White Hollywood - Casa de mi padre (2012) Discussion

[–] 12 years ago

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Hollywood and America is the most racist place of course the pink dude is strategically placed. Everyone should know the marketing strategies by now. More whites have money to spend so naturally they are the target demographic. That's why better movies are in independent and foreign cinema. Imagine a ghetto film director with a $250 million dollar budget? Forget about it, it would be the greatest movie ever.

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[–] Kantos_Kan 12 years ago

"Hollywood and America is the most racist place of course the pink dude is strategically placed. Everyone should know the marketing strategies by now. More whites have money to spend so naturally they are the target demographic. That's why better movies are in independent and foreign cinema. Imagine a ghetto film director with a $250 million dollar budget? Forget about it, it would be the greatest movie ever."

I think some people like yourself forget that the USA is still 70% white. Naturally there will be more Hollywood movies with white people. It's a business. I think Blacks are doing well given their 12% population. Mestizos not so much. It'll come.

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[–] MickBarr-1 12 years ago

Why?

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[–] dingleberry_57 12 years ago

Who cares that White people cast their own?

Asian directors cast asians, Mexican directors cast mexicans and so on.

It's not racist, it's just that people are naturally drawn to their own kin.

I'm so sick of all the whingy hippies out there - 'Oh, they haven't pandered to my racial needs blah blah blah'

Get over yourselves. If you don't like it, go home

Adjust your face; take your time, because it's about to be rocked off - permanently

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[–] I_donthavefb_lol 12 years ago

If you don't like it, go home

For Americans, isn't "home" ... America?

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[–] dingleberry_57 12 years ago

Well, I'm not American, but I am Caucasian.

Western countries are full of immigrants that complain about so called 'injustice'.

The ones which are born and bred in the country are less likely to be so petty

Adjust your face; take your time, because it's about to be rocked off - permanently

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[–] vanzant38 12 years ago

White people cast their own.

Really. You are in desperate need of some research.

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[–] james-mac 11 years ago

Sounds like you get upset easily.

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[–] loveyou1317 11 years ago

Good Point but not well delivered.

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[–] Soundslikematt 12 years ago

Um... ever heard of Tyler Perry?

.......come on....

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[–] loki242 9 years ago

Ahh yes the 250 million dollar smoogey made film, imagine the shoot outs at the theater on opening day, you have real problems and white people aren't it.

HELP AGGRAVATE THE STATUS QUO, VOTE AGAINST EVERY INCUMBENT YOU SEE ON A BALLOT.

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[–] Pertwillaby 12 years ago

Are you really that stupid? There are white Hispanic people.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Hispanic_and_Latino_Americans

SAM MENDES & JAMES BOND RETURN IN 2012

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[–] dinoforlunch 12 years ago

Is everyone stupid ???

The whole schtick here is that Will Ferrell is CLEARLY not Hispanic...

Jesus, irony is dead...

Thats one big pile of sh**.

-Ian Malcolm

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[–] I_Guard_Tanelorn 12 years ago

Yeah, this is obviously a tongue in cheek nod to when Charlton Heston played a mexican.

"I said no camels, that's five camels, can't you count?"

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[–] MickBarr-1 12 years ago

I think this thread was started by someone who thinks this movie was being treated as seriously as Touch Of Evil.

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[–] BeeTrace 12 years ago

lol yea clearly the OP doesn't realize that this was based on a true story

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[–] tlsnyder42-1 12 years ago

Agreed.

Also, Charlton Heston wasn't really Jewish when they cast BEN-HUR. Also, I don't think he ever served in the military, yet he played many military leadership roles. It's called acting, I think.

I guess Fernando Lamas or Ricardo Montalban could have played in TOUCH OF EVIL, but I still like Heston's performance a lot in that movie, which included Akim Tamiroff, another Non-Mexican, as the slimy Mexican crime leader. I can't imagine that movie without the great Akim, who was Armenian.

Finally, I believe CASA is Will Ferrell's own personal project, so why wouldn't he want to star as the goofy hero in it? With such a big star, it allows a mainstream audience in the USA and Canada to see a movie featuring Hispanic actors in other major roles. Being offended by having Will Ferrell star as the Mexican hero is just inane. It's a comment fueled by some kind of arcane, pseudo-intellectual, extreme cultural/political ideology, not aesthetics, logic, or truth.

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[–] Studman_Productions 12 years ago

it is funny but sadly the joke owuld not work or even be attempted the other way around.

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[–] hoboboxerjoe 12 years ago

been played around, quite often, in fact. There was even the fairly big budget movie with one of the billion and a half Wayans brothers in it called "White Chics" or something like that. Where two black men play two white college-age girls. How's that for breaking the rules?

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[–] squirmy_monkey 12 years ago

Actually this is done pretty commonly in Mexican movies and soap operas. It was done in the India Maria movies to great comedic effect. The Mexican portraying the 'gringo' usually has a name like John or George, hair dyed blonde or a blonde wig, and throws in English words with an awful Mexican accent to remind the audience he's a gringo.

People need to lighten up. It's comedy, don't take it so seriously. It should be judged on whether or not it's funny, not whether it's politically correct..

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[–] goodfellas30 12 years ago

Thank God somebody pointed this out. I was afraid nobody got it...

It's such a fine line between stupid and clever.

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[–] EndlessMIkeJr 12 years ago

I think it's funny that Will Ferrell is playing a Mexican and I'm will watch this movie. That being said there aren't many Hispanic leading actors in movies so many latinos get upset like myself when there's an opportunity to have a latino lead and they put a white guy as the main guy.

I understand for business reasons you can't but in a country where latinos are second in population gives us something.

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[–] daimposter 12 years ago

I'm Mexican (American born/raised). I have a lot of issues with the extreme lack of Latinos in movies, TV and commercials. Just looks at today's TV....how many characters are latino? Latino's are the second biggest group behind whites and yet you will see more blacks and asians. Anytime they want to make a group diverse on a tv show or commercial, they first go for a black actor and second an asian actor. It's disgusting the lack of Latinos on TV and movies.

However, this movie is making fun of that. Will Ferrel is clearly not Latino and that is the joke of the movie. I have no idea how this movie will play in Spanish speaking countries, especially if they don't get the joke. It will probably seem like a stupid movie nobody will watch. Here in the US, the joke is clearly understood.

P.S. Some examples of what I mentioned (most shows don't even have a minority as the main cast):

The New Girl: Had a black guy as part of the group. He left...and was replaced by a black guy.

Happy Endings: They have a black guy and a gay guy

NCIS LA: One black guy of the two main characters

The Mentalist: Asian guy

Big Bang: asian/indian

etc...

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[–] SaveMeJeebus 12 years ago

Maybe the better actors simply aren't hispanic and hence, they are scarace on TV shows.

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[–] daimposter 12 years ago

you would think it's that easy but it's not.....because just look at print advertising. It's similar to tv and movies where they insert a black person or an asian to give diversity. There's no acting in print advertising.

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[–] drboortz 12 years ago

Who is the Asian in "The Big Bang Theory"?

"LEAVE THE GUN, TAKE THE CANNOLI."

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[–] VelouriaVolare 12 years ago

On "The Big Bang Theory," Raj Koothrappali is Asian as India is an Asian country.

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[–] Soundslikematt 12 years ago

I'm tired of people from other countries that complain a lack of their people in Hollywood films. I dont go to France and complain there aren't enough Americans in their movies. I dont complain that Bollywood films have nothing but indian people. If you want to see more Mexican's in films go watch a movie that was made in Mexico. I am Mexican myself but you'll never see me complaining when there are no Mexicans in movies.

.......come on....

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[–] daimposter 12 years ago

So you have no problem that the US 15% hispanic and 12% black but are represented on TV or movies by a fraction of that?

I'm not talking about movies in France should have Mexican's or blacks...I'm talking about movies/tv in the US don't even come close to representing their own country.

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[–] vampslayer33000 12 years ago

I don't have a problem with it. Who built Hollywood? Not minorities. Hollywood should be for the people who built it.

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[–] daimposter 12 years ago

Racist much???

Who built cars? Cars should be for the people who built it.

Who founded the US? The US should be for the people who built it.

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[–] vampslayer33000 12 years ago

If you want to buy cars, feel free. Doesn't mean you have a right to demand a place on the board of a car company because you exist here.

Same holds true for the movies. Feel free to attend and enjoy them, doesn't mean you have a right to demand a place in the movies.

You want a place in the movies? Start your own company like Tyler Perry. Then make good art instead of nonsense like Tyler Perry. Otherwise you're just leeching off the success of those who went before you.

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[–] daimposter 12 years ago

Your logic fails.

You stated "Hollywood should be for the people who built it. "

Then I counter your argument that should cars be only for those that built it.

So you reply:

"Same holds true for the movies. Feel free to attend and enjoy them, doesn't mean you have a right to demand a place in the movies. "

Now you changed it. Attending and enjoying is irrelevant to the discussion. And I did not demand a place in the movies, so again, it's irrelevant to what you stated earlier.

And if you had a brain, you would see that my original reply was to soundslikematt. He stated "I'm tired of people from other countries that complain a lack of their people in Hollywood films. I dont go to France and complain there aren't enough Americans in their movies." He, like you, had a horrible case or analogy. There aren't many Americans in France so why would you expect many Americans in French movies?

But getting back to the subject, it appears you have no problem if every movie and every tv show was 100% white....since 'they' created Hollywood. You do know that sounds like an ignorant implied comment, right? Hey, not only should hollywood not hire minorities....but how about the auto industry? Should be all white right? Or the tech industry? Should be all white right? Nothing wrong if they did that since 'they created' that industry.

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[–] vampslayer33000 12 years ago

I haven't changed anything.

You said cars should be for the people who built it.

I said, no, people who built the car companies are free to sell cars to anybody they want. Doesn't mean they should put anybody on their boards just because they buy cars.

As in Hollywood, people who built it are free to sell tickets to anybody they want. It does not mean that people have a right to a place in movies or their companies.

But getting back to the subject, it appears you have no problem if every movie and every tv show was 100% white

It's certainly their right to do so. It's certainly better than having a token character stuck into a cast just to insulate them from cricism. I would rather see natural casting than token casting, that's certainly true.

So you have no problem that the US 15% hispanic and 12% black but are represented on TV or movies by a fraction of that?

You're the one who can't stay focused. Your original said:

So you have no problem that the US 15% hispanic and 12% black but are represented on TV or movies by a fraction of that?

The answer is no, as I said in the first post. They haven't shown themselves to be as talented as their white counterparts either in terms of acting, writing, directing. They haven't built the movie companies so don't deserve 15-27% spots from that perspective, either. No, it's not a problem not having 15-27% of the spots on TV or movies taken up by less talented cast members. Not to say there aren't the 10% (as looked at under a normal curve) of minority members in Hollywood are quite talented. But the vast majority of them are not as talented as their white counterparts.

You need to be able to slow down and learn to read and comprehend.

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[–] jmrapp 12 years ago

Jews built hollywood. Jews are minorities. QED all movies should be for jews

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[–] daimposter 12 years ago

WTF? You're point makes no sense.

My statement was that Hollywood movies/tv is no where near representative of the US. Why would there be many Americans in French and Bollywood movies? There are hardly any Americans there. Imagine a Cuban movie/tv industry where 90%+ are white Cubans even though black and mixed people make up 35% of the population.

Think a little. It helps a lot.

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[–] vampslayer33000 12 years ago

I'm Mexican (American born/raised). I have a lot of issues with the extreme lack of Latinos in movies, TV and commercials. Just looks at today's TV....how many characters are latino? Latino's are the second biggest group behind whites and yet you will see more blacks and asians.

Please boycott the shows and stop watching them and commenting on them.

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[–] shinebox0406 12 years ago

Unfortunately for the latino community, they actually look kind of too similar to white people. It's very possible there are many latino actors or white hispanic actors being cast but they just kind of look like a tan white guy. Louis CK is a big comedian, looks like a pale redheaded guy but he's totally mexican. Born and grew up in mexico, had a mexican father and polish mother (if I remember correctly) and talks about how everybody is surprised to learn that.

All that aside though, every minority group loves to cry about how they just aren't represented enough and are always spat upon. Meanwhile other minority groups say how they're wrong and that THEY are the true downcast minority. Whatever, I think gays, latins, blacks, and asians, are doing extremely well as far as being visually represented considering how much time they would truly get on screen if things were mathematically and statistically divided according to race.

What I find more disturbing is how Hollywood itself preaches about race relations, panders to minorities, and goes out of its way to PROVE just how diverse they are all the while they make movies about oppressed black people with the obligatory lone white savior that can see past skin color and save this helpless ignorant black person out. White audiences love that kind of thing and can identify with it, rather than seeing an all black cast play out an all black story about them overcoming their own problems, in their own ways, in their own community.

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[–] daimposter 12 years ago

Louis CK is a quarter Mexican. His father was born in Mexico to a Hungarian Jew and a Mexican while his mother is American-Irish. Most Mexican's don't look like Louis CK. The white Mexicans tend to look like Antonio Banderas (i.e. Spanish).

Your second paragraph is HORRIBLY incorrect. So bad, I think you purposely lied. Hispanics make up about 16% of the population....do you honestly think they represent about 16% of the tv characters in primetime? They actually make up between 4% to 6% each year. Whites make up 77% of primetime characters leaving only 23% for all minorities (blacks being by far the largest minority group in tv characters).

There is less than 16% of the shows that features even one Hispanic as a regular character. Top rated shows:

NCIS
NCIS: LA
Big Bang Theory
The Mentalist
Modern Family
Two and half Men
2 Broke Girls
How I Met Your MOther
Mike & MOlly

How many of those shows even have one hispanic main character?

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[–] dragon_x 12 years ago

I understand for business reasons you can't but in a country where latinos are second in population gives us something.

You can have Emilio Estevez and Charlie Sheen... we will keep Martin :P
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Sheen

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[–] I_donthavefb_lol 12 years ago

Was it ever in good health?

Way to miss the whole point of the film, OP

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[–] martytamu27 12 years ago

at least someone gets it...thank you.

i'm amazed daily, well not amazed so much anymore, at how people miss the point on everything and warp things to fit their own selfish way of thinking or just seeing what they want to see.

this film was true comedic art.

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[–] DisturbedPixie 12 years ago

haha, thank you for the wake up call. The joke is they had to teach him to speak Spanish for this. It's awkward and ridiculous. Will Ferrell is the king of awkward comedy.

I'm probably not going to watch it, cuz I have real foreign films to watch. But to each their own.

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[–] chicago85 12 years ago

There are lots of examples of actors playing another race. One that comes to mind is the Puerto Rican actor Henry Darrow. He was born Enrique Tomas Delgado and found himself frozen out of roles in Hollywood sight unseen. He changed his name to Darrow and played anglos. One of his biggest roles was as Manolito Montoyo in the tv series The High Chapparal. He also replaced Efrem Zambalist, jr in Zorro.

In Melvin Peebles' movie Watermelon Man, Godfrey Cambridge, plays a bigoted white man who finds himself turned into a black man.

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[–] Shattered_Wake 12 years ago

Do you not realize that's the damn joke?

-AP3-

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[–] JohnnyLoad 12 years ago

Hey is everyone here on this thread stupid or just plain stoopieed?

I just wanted to join that's all

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[–] cgikorita 12 years ago

Damn, because this is Will Ferell - he is funny.
Oh, how about Nacho Libre? Jack Black was there.

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[–] bradme 12 years ago

There are white Hispanic people - Will Ferrel is not one of them.

Having just written a paper on the subject, I agree completely with the OP. Hollywood fears that white audiences won't go see a movie without white people in it. (http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=080725061939.qkti45ek)

However, I'm still excited for this movie regardless. It's gonna be amazing

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[–] sad-989-416571 12 years ago

Different and more liberal time.

How do we know for an absolute fact that hard work never killed anyone?

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[–] debrah-nava 11 years ago

All this racist BS... is going to be over in a few generations anyway... the argument is already becoming irrelvant as our races continue to mix. I'm a daughter of a Native American man (from the Rez-Full Blooded Indian) and a Spanish woman. So, I'm half Spanish & half Mandan/Sioux. I married a Mexican man, both my kids look totally white, with hazel/green eyes, brown hair, tan skin. They look a little hispanic but more white. As they go on to have their children, I'm sure they'll have mixed race children... Americans are just that... a cocktail of mixed races. We really need to over what is and isn't racist and just embrace our 'American-ness'.

'those who were seen dancing were thought insane by those who could not hear the music'-Nietzsche

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[–] cinesimonj 12 years ago

This aspect of the film is poking fun at racism for goodness sake.
Grow a brain.

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[–] cinesimonj 12 years ago

You've written a paper on it, yet you actually don't get that the 'gringo-as-hispanic' character is a large part of the joke?
It's poking fun at racism, child.
Get a grip.

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[–] spmaher91 12 years ago

... You do know that Will Ferrell is producing this movie right? It isn't Hollywood that made Will Ferrell the star... it was Will Ferrell.

Besides the obvious joke of a white American playing the lead, this whole film is just another one of Will Ferrell's attempts at comedy.. not a serious piece of Mexican Cinema. If it was meant to be a serious film about Mexicans then they would cast a Mexican lead (or at least Antonio Banderas lol). But then again, Hollywood wouldn't bother making a film like that nowadays anyway.

Sadly this is the closest thing to art that Hollywood is willing to spew out.

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[–] cory-628-26410 12 years ago

It isn't as though though Andrew Steele wrote this with the intent to have an all Hispanic cast and then Will Ferrel came in to an open casting call and they thought "Finally, a white guy who would be perfect for this part!" Andrew Steele is friends with Ferrel, the movie was written for him, as others have said, AS A JOKE!

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[–] sacknballs 12 years ago

Its like Jack Black in Nacho Libre... clearly he's not mexican and that schtick made the move 10x funnier. Nothing new, it's just for laughs - nothing racist about it.

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