What were the verbs being conjugated while Alex and his girl were walking? It sounded like Spanish but I know a bit of Spanish myself and couldn't recognize most of the forms she was saying. Any help?
shareIt`s spanish... I Speak spanish but the problem here is that I don`t remember now about the verbs... I must watch the film again to help you, but I didn`t like this movie at all.
shareThe conjugations were in preterite tense, if you haven't learned that you wouldn't recognize them.
shareThe conjugations were in preterite tenseWhich is very significant in the film. As were the verbs Alex suggested afterwards: listened and heard.
Away with the manners of withered virginsshare
glad you found it significant at least it was not wasted on everybody, I imagine you also enjoyed the whole things...I envy you :)
shareI enjoyed the film if that's what you mean. Unlike others I appreciated the relationship it carved out in a most subtle way. The preterite tense was significant because, like the conjugations, an event at a specific point in the past occurs between them. After this event everything is changed. You ask why they would do the verb conjugations at all: It was a rhythmic activity, like walking, in which they could connect in the moment but also in their relationship; she learning his language. It was all about that connection. She tries to restore it later, after the seminal event, but it doesn't connect them or work at the same rhythm as it did before.
Away with the manners of withered virginsshare
Verb conjugations cast somewhat aside...
The past does not matter, it exists only in our memory and as such, it is immutable, unless you either have a bad recollection or you are a good liar.
The future does not matter either, it exists only in our hopes and our dreams. Complex outcomes can not thus be absolutely predicted, only imagined.
The only time that matters, is NOW. We can act NOW. We can decide NOW. We can choose NOW. We can live NOW.
Nica's excruciatingly long silent treatment of, and distancing herself from, Alex was far more damaging, brutally intentional and unnecessarily cruel than anything Alex did to her.
"If people like you don't learn from what happened to people like me..." -Professor Rohl
The past does not matter, it exists only in our memory and as such, it is immutableNonsense! Memory is a way of framing past events in order to make experience. Everything is mutable including events viewed as fact in our recall.
The future does not matter either, it exists only in our hopes and our dreams. Complex outcomes can not thus be absolutely predicted, only imaginedI guess that if one doesn't care for hopes and dreams then the future doesn't matter but most people do, so the future is significant to others if not yourself. It's unremarkable that the future is unpredictable.
The distance is nothing. The first step is the hardest.share
Perhaps I should have framed my prior response within the constructs of Loneliest Planet.
Alex's mistake (if it can even be called that) took but a moment to make. A sudden reflex moment and he immediately corrected it, to the best of his ability.
Nica's tantrum (if it can even be called that!) lasted for ages.
If one considers Alex's action pivotal (as some have described it here) then Nica's reaction threw the relationship completely off it's axis, turned the lights off, set the alarm and left the building.
Loneliest Planet attempts to demonstrate the debris field following any mundane action.
Can you imagine that feeling you'd get when you've run out of a staple and decide to run a late night errand to replenish your creamer or what have you only to find yourself laying face down on the floor of the convenience market while it is being robbed. You tell yourself over and over, why didn't I wait until tomorrow? I didn't even need creamer tonight. Damn!
So yeah as humans we thrive on hopes and dreams, but these can both be dashed by something as insignificant as a pebble in our path or as overwhelming as a speeding bus whose path in which we inextricably find ourselves.
Alex reacted. Nica committed.
Having stared down the barrel of someone else's weapon several times in my life (once as close as Alex!) I can attest to the fact that it is no easy feat to remain stoic, not knowing what the next instance may bring, despite any well thought-out plans, hopes and dreams for the future.
Added to Alex's reaction is the fact that it's implied he didn't have any idea what the conversation (argument?) was about leading up to the stand-off.
I didn't either and imagined from the gesturing and order of the exchanges that the young boy wanted to take the red-headed woman for his wife. (subtitles would've helped tremendously here, if you ask me!) His uncle then decided that he could dispatch the man and his nephew and the woman would have many red-headed children.
Obviously, this was not the conversation that was going-on, but imagine what Alex was thinking as this unfolded. He had no idea other than the dynamics of the movements, gestures and threatening sounds, but absolutely no idea about the content. The guide could've offered an in line translation, but he didn't. Not then and to our knowledge, not later either.
Afterwards, Alex was helpless and could not change the past (immutable)
After Nica's posturing, their future was questionable (unpredictable) also.
Had her reaction been different, perhaps the future could've remained unaffected (at least by this incident) but she solidified and reinforced her disappointment (and Alex's subsequent torture) by staying the course far too long.
An action to which she firmly committed.
Sorry OP for the thread hijack!
"If people like you don't learn from what happened to people like me..." -Professor Rohl
Thank you for the interesting reply; most of which I agree with, as per my previous posts.
Afterwards, Alex was helpless and could not change the past (immutable)This is the bit that I question: what had occurred could not be undone but how it was experienced and interpreted in their relationship afterwards could alter its meaning. The fact that Alex descends into a helpless and speechless sort of guilt says much about him and their relationship. Likewise Nica's response into a wordless punisher whilst suffering rather than processing the emotional aftermath says much about her and their relationship.
After Nica's posturing, their future was questionable (unpredictable) also.
The distance is nothing. The first step is the hardest.share
Nica's excruciatingly long silent treatment of, and distancing herself from, Alex was far more damaging, brutally intentional and unnecessarily cruel than anything Alex did to her.
same here this got me puzzled, perhaps they used the futur tense even so it did not seem to add up
if I remember correctly it should have been
oigo oyes oye.... I went to
http://www.verbolog.com/0oir.htm
And it seems that it is the Pretérito perfecto simple (antes Pretérito indefinido) (Pretérito)
Why on earth did they do this, perhaps like they did everything else