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The double standard of race still perpetuates (spoilers).


Shouldn't the couple have been equally disgusted with the tour guide's description of how Chinese and Korean men get castrated in their country as they were with the tour guide's racist story towards black people?

I actually felt like walking out of the movie when the tour guide started to describe how people in China and Korea castrate their men. Whether the story, meaning the film, is a work of fiction or not, the fact that whoever wrote the script could come up with dialogue so seethingly full of racist hatred and emasculation toward Asian men made me sick to my stomach. Did you not think that Asian people would see your movie? Or just your typical indie-film crowd whose demographic is usually predominantly white?


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The fact that you are such a drama queen and literally have to go fishing for racism in a movie, out of context, and meant as part of the script... wow. Stay home.

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@gregg-67 Are you even part of a racial minority or a group that's subject to discrimination? If you are, then please, do tell us, how do you deflect racial stereotyping? And If you're not part of a marginalized group in society, be it through race, gender, or sexual orientation, then you have utterly no business telling me I was fishing for racism in this film.

Oh and you're telling me to stay at home? You certainly have a lot of time on your hands to be telling complete strangers on imdb that they're drama queens.

Anyways, I stand by my opinion. Hollywood's double standard when it comes to racial stereotyping persists unfortunately and this film, which comes from the independent film community who regards itself as a liberal thinking establishment by the way, represents that double standard.

Anyone who would like to have a healthy debate about that and who actually has seen the film and knows the scene which I'm referring to, please, feel free to talk about it with me via this thread.

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What were they supposed to do? The fact is most Russians and probably Caucasians are mildly racist. Do you really think it was their role to lecture their guide on equality? Especially given the language barrier, that was impossible. Give it up.

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I respect your right to be offended by the scenes in question, and I understand that I may have a different perspective being that I'm not part of the group in question, but I think there's a difference between the representation and the act of racism. In the scene you're referring to, the guide was telling a joke. It was a bad joke which the guide told very poorly (which took so long to deliver, it stopped seeming like a joke), but it was the equivalent of if a Mobster told a Polish joke in an organized crime film. It demonstrated the tensions between the Georgian/Chinese people and presented the guide's simple, unfiltered attitude. It was also evident that Alex and Nica were uncomfortable but didn't want to impose political correctness upon the man who was keeping them alive out there. If you didn't catch it, the punchline was that the Doctor had all the men stand in a line and slapped their testicles against each other like a set of Newton Balls. That wouldn't actually be an effective method of castration.

I also thought the joke played into the theme of masculinity. It needn't have been at the expense of the Chinese, but that was just the premise to broach the subject of castration. Later, when Alex reacts to the man with the gun, the question is should we judge him by his immediate reaction, cowering behind Nina (his lack of "balls" so to speak) or his calculated reaction, pushing Nina behind himself and offering his head to the gunman? Not that the castration joke directly comments on this situation, but it plays into the underlying theme. After the altercation, Alec is timid and docile, like the proverbial castrated male, and his relationship fell into question. Was this a necessary consequence of his reaction or is it the burden of socially imposed gender roles?



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@chrisrocknroll Hey man, I just wanted to start off by saying that I really appreciate the thoughtfulness and sensitivity that went into your comment. And when I look at that scene in the context of what the filmmaker was trying to say about issues of masculinity and the roles that females expect from their male counterparts, especially in the face of the life or death situation the onscreen couple faced, which require as the spanish say "cojones" from males to step up to the plate and be chivalrous, sure, it makes me look at that scene from a different light and see that it was created with artistic and philanthropic intentions in mind.

However, my feelings do remain somewhat mixed. Now even though I appreciate what you said and can see the scene from that light, maybe the fact that you aren't part of a minority group as you yourself have stated makes you more accepting or perhaps lax about the scene in question or that fact that you've revealed about yourself slightly hinders the ability to see it as something that, consciously or unconsciously, perpetuates negative sexual stereotyping of Asian males.

See the thing is, I didn't hear what you heard from the story he told the tourists about the "Doctor having all the men stand in a line and slapped their testicles against each other like a set of Newton Balls". I heard something way more abrasive towards the end of the Georgian tour guide's story which is that castration took place by asian men putting each other's penises in each other's mouths and biting. That's what I heard and what I'm reacting negatively to. There's also an emasculation aspect to it that I can only take offense to and I'm sure other Asian men would agree with me. Even though I see what you're saying about the film being a sort of meditation on masculinity and or man's inhumanity to man if you will, I just don't think it was necessary to go there.

And if it is okay to go there, well then I ask you this: how many films have you seen where someone who isn't African-American comes out in blackface say in a dramatic movie that dealt with racism and or slavery?

You can come up with an equally valid argument that by doing a scene like that in a film that dealt with what black people have struggled with that a filmmaker is making a case against racism. But the thing is, I think a movie with a scene like that would have a very hard time getting financed, finding a distributor, or even being released. Yet by going to that extreme in this film it's "okay" since it's done for artistic purposes or is making a statement about masculinity or gender roles?

It's a double standard to expect one group of people to just accept negative racial stereotyping in the media and encourage them to view that negative representation as being artistically motivated and then to turn around and completely protect another group from any negative stereotyping whatsoever. That's what I'm talking about. It's almost like there's this hierarchy in Hollywood as to which racial groups it's okay to poke fun at and which racial groups it isn't okay to poke fun at and we, ie people of Asian descent, seem to be close to or at the very bottom of that hierarchy.

Anyways, I wish everyone can be just as sensitive and as thoughtful as you are in regards to the scene in question. But I think it will probably make people chuckle more or get grossed out and possibly make them think the worst, that castration of that nature actually exists in Asia, rather than encourage them to scratch their chins and connect the scene to the film's grander statement about gender roles and masculinity.

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Racial stereotyping does not occur in a vacuum. The basis for the stereotyping does, in fact, exist within the group being stereotyped. E,g, stupid, lazy, weak, corrupt, manner of speech, etc.

By the way, when I was growing up there was a very similar joke making the rounds about how to make a 2-week camel out of a 1-week camel.

God might, I won't.
-JCVD

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castration took place by asian men putting each other's penises in each other's mouths and biting
That is what he said, but it was the testicles they were biting, not penises.

I think you had a good answer from chrisrockandroll on the function of the story in the film, which was not related to racism and I can think of other ways in which it is symbolic but there's little point sharing that because you are caught in the offense/insult you feel.

All I will say is that racism and racist attitudes prevail, always have and always will. Regarding the film you have to decide if you trust the film maker's motives or not. If you don't then there's no point discussing it.
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