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Should Be Titled, 'What Happens When Parents Make Poor Decisions'


I watched this documentary the other day. I didn't see one set of good parents in this entire documentary. In fact, I only saw one family that had both parents living together. What kind of mother lets their 6 year old wander off in a dangerous parking lot, at night, or to dumpster dive during the day while she sits around with her 4 dogs?

I think the only times these kids are actually parented is when they are in school. Otherwise, they roam freely throughout the motel at all hours of the day and night while their parents are doing who knows what.

I only saw 1 father in this entire documentary. And that family had 4 children. A couple kids that were young enough that the family was already in dire straights before they had them. Yeah! Let's have more! That is smart decision making? There was another family with the mention of a father (we didn't see him) and the mother was happily telling the stories of how her 6 year old daughter knows how to defacate in a bag, and bathe in 8oz of water. She doesn't want any different for her or her family. Why isn't she working? Her kid is in school year round?

It's not the governments fault the kids are there. It's not the wages that are paid. It is the disgusting and deplorable parenting that is keeping these kids in motels.

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Absolutely. The poor choices being made by uneducated, selfish and irresponsible parents is reason number one that these children are even in such deplorable situations. If people would only use their brains instead of their loins and quit having kids they can't afford to feed, this world would be far less overpopulated and less miserable.

But you've gotta ask yourself why someone holding down 2 or even 3 jobs is unable to provide even the basics for their family in 2011 America....

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Because they choose to live in one of the most expensive areas of California, and on that, the country. They don't have to live there, they choose to. And because of that, they have to work 2-3 jobs.

They could easily afford to rent a nice little house in Texas or Utah for the price of a small apartment in Orange County. It's a skewed perspective.

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Spoken like a true Republican douche. Not EVERY person who is poor is irresponsible. That is a blanket statement and a total stereotype. Every black person like watermelon and fried chicken, right?? Every Hispanic person who lives in that county MUST be in a gang, right?

Were their irresponsible parents in this documentary? Of course....welcome to the real world! I've seen parents WITH money who were just as irresponsible! But I also saw a couple families that were victims of a crap economy that cut them loose from their jobs to save on the bottom line. To be living in the richest county in the United States and be that poor is ridiculous. The system is rigged against people. You cannot get up the ladder no matter how hard you try. The days of America being the land of opportunity have been over for many MANY years, and it's only gotten worse since Bush started a pointless war over oil.

If you think things are so bad maybe you should actually help instead of being a judgmental jerk like the director of this documentary. I thought she came off as very condescending. These parents could give their kids up to the state, but they're doing everything in their power to stay together. If you've never been there you will never understand what it's like.

I hope this director made her money on this documentary! Making money off the misery of others is exploitative and self-serving.

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Poverty is a cycle, and "bad" or "poor decision-making" goes across all socioeconomic lines. Those involved with this documentary accomplished what they set out to do, which was to expose how the richest country in the world won't provide a strong enough safety net so children can get the basics. And, as a result, there will be more generations of families like these.

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Spoken like a true Republican douche. Not EVERY person who is poor is irresponsible. That is a blanket statement and a total stereotype. Every black person like watermelon and fried chicken, right?? Every Hispanic person who lives in that county MUST be in a gang, right?

Were their irresponsible parents in this documentary? Of course....welcome to the real world! I've seen parents WITH money who were just as irresponsible! But I also saw a couple families that were victims of a crap economy that cut them loose from their jobs to save on the bottom line. To be living in the richest county in the United States and be that poor is ridiculous. The system is rigged against people. You cannot get up the ladder no matter how hard you try. The days of America being the land of opportunity have been over for many MANY years, and it's only gotten worse since Bush started a pointless war over oil.

If you think things are so bad maybe you should actually help instead of being a judgmental jerk like the director of this documentary. I thought she came off as very condescending. These parents could give their kids up to the state, but they're doing everything in their power to stay together. If you've never been there you will never understand what it's like.

I hope this director made her money on this documentary! Making money off the misery of others is exploitative and self-serving.

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I understand your feelings, but it is counterproductive and an insufficient assumption to place complete blame on the parents without examining cultural, societal, economical and/or governmental factors which may perpetuate those sorts of situations. This is not to say that many of the parents aren't guilty of poor decision making and parenting skills, rather to suggest that their bad parenting or decision making might be among a list of many factors/reasons for their poverty and homelessness.

I think the documentary was highlighting the difficulties in maintaining a descent livelihood in Orange County, or any other region considered expensive. The costs of living do vary depending on where you are in the country, and the director made it a point to portray the contrasts between those featured in the documentary and those who can afford to prosper in that town. The wages offered do not always correspond with the cost of living; so, although it may cost a minimum of x amount to afford a "decent" living, employers don't necessarily always pay that minimum. You saw that one of the mothers was a nurses assistant- maybe not a lucrative career, but you'd think at that level she could at least afford a small apartment. Her wage of 15 dollars an hour wasn't enough to support herself (and family) in Orange County, CA...maybe in another town in another state, but not there.

Also, when speaking in terms of poverty, we should acknowledge the role of education and access to resources. Those born in poverty tend to stay in poverty, and when they bear children in poverty, those children have the same risk of staying in poverty as their parents did. Think of yourself being born in a single room. You and your parents do everything in that room; they work there and shop there, you go to school there and meet all of your friends there as well. Everything that they and you know exists in that room. Although you may sort of know what is behind the door and beyond that room, no one in your world has figured out how to open the door, much less properly teach and guide you towards that opportunity. And even if you did manage to step out of the room, it would be very stressful and difficult navigating once in that world, as you would be entirely out of your element. Your parents do their best to pass on what they know, but what they know is lacking and not enough to prepare you to become successful on your own. If that cycle isn't broken, it easily becomes your children's likely fate; and not everyone has a good grasp on what it takes to break that cycle. Education and access to resources are truly strong indicators of future success. Education teaches you how to find and utilize resources, yet, even the best education is challenged (and at times useless) when there are no resources to be utilized (such as a small town with few jobs, low educational standards, little support from professionals who are qualified to assist citizens, etc).

I'm not saying that getting out of poverty is impossible, or that all who are within the depths of poverty are uneducated. My point is that your analysis of those families and their lives is one dimensional, and although a situation may appear simple from the outside, there are often a complex network of factors which manifest into what you erroneously think is a result of "only" bad decisions.

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You make an interesting point. However I do have to disagree with your thesis.

By and large I feel that the lion's share of the blame as to why these children are living in a motel lies squarely on the parents:

Our culture isn't holding these people back. The American culture tells us that if we want something enough, and we work hard enough for it, we can achieve anything. I am not debating whether or not that is true anymore. In fact, it is irrelevant. The point is that that can do spirit should inspire, not hinder.

Society doesn't owe anyone a way out of poverty. In spite of that, there are numerous programs and charities that cater to these people. In fact, I am having a hard time thinking of ways society is sending or keeping people in/to poverty.

Economic....yes. There are some very simple factors in which this true. The parents don't make enough money for their families to live in homes. The cost of living is very high where the parents chose to have their families live.

The government? I have to take issue with this. Why is it in the government's best interest to keep these motel families in poverty? What does the government have to gain from it?

We only have the few families featured in this documentary to base our opinions on. And the parents featured were grossly irresponsible.

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Thank you for your response. This is long, apologies.

The culture of American idealism can be argued as inspiring, but the issue these families faced were not necessarily a result of inspiration or a lack thereof. I guess it depends on perspective, because there are vast amounts of people who "don't" feel that out culture inspires or motivates all to reach success. Marginalization and disinfranchisment exists, which means that particular vision may not include all people. This is a slightly different conversation, so I'll try to stay on topic.

You're right that society doesn't owe anyone anything, in fact, it can be argued that no one really owes anyone anything, but it's not about owing, it's about the very cliche concept of aspiring for justice and equality as much as possible. Of course I realize that it is impossible for complete fairness to exist, but that doesn't mean we wash our hands of an opportunity to provide it on the basis of "life isn't fair" or "we don't owe anyone anything." Our country stands on several morally upstanding principles, and the fact is that not everyone is guaranteed the same access to those principles. Charities are wonderful vehicles to the underprivileged, and we should be appreciative that systems are in place to help those in need. But their availability isn't unlimited. There is only so much that a charity or "welfare" system can do, and the purpose of such entities is to act as a security blanket, not a fix-all.

The issues in poverty are deeply engrained and rooted into communities of people as well as the foundation of our American culture.

For the sake of this conversation, I wont say that our government or society ambitiously attempts to keep some impoverished or prevents people from success, but I will say that there isn't nationwide and prioritized true or genuine concern for resolving the issues...only "sweeping the problem under the rug" sort of solutions. When I say true concern, I don't just mean outwardly public concern, I mean actual determination to both understand and decrease real poverty. In spite of the amount of money, personal advice or input and policies that we throw at the situation, poverty will continue flourishing, because it transcends simple answers or fixes. It all depends on how interested we are in decreasing it- If we are, then we will begin opening up to learning about different perspectives about the issue, and if not then we will continue being content in "knowing what we know."
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I truly mean no offense by this, but one of your statements really shows how superficial our examinations of poverty are. You said "The cost of living is very high where the parents chose to have their families live." That's simply not always the case. As I said in my initial post, poverty is cyclic. You assume that those families had the resources and/or money to live or move somewhere else, but I think that they would even agree that it would be the most obvious decision had they been able to make it. I'm sure it occurred to them that moving may be in their benefit, but if you have no money, and no where to go...how is that decision even viable? Again, I wish you could hear my voice or see me, because I sincerely mean no disrespect...I guess it's hard to discern over the internet at times. But statements such as those are my very reason for declaring that people have erroneous ideas of poverty and how our culture is implicated in the perpetuation of poverty.

This documentary provided insight, but my opinion or thoughts on our culture and poverty have grown from years of study- you're right, the film was only a glimpse into a few families lives, but just so no one gets the wrong impression, I didn't just watch the documentary and base everything I know or feel on the emotional resonance evoked from the children and their circumstances. Along with technical non-real world "book" experience, I also have first hand account and interpersonal experience.

Additionally, I'm not saying that the parents were completely blameless...it's surprising the amount of misfortune we could possibly avoid just by employing better decision making processes. I know I'm guilty. I'm just saying that it's more complex than some are asserting. I know that people do make it, they turn their rags to riches. Hard work is commendable, and I won't deny that hard work can "improve" many despondent situations. But I use the word "Improve" lightly, because improvement doesn't inescapably mean out of the red- it just requires a step above a prior standing. The parents are most definitely accountable, but on some level, our society and government are as well.

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Well said!

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Thank you. I'm surprised you read the whole thing; I wrote so much. Homelessness (and social issues in general) has always been an issue close to my heart, so I'm always open to learning more about it and hearing different perspectives.






Aha! Wait...what were we talking about?

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if we want something enough, and we work hard enough for it, we can achieve anything


That was definitely true once in America, but, alas, not now. So many people are working two jobs just to keep their head above water.

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Exactly right, thanks.

Bottom line, as long as these sorts of people continue to breed, we will always have poverty.

Liberals are always looking for some government panacea, they never learn from past mistakes, i.e., what welfare culture has done to the African American family.

Increasing the minimum wage to 20$ won't solve a thing, and it will ultimately hurt more people than it helps.

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