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To those who have seen the film...*SPOILERS*


How exactly did the guy come off as a coward? I haven't seen it so could you describe the pivotal scene in detail please?


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Since your question has sat here for five days without a reply, I figured I'd answer it even though I haven't seen the movie, but instead have read a review that discussed the pivotal scene.

The review says that, when the main characters are camping at one point, two men with AK-47s enter their camp and one of them points his rifle at them. The male protagonist, getting in touch with his inner George Costanza, shoves his fiance/girlfriend in front of himself to use as a human shield. However, he quickly realizes how bad that maneuver was, and presses his head against the barrel of the gun to make up for it. The guys let them live and one of them gives the male protagonist dark sunglasses, almost as a hint that he's going to live his life in shame after what he did.

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I'll explain it, since I actually saw it, unlike the dolt that replied.

In every relationship, there's that benchmark (albeit fictional) of "would you take a bullet for me"?

So when the guy gets a gun pointed at a dome, he uses her as a human shield, then quickly steps in front.

It's basically a decision that reveals that he's a spineless b--ch. The spinelessness doesn't end there. This boring movie then drags on and on in awkward silence, and he makes no effort to communicate at all.

I give the marriage three months tops. It's a long character study of two unattractive people with questionable teeth, who have ZERO foundation for a relationship.



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i still dont see cowardice here...i do da same in a heart beat but then dat may explained why im single at da moment.

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Slight correction:

They come across an old man and two young teenage boys on the trail. The man has a large gun, (not an AK47) the guide and the the old man have what seems as a heated discussion and one of the teenage boys jumps in, he keeps motioning to the girl but we don't know what he is saying..

all of a sudden the old man points the rifle directly at the couple. In an instant the boyfriend grabs the girl and moves her in front of himself, hiding behind her.

He realizes that this was a bitch move then flips her behind him. She cowers behind him as the the old man points the gun and holds the barrel against the young man's forehead.

The guide whispers something and reaches up and slowly lowers the gun.

The old man laughs a little (like it was a joke) and hands the boyfriend a pair of sunglasses.

The boyfriend is shaking and tries to "pay" for the sunglasses with his bracelet but the old man would not accept it.

The two groups walk in seperate directions down the trial.

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- There are a lot of ways to describe that scene, but it's not fair to describe it without seeing it first (the whole movie), like the "dude" above did (no hard feelings)...

- and about that scene there can be some different explanations to it:

a) the boy (ALEX) just does that move naturally, a natural reflection, he just doesn't have time to think twice, as his own ass is on danger... so he does the chicken for the second and then he recognizes what he has done...

b) he's simply "a coward".

c) the situation is a bit weird, since the man with two small boys and the guide are talking and then arguing about something in an unknown language for the two leads (ALEX & NICA)(and for us too) , and then the stranger just points the gun to them, so he's not fully aware of what's really happening or what's the problem with the stranger... so that action of him could be as a result of the "odd atmosphere" or "the element of surprise".

- there is another scene in the movie (later) that would help you resolve your question but i don't want to spoil it, but i'll give you a hint "while they're crossing the river"...something goes on... that will help you to find the answer.

PS: I must also let you know that this movie is an ambitious one, it's about human nature which Julia Loktev (the director) decided to explore on the nature itself. So if you like the work of the likes of Herzog or Malick or Tarkovskiy you won't find it hard to watch this one... but if not don't even bother.

Cheers !!!

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The gun was intentionally aimed at her forehead, not his, it's not his fault the gun was intentionally aimed at her foreheadHe was partially behind her when the gun was aimed at her foreheadTo stand fully erect to "stand his ground" he had two choices: slightly slide behind her or push her to the side altogether; pushing her to the side is Action which might have triggered the gunman to shootHe slid fully behind her with his hands firmly on her shoulders, as if she was a child, and a female child to boot, that he was offering up for a sacrifice, but the maneuveur was was subtle challenge to the farmer with the gun: gunman, would you dare shoot a woman, especially a woman who physically appears to be childlike?What he did was much more complicated then merely using her as a human shield: standing behind her with his hands firmly on her shoulders was in itself an act of defiance (would you dare to shoot a woman/child) and that act of defiance was his weaponShe was the coward from beginning to end because she played the role of weak child martyr who needed taking care of while at the same trying to prove that the contradiction of her age versus her childlike physique was proof of her worldly experienceHe took care of her from beginning to end, even during that brief second when he offered her up as a sacrifice because the act of offering her up was an act of defiance and a challenge to the gunmanAfter that key scene is another key scene, the crossing of a riverlet, which I feel is the true pivotal scene because it's a scene in which Bernal's character keeps his back turned on her when she's about to cross a riverlet, he refuses to babytalk her through the simple crossing, he intentionally keeps his back turned on her knowing she'll fall (because she can't do anything with a hint of risque unless somebody holds her hand, she can't even remove a mote from her eye, it takes Bernal and the guide to remove the mote....... ) and predictably she falls in and predictably she wails and cries like a child and refuses to get up and wade across the river like an adult.....The coward is the woman because she expected everybody to do everything for her, and even after the fall in the river - her life flashing before her eyes for a second time, the fall in the water a metaphor for purification/rebirth/baptism - she failed to grow up and learn her lesson and feigned naivety, there was no rebirth or redemption for her, not even when she spurned the guide because she opened the door for the guide to make a pass at her, she pretended to be surprised he took the bait and pretended to act surprised when he kissed her on the mouth then launched into yet another temper tantrum after she not only allowed him to kiss her but kissed him back.She (the character) was a piece of work, the actress who played her was phenomenal and should have been nominated for an Oscar for Best Lead Actress

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As ever, an interesting take on the dynamics of the relationship TemporaryOne. It's true that Alex had possession of Nica when he moved her in front of the old Georgian man but I didn't perceive the challenge in it. It's true also that she seemed to need help throughout the film, which she tried to spurn on occasion, but I felt a bit more compassion for her, especially her physical shaking after she fell in the river, than you did.

Edit: As an aside, isn't her plight that of some, may be many, modern women? Wanting equality but uncertain of the parameters of that and then realising the loss in their relationship with men as a result. Not knowing how to restore what's lost and find a balance they are victims of the populist ideas of sexual equality. I would say that in the film Alex is victim to some of those ideas too.

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wow wow wow for the nomination especially for the squatting....

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interesting takes on this.

For me tho the key thing, which the film was saying was not whether the guys behaviour was questionable in the moment but the lack of communication thereafter.

Likewise I got the impression the guide character had not been able to talk about his troubles until getting drunk with the girl. When he was finally able to do so, a torrent of emotion came out which he couldnt handle.

its a only a lonely planet when we arent able to open up and communicate.

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For me tho the key thing, which the film was saying was not whether the guys behaviour was questionable in the moment but the lack of communication thereafter.

Likewise I got the impression the guide character had not been able to talk about his troubles until getting drunk with the girl. When he was finally able to do so, a torrent of emotion came out which he couldnt handle.

its a only a lonely planet when we arent able to open up and communicate.

Good point. I suspect that the communication problems were there before the incident and this is why in its aftermath theyare unable to speak directly.
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For me tho the key thing, which the film was saying was not whether the guys behaviour was questionable in the moment but the lack of communication thereafter.


Good post. I agree about the lack of communication, but it sure doesn't make for an interesting film when no one is communicating properly or characters are speaking in a foreign language which is not translated.

I got more out of reading the different posts here than from watching the film.







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Go back and watch it again. The gun was aimed at him (not her) and he deliberately moves her in front of himself and into the path of the gun. He doesn't crouch behind her as if behind a tree or a rock. Was it instinctual? Quite possibly and that's the whole point of the film - what does it say about your relationship when your boyfriend's natural gut reaction is to put your life on the line before his own?

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Now, lets reverse gender roles in that scene......................

The gun is first, momentarily pointed at her.

She puts him before her as a barrier, then realizes her action and puts herself first, and so it,s her looking down the barrel of the bullet and standing her ground until the gun is removed, with him shielded, behind.

Okay?

So.... she might be seen from her last action as being something of a brave young woman wouldn,t she, regardless of her first momentary action.?

And Although placed in front of her first, as she ended up in front of him,and for much longer, he would have walked away as looking a bit of a wimp.

We have a very sexist idea still in how we expect gender roles to react. It,s always interesting to reverse roles.....to see how different we really do, still perceive them. It changes things rather alot.

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Temporary-One, You make me want to see the movie as well as check out your other posts.

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