean inactive martial law just so he can keep office? Ridiculous.

Harriet anothe piece of the ridiculous pie. Just once it'd be nice to see a competent woman who wants to do the job right, minus the cliched uptight, or in Harriet's case, bimboey personality. It was difficult to care about the white house storyline because I couldnt stand her or the president. Their goals flopped from 'America first' to 'give me power' to the point where you had to wonder who out there was voting for any of them.

Betty the freedom fighter turned black ops operative, is really the daughter of the most powerful man on Earth who just happens to be the leader of the Illuminati himself...try reading that without laughing. There was so much going on with this character that you have to wonder just what the writer's where thinking? How does this girl go from supposedly caring about the Earth to destroying it? How does that get her revenge against her father?

And why is everybody heads over heels about this girl? I'm not saying they need to cast glamazons for every female role, but Betty's arc almost required one in an effort to be believable. The character goes 'dark' but the actress comes off like some kid playing dress-up, rather than the self-assured femme fatale we're supposed to believe she turned into during her time with XIII.2.

I also think XIII's hallucinations should have been about Sam. It could have been more meaningful to explore all the ways he would've wanted to save her. But I guess showing a man whoring around is the status-quo.

Amos and Jones where do I start? On one hand I knew Jones had to go because Aisha Taylor has a talk show and is part of Archer. But they went through too much trouble for her send off. It would've been better if she was never mentioned again and just went on the run.

As for Amos, the whole 'you killed my wife and kid' angle is just lazy writing. Same goes for his new obsession with interrogation. I think most CEO's study economics and not the book of torture techniques. He came off like some psycho and ironically became one for a time.


This season had something going on with the tesla letters but the writers has too many themes to give this central plot a proper exploration. They were too busy with betrayal, mind control, identity, power, and James Bond to really give us anything worth thinking about.


A little bit of everything and not enough of anything.

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season 2 was quite possibly one of the worst follow-up seasons to any series i have ever seen. they took a relatively great show and turned it into a joke. from a schizophrenic president to xiii just being an idiot, every aspect of this season was horrible. plus the french girl going from loving to psycho to apologetic and loving again in what seems to be a week. actually i guess that last part is like most marriages but either way, still just so bad. i hope if they plan on coming out with a 3rd season they better really put some effort into real writers.

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season 2 was quite possibly one of the worst follow-up seasons to any series i have ever seen.


Amen! At the very least we know have a shining example of how NOT to do a second season. I really hope they just stop here and let the actors commit try something better.

Lost: A little bit of everything, not enough of anything

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I'm late to the party but WTF is RIGHT.
AHGRGGGGGGGGGG

Thought this could be somewhat 24' esq S. 1 had potential but S2 IS A FRAKING JOKE FARCE A HUGE DISAPPOINTMENT.

"season 2 was quite possibly one of the worst follow-up seasons to any series i have ever seen."

No it is the worst follow-up season of any series EVER!!!!!!!

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Don't think anyone could have summed that up better than that. That was the most horrible second season of anything I've ever seen. The constant switching back and forth between XIII and Victor, trying to figure who was who, who was controlling who, the unknown motivations, the flip-flopping of the characters personas and motivations, a horrendous ending, etc, just made the show incomprehensible and in-cohesive. Nothing in this season made sense. If it did, the show made you completely forget about it by confusing you later on in same episode. Ridiculous.

One, you don't throw away a major hacking weapon at the end of season 1 and never mention it again, much less have no connection to the previous season other than the characters themselves. Two, the half-assed explanations. Why the hell Amos go to/create (I don't know, I must have zoned out trying to make sense of other things) Synequannox from being previously Director of National Intelligence. What's worst is that they mention that the company put Carrington in office a few times but never elaborate. Amos's relationship with the eventually new female President was never explained either. I found it really hard to believe that his character would cheat. Three, there was no real reason to use the damn climate device other than the sake of destruction. Tying in the Illuminati into that was just a horrible, horrible idea. Four, XIII became a puzzy in this season, other than the occassional ass whooping he does. He was in constant emotional distress and was manipulated every step of the way, extremely more so than season 1, and sometimes like 3 or 4 times within the same episode. The programming voice thing was so annoying, also. All of it was just too much. Five, the same motif. Three watches in first, three letters in the second. Be original

I'd really have to go episode by episode to explain how bad this season was, but the last thing I'll complain about is the ending. Particularly the last 10 minutes. Nothing made sense. The part where XIII enters the white room and they "try to explain" how XIII is tied to the climate weapon is complete BS and confusing. There's a scene where XIII and Victor are laying in chairs hooked to wires where show is explaining how XIII is tied to everything, but it then flashes back to the white room where the two of them are fighting for the gun. XIII wins, of course, and then he and Betty escape from the fortress or whatnot. My question is why was the scene with the two of them were in the chairs hooked up to wires shown in the first place? It would suggest that what XIII was going through wasn't real and that he was dreaming everything and that him sitting there was what happening the entire show, yet he still escapes as if what he did every episode was indeed the true reality.

And the last 2-3 minutes where they show XIII staring off into space.... He's still hearing the voice of the programming and is having flashbacks of when he was being brainwashed! That just makes you think that what he's been doing all along wasn't real, as well. Too freaking confusing!! I know I'm barely making sense so just imagine watching it and trying to comprehend it. If you haven't watch the second season, DON'T!! You'll be perfectly fine with the Season 1 cliff hanger than watching this hot mess of a Season 2.

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Amen!

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it was really hard to follow....this year....

susan

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Perfectly put. I totally agree with pretty much everything you said. Yet, I binged watched S1&2 on Netflix and couldn't stop. It was maddening, incongruous, confusing, silly and campy at times. (Like in Berzerk - what was up with the boy and the comic book that IS the scenario happening at the time.) I still am not sure exactly what happened to Betty (who I can't stand no matter what "mode" she is in) when she was brought back by her father.

Anyone else wish Moz and that fantastic African American woman (did we EVER get her name?) had been able to escape with them and stick around to the end?

I was really disappointed in (I forget her name) Xu corp heir and Victor's fiancée, Harriet and Betty. Such a letdown after seeing such strong female roles earlier on - Jones, Sam, even Irina. At least they seem to have some purpose and a code they operated by.

Anyone get a full body count? So many were either killed by XIII directly or in the line of his "mission". Was it worth it in the end?

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You cannot fix faith, River. Faith fixes you. - Shepherd Book, Firefly

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Agreed, I still do like season 2, just for the sake of two Townsends to goggle and stare at, if you can do that - and you like the way he looks, you can pretty much ignore the story lines and just enjoy the eye candy. There is still plenty of aimless action and violence to go around as well.

The first season was awesome, I just don't know what happened.

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