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her IQ was not 168

posted 12 years ago by specialuse117
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As a psychologist with 21 years experience I can without reservation say her IQ is not 168. Here are some of many reasons I could give:

1. The valid and reliable IQ tests top out at 155. Any number above that is pure speculation and never would be so precise.

2. A true IQ score is never a single score, it is always a range. A competent mental health professional never tells someone they have an IQ of 105 - you tell them your IQ is somewhere in the range of 98 to 112 (105 - or + 7 points).

3. An extrapolated IQ in the 168 range would only occur in 1 out of 2.2 million. Today, only around 150 people in the US have an IQ in this range.

4. If someone scores this high on an IQ tests they will get a free ride to any college in the country.

5. After watching the film she exhibits characteristics of a histrionic personality disorder who craves attention. Is she truly had high intelligence she could get all the attention she wanted with her brain not thru her acting out.

6. The best single indicator of a person's intelligence is language use. "Nuff said about that if you watched the film.

[–] mtedmonds 12 years ago

I agree there is no way her IQ is that high, but that doesn't mean she's not highly intelligent.

I have known many very intelligent people who never took advantage of fhe educational possibilities this afforded them. My best friend growing up scored in the top 5% on an IQ test, got straight A's without trying, and was offered scholarships all over the country, but he chose to be a pothead and never went to college. Talking to him you would never believe he could even recite the alphabet.

My point is many intelligent people choose a path that doesn't utilize their scholastic abilities. For a lot of people academic achievement just isn't that important. It's all how you are socialized. Joyce struck me as someone who was highly intelligent despite her vocabulary. She just learned at an early age she could get what she wanted through her looks, so she probably saw no need to pursue educational opportunities.

If you are truly a mental health professional you should know better than to think many people look to education for attention, or that you can judge a person's IQ based on how they speak.

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[–] Thrill_KillZ 11 years ago

I totally couldn't agree more with your statements. When I was younger, I think I was around 13 and was administered an I.Q. test I guess because I scored the highest in those standardized tests. I was told mine was within 135-145, but just as you said I started smoking pot, I slept through classes & aced tests, the only thing I actually achieved in H.S. was being President of the regional Future Business Leaders of America & won a few state contests in business math & business ect. but in the end I even screwed that up & got impeached my senior year for picking the locks on the mini bars & ordering a bunch of porn in the hotel rooms of my local schools at the organization's three day state competition trip. After high school I chose to go to an electronic technologies school with 2 other pot smoking friends with our own spacious apartment an hour from home. Again all I did was get high, morning, noon & night, I dropped out mid second semester with a 4.0 GPA. Now I'm 34 and not a day goes by when I don't regret all of the opportunities I wasted, I was too smart for my own good. One way or another I developed severe depression & anxiety problems, so much I'm on multiple prescriptions, one of the medications that I am on completely kills my creativity & makes it very hard to keep concentration on things. If I was administered the I.Q. test again I wonder if I would even break 100. I have serious social anxiety & agoraphobia where back in high school I gave speeches to thousands of other kids around the state with no problem. Now I receive disability & rarely go out. I would make a perfect after school special, I would love to be able to try & reach out to kids & pound the message of how important education is & if wasted they will go through life regretting it. I personally never had someone to really guide me in school or stop & shake me, tell me what kind of life that will be waiting for me if I make the wrong decision. A message that most high school kids don't seem to take very seriously.

I realize I'm a bit off topic here but it does relate how I.Q. can change over time, especially when drugs are being used. Everyone seems to think pot is harmless but it can make your whole life fly by you while you're sitting still thinking it's "cool" to be dumb.

As far as language being a sign of intelligence it can go both ways, your speech may exert intelligence, but it's harder to tell on the other end, the way "ebonics", slang or merely plain laziness can put out an unintelligent impression. There are of course cases where it's extremely apparent that someone is an idiot after just a sentence or two. So the argument can be made.

What is your collective opinion on a person's I.Q. raising or falling over time due to over or under stimulation of the brain?

Please excuse the long discussion as it is the A.M. & I'm loaded full of coffee

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[–] WVfilmfem 11 years ago

And many highly intelligent people lack social skills and/or proper emotional judgment.

[–] Lopsided55 12 years ago

That was Einstein's estimated IQ. I knew nothing about her or the film previous to sticking it in the DVD player and her saying that line, and I knew as soon as she said it every word out of her mouth was a lie. Five minutes later I realized she was completely insane/delusional. OMG!

[–] bcubedgirl 11 years ago

Killer_movie, I'm not a doctor but I believe that when your brain lies dormant, your intelligence decreases. I breezed through school and I may not have had straight As but I had a moderately high GPA considering I didn't try at all. Do you think that your missed opportunities lead to your current situation? I messed up so many opportunities without even realizing it and it has lead to my anxiety and agoraphobia. How are you doing these days? I hope your situation has improved. Good luck and God Bless

[–] shesamazingnyc 11 years ago

Her persona absolutely screamed "Histrionic Personality Disorder" to me, but I'm not a professional. These people are so interesting to me!

[–] elysse-vetter 10 years ago

I just watched this. I do agree that there's no way her IQ is in that range, but I wouldn't discount it being in the "above average" category. She's obviously resourceful, but children with an IQ that high that's recognized early in life tend to be much more self-motivated in terms of gaining knowledge. For most of what I've heard (I have absolutely no expertise, mind you) but that type of IQ is genius level or "highly gifted"- that doesn't just result in a lazy child- they really can't turn off their brain/intelligence- they crave more knowledge to acquire because they learn so quickly and become bored very easily. I don't think IQ is really an ability to not study and guess well enough to ace tests. I always assumed it was more related to how swiftly you are able to learn, comprehend complex ideas, think critically and synthesize information, etc. Joyce obviously was able to cleverly think her way out of a few situations, but it also appeared to rely heavily on good luck that nobody paid enough attention to see through her disguises.

[–] halomaniac88 9 years ago

Oh please do you think a smart person would commit all those things? This woman is very delusional and probably has narcissistic personality disorder that is all.

[–] Speed-the-plow 9 years ago

Not even close to 168! At best, she's slightly above average.

[–] rockethulsey 8 years ago

She's clever not smart.

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[–] jriley555 8 years ago

she may not have an iq of 168, but apparently her dogs do.