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Question for Asians who saw the film


Do you feel the way Jeff's father was depicted was racist?

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I'm not asian, but I don't think it was racist. I know white people who's parents are like that too. One of my best friends dad was exactly like that.

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Any other thoughts on this?

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I'm Asian-American and wasn't offended by the role. Yes, his role was a stereotypical tiger dad, but I thought the overall movie did a good job taking stereotypes and turning them on it's head. For example, when Miller makes a comment about how "American" Jeff is, Casey points out that Jeff is more "American" than Casey, and Jeff points out his family has been in the US longer than Miller's. Jeff also is painted as a stereotypical Asian bookworm overachiever, but we later learn that's not the case. Samantha Futerman also was hilarious in her role as well.

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Asians are hardly racist, per se. That is, you won't see Asians using the n word or dressing up as members of the KKK.

Asians' version of racism is the racial superiority complex. That is, Asians sometimes believe they are better than everybody else. They look down on other minorities (particularly Blacks) and think that blacks are violent, uneducated thugs who are unenlightened unlike the Asians.

I've seen Asians look down on and talk down to blacks plenty of times. And some Asians buy into the model minority myth, thinking they are superior to everybody else b/c they are more intelligent, attend Ivy League universities at a higher rate, etc.

If you heard of the Tiger Mom syndrome, it's basically Asians' version of the racial superiority complex.

So Asians themselves are hardly racist, but they definitely think they are the superior race. So did Hitler.

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So Asians themselves are hardly racist, but they definitely think they are the superior race.

What???

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There's a big difference between racism and racial superiority. Racism is hatred and contempt for one race and wishing harm on members of that race.

Racial superiority means that one race thinks they are better than another. Like Asians think they are better than blacks b/c they are better educated, attend Ivy League universities at a higher rate, and have higher paying white collar (highly skilled) jobs in medicine and Wall Street. (Obviously blacks dominate the music and sports industries, which pay much higher than medicine and finance, but the number of Asians in medicine and finance are exceed the number of blacks playing professional sports or are professional hip hop artists.)

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Uh, no. Those are the same things. The bigotry does not have to pass a certain , specific threshold (which you've apparently defined as some hairsplit between thinking a race is inferior, and holding it in contempt) (as if those are mutually exclusive) .. to be bigotry. And bigotry of that flavor is racism. Really, this is for sure the stupidest comment I've read today. And I've been on youtube.

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He is correct. I am racially Chinese, and this is the commonly accepted position among the traditional folks.

Roughly similar to the Aryan concept, but without the elimination of lesser races component.

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I agree

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Asians don't have superiority complex, they outmarry like 5 times more than any other race in America. They basically worship white people and get all kinds of plastic surgery to have caucasian features. Self-loathing is rampant. They also obsess over Western brands, and a white person with zero skill or experience can get on TV or movies in Asia pretty easily.

As for the dad, he was clearly a caricature and stereotypical. A more accurate depiction would have been a crazy controlling Tiger Mom which is more typical in Asian cultures, but that wouldn't have had as much spice in the movie since they wanted to have a physical presence as the parent.

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His post was with respect to the lesser races as deemed within Asian traditions. Whites are generally not classified as such, hence this concept does not apply to Whites.

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Actually racist as hell in their home country. Japan was called honorary Aryan by Hitler. They only open up because of war. Otherwise they do everything to block immigration even if they're dying out. They all have a similar superiority complex born from God *beep* But they got their asses kicked by the whites so now they kiss their ass. It's the culture. Nobody else has that kissass culture. They think by kissing their ass,it will prevent problems against them. It's hilarious and so naive.

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NO.

A bit stereotypical, maybe, but it's not that uncommon for Asian parents to be like that (although this case was rather extreme)

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I did not find it racist at all to be honest with you about it. Parents can be strict and I have seen it and remember when I was that age on how parents want their child to be the best. Nothing wrong with that at all.

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I'm an Asian (Korean-American) and to be honest, I was very offended by how stereotypical the father was in this film. He had a non-specific mock Asian accent, and was unredemptively evil to Jeff Chang. Asian parents can be tough, but there's a culture and perspective to be understood.

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In fact, I'm pretty unhappy about the way American media portrays Asian parents in general. I don't doubt that some parents are like that, but there are strict parents in every race. Also, I thought it was disrespectful that a skinny little white boy punches the Asian father in the face. It's okay if we Asians make fun of our own parents, but then YOU can't "talk about my daddy." If you know what I mean.

Other races should stay out of talking about our parents. It's disrespectful, naive, and stupid. Make fun of your own parents.

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"Make fun of your own parents"

So in other words, filmmakers can only make jokes about the same race of people that they are.

How limiting. What a prideful remark.

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Filmmakers can do whatever the hell they want, just as much as I can dislike whatever the hell I want. I'm from a free country where I can do that.

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So in other words, filmmakers can only make jokes about the same race of people that they are..... If they want you to like their movie.

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That depends on the filmmaker and the audience. If a white film director always makes movies making fun of black people, do you think black people will like him? Likewise, if an asian director always made fun of white people, would a white person watch the asian director's films if there are millions of other movies to chose from? It's really as obvious as I'm making it sound--people have likes and dislikes based on their identities. It's only natural that I, being an asian person, dislike movies that portray asians in a negative light. Maybe there are a bunch of asians that love this kinda stuff. Whatever. It's up to you.

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That depends on the filmmaker and the audience. If a white film director always makes movies making fun of black people, do you think black people will like him? Likewise, if an asian director always made fun of white people, would a white person watch the asian director's films if there are millions of other movies to chose from? It's really as obvious as I'm making it sound--people have likes and dislikes based on their identities. It's only natural that I, being an asian person, dislike movies that portray asians in a negative light. Maybe there are a bunch of asians that love this kinda stuff. Whatever. It's up to you.

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