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Do you think some people are made to be obese?


All these people do lose weight with diet/exercise. But how many really maintain their new look? Usually they gain at least half back within a few years. People keep saying its just about diet and exercise. But it seems more complex than that. You're fighting against your own body that has a set point that wants to keep you obese. I think that once you become obese, it really is harder to get to your ideal weight and stay there- Im not saying it cant be done. But those that achieve successful "obese to fit" transformations and stay that way for 10 years or more are always the exceptions, not the rule

Even Jared from Subway gained some of his weight back.

I don't buy that these people are "lazy" or "lack will power" either. I have seen lots of thin people eat junk food and not exercise- they are not obese! I think the sad truth is, once you become fat for a long time, it will be 10x as hard to keep that new ideal set point. And its not being "lazy" because a former fat person has to eat an average of 300 calories less than a thin person when they reach the same weight! Science backs this up. I hate fat shaming. Im not saying "its okay to be fat" either. Obviously not, but realistically, most obese people do not maintain their new body for very long.

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I have been heavy all my life and I have 2 girls 13 and 17. They 13 year old weighs 95 pounds and my 17 year old is 117. So I was lucky they took after my husband.

Does kind burn my butt that they can eat like they can and not gain nothing though! LOL

Don't bother sweating over your bills, in the end we all wind up in the hole!

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There is no such thing as fat genes and if there was it would take millions of years of evolution to be put into effect. Fat parents tend to have fat kids because the parents have bad eating habits and don't exercise the way they need to.

Here's the big mystery of staying in shape: eat less, move more.

Personally I would rather do effective workouts and then I can pretty much eat what I want to which is what I do instead of being inert and eating pieces of lettuce.

I found a lot of people don't believe in themselves or push themselves hard enough and have self-fulfilling prophecies about not being able to get in shape. Then they rationalize their own lack of discipline and failure with excuses about "fat genes" and how they've tried "everything" and just can't lose weight. Excuses get you no where.

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Okay. First of all evolution is a myth.

Yer also assuming that everyone who isn't overweight eats healthy or exercises. There are lot of people who aren't fat who have terrible diets.

My parents were very thin and I turned out overweight by age 12. Granted, I had a junk food addiction. But I think that my parents were actually bordering on being unhealthy in their thinness. My mother was a model and my dad was a nerd.

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I think it's a little of column A and a little of column B: Both genes and eating habits affect a person's weight. You'll have your skinny people who eat like horses and gain nothing, and your heavy people who eat normal amounts. It's possible for the latter to lose weight, but they have to work a lot harder at it than the former.

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Stop making excuses for fat people. No, people are not made to be obese. It's unnatural. That's why you never see obese animals in the wild. People gain the weight back because they see diets and exercise regimens as temporary solutions. They are satisfied with their results, so they go back to their old habits.

Sure, there are some people who can get away with eating lots of junk food due to a fast metabolism. That will come back to bite them in the ass when they're older.

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I like that you tell it like it is.

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Actually, I have seen obese animals before in the wild.

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Without a doubt there is a genetic component, but our genes have not changed in any meaningful way since the 50s and look at the obesity problem the U.S. is facing now. Some people put on weight faster than others, that is just a fact, but when we are talking about morbidly obese people it really is just a matter of calories in vs. energy burned. It is much easier (I'm not saying that it is easy) to go from 25% bodyfat down to 15% than it is to go from 10% to 8%. So the calculations on how to lose weight in a healthy way gets a little trickier the lower in BF you go but the idea is relatively the same.

So I agree that some people are 'made' to be fat. But no one is made to be morbidly obese. Its a matter of degrees. There are many people who comfortably are 15 lbs overweight and it is hard for them to lose that weight. But NOONE is comfortably 80-100lbs overweight. You honestly need to work at getting that far overweight. This is why you see many of those extremely overweight people having other issues besides just being overweight. They are typically using food to make up for something else. Be it being depressed or whatever.

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Its a lot easier than you think to become obese. Now I don't see how people end up 400 lbs- that does puzzle me. But to be 100 lbs overweight? That's not really that difficult. Drs say all it takes to gain 15 lbs a year is 1 extra cookie. Those little extras are what put on weight

My theory has always been that fat people really don't eat a whole lot more than thin people, its just those 25-100 calories extra that makes them fat. And people think fat people gorge on food all day. Really, most do not. The only ones like that are the aforementioned 400 lb + people you see who can't even turn over in bed, etc. But the average "porker" doesn't just eat food all day. Usually, and that's why its so easy to become that weight. Especially if you don't make yourself exercise all the time and watch every calorie.

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Sorry man, I was being a dick on here for no reason. I shouldn't have taken it out on you. Thanks for your nice response.

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No worries. Its not a big deal. I think anyone can be their ideal weight, but I do believe due to genetics, it doesn't come as easy for some as it does for others.

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how can you credit things to genetics, but say evolution is a myth?

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Genetics and evolution are not one in the same.



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I agree with your post, but not the title of it. I think that once people become obese it is difficult to lose weight and even more difficult to keep it off. It requires making a major lifestyle change and I think that is one of the major challenges. But I do think it is a range of factors that contribute and it is different for every person. External factors, like the availability and affordability of high-calorie food (that is pretty much designed to make you crave it) is another factor. Mental health, education, income, etc. all can contribute.

For the record, I also hate fat shaming/fat jokes and this show is a big reason why. If you watch this show but still have no compassion for overweight people, I don't understand you. Even if you blame them for getting themselves into that situation, you have to recognize that it's extremely hard to get in shape as an obese person. Before I watched this show I wasn't really aware of the plight of overweight people but now I really feel like it has made me more empathetic towards their situation and I try to be sensitive of that.

I have never been obese but over two years ago this show influenced me to start watching what I eat. At 6'3" and 185 lbs I wouldn't have even been considered overweight by most standards. I had been doing cardio for a long time but didn't see many tangible results, and it wasn't until I started tracking my calories that weight started coming off. I lost about 25 lbs. and have kept it off and I credit this show with making me think I could do it.

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the amount of leptin your body secretes effects your appetite.....there are people who NEVER feel full because of this.

there was a big study they had a big bunch of people and they explained that they had to be really accurate with their food intake and each would get their personalized list at the end

http://www.health.com/type-2-diabetes/foods-may-affect-each-persons-blood-sugar-differently-study-suggests

they were tested how their body reacted to different food even so called healthy foods, one lady really spiked with tomatoes both when she ate it alone or with other food

dr oz did a one time test on some ladies....they ate whole wheat bread the next day they had a candy bar...2 of the ladies had much lower reading when they ate the candy bar..but had a big spike when they ate the bread

below is from the link I posted

But in the current study, a number of surprises emerged, Segal said.
"We saw vast variability (in blood sugar responses) when we gave people identical meals," he said.
"With bread, some people showed almost no change in glucose, while others showed a large response," he said. "Some had higher responses to bread with butter than to bread alone."
That, Segal pointed out, goes against the conventional wisdom that adding fat to a simple carbohydrate reliably reins in the blood sugar response.
The findings are based on 800 Israeli adults who gave detailed information on their diet, lifestyle, and medical history. Over one week, they used a smartphone app to record all of their daily activities, including the food they ate, while glucose monitors kept track of their post-meal blood sugar changes.
Each participant also gave a stool sample so the researchers could analyze their gut

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Genetics play a part, but many people think that means that if your parents are thin, you will be thin, and if you aren't, then you are overeating. Remember high school biology? Just because both parents have brown eyes, it is possible for them to have a child with blue eyes (Bb + Bb can = bb or BB or Bb)

So two thin people can have one or more children that have to struggle constantly to maintain a healthy weight. It's all on the roll of the genetic dice. I was watching an episode of MTV's "I Used to Be Fat" where this was the case. Two kids thin, eating whatever junk they wanted, in whatever quantities, one kid having to live on a healthy foods only diet with extra physical activity to be the same weight, and learn not to live with resentment.

I have met women that were rail thin before pregnancy, rail thin during pregnancy (picture a broom handle with a basketball stuck to the middle) and rail thin after pregnancy, that had the most atrocious eating habits. Mt. Dew and Doritos all day, fast food for meals, sitting on the couch all day smoking cigarettes and watching daytime TV. This is not an exaggeration.

So, it's not just diet and exercise, and there is nothing more difficult than trying to convince a 5'3" woman who has been strictly sticking to the meal and fitness plan (it's monitored closely in controlled situations) and losing and gaining the same 1 pound over the course of three weeks, to stick to it and things will change, when she can see that the woman that is 5'7" is steadily losing 2-3 pounds each week. They both started at the same weight.

In addition, due to the roles testosterone and estrogen play, men lose quicker than women when following the same plans. So hubby is visibly getting smaller, and the wife is slowly getting more dejected at her measly 1 pound a week weight loss.

Some people can exercise for about 30 minutes a day, 3 or 4 times a week and maintain their body fat. Others have to do at least 60 minutes of hard exercise every day, or the pounds start to creep up.

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