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What's the point?

posted 12 years ago by WendyTess
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I just watched the first episode and i'm a little confused. I don't understand the point of this movie. Half the characters are fictional and most of the facts aren't true. Thomas Andrews was nothing like the character portrayed in this film. He pushed for fair wages for his employees. Also Titanic spared no expense when it came to building.. Mark never existed and neither did Neves character. The only thing different between the way Cunard built their ships was the rivets, but even so Titanic was built with some of the same rivets as well. So I'm just wondering is this just a fictional movie that uses Titanic as a backdrop, or are they trying to make the story of building the ship more interesting? Not bashing the movie by any means, so far it's interesting. I'm just wondering where they are going with it.

[–] JordanCarrington 12 years ago

1. It's a television mini-series, not a movie.
2. All I heard was "WHINGE, WHINGE, WHINGE!"

[–] WendyTess 12 years ago

1. Why reply if you have nothing to say.
2. It's a simple conversation. Isn't that that the point of these message boards?
3. Mini-Series, movie, whatever.

[–] 12 years ago

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[–] Janiecraine 12 years ago

Thats pretty much all I heard too.

[–] amym_9_30_99 12 years ago

1.WHY
2.DON'T
3.YOU
4.LEARN
5.TO
6.SPELL
7.W-H-I-N-E
8.IT
9.DOESN'T
10.HAVE
11.A
12.G

[–] JordanCarrington 12 years ago

And this, my dear...

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/whinging

...is how you just got owned.

You're welcome =]

[–] WendyTess 12 years ago

"Just got owned" what are you 12? Looking at your other posts, I can tell you're not far from it. Either way, I appreciate your intelligent input to my post and I hope we can have another meaningful discussion about a movie....errrr MINI-SERIES sometime. But I have regretfully stop entertaining your posts here because I am afraid I might kill off some brain cells. So again, thank you for your slightly humorous attempt to insult me, I hope it made you feel a little better about yourself, in some small way. No go watch Jack and Rose again, and kiss Leo on your Titanic poster before you to bed tonight.

[–] JordanCarrington 12 years ago

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It appears that we got a badass over here...

Do me a favour, go play the blood violin and admit that you're butthurt.

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[–] exferryguy 8 years ago

"i'll never let go,Jack!" :)

[–] Soodinum 10 years ago

Whinge is a word, you fool. What a fail.

[–] EternalDarkness101 9 years ago

What a stupid misuse of an unneeded letter. Good thinG the Americans improved the spellinG of that British mistake. Now that was a wing!

[–] JordanCarrington 9 years ago

You're replying to a two-year-old post? Jesus Christ, lad...

We write the story...

[–] andyvanm 12 years ago

Amen,just like the movie this mini series made up people and facts . The real people and the real Titanic are far more interesting then any writer has come up with so far. Maybe by the 150th anniversary they will figure it out . This mini series was nice to look at ,but most of the time it was as boring as watching paint dry.

[–] JordanCarrington 12 years ago

I think it's time that a new 12-part miniseries was produced. However, it should just involve historical characters and interweave their stories without any introduction of fictional characters. Episode 1-4 should focus on the construction to sea trials with the involvement of the political and religious conflicts. Episode 5-8 should focus on the First, Second, Third Class passengers and the Crew. Episode 9-10 should focus on the sinking to the rescue. Episode 11-12 should focus on the survivor disembarkation to the British/American Inquiries to the wreck being discovered. Each episode 1-8 and 10-12 should be 60 minutes each (excluding commercials) and episode 9 should be 90 minutes (excluding commercials) because it's the episode of the Titanic's demise. However, the only problem is that we don't have an accurate record of what happened or what was being said prior to the collision. The only thing the writer could do is create dialogue and scenarios involving the historical characters without tarnishing them.

[–] prometheus1816 11 years ago

I just watched the first episode and i'm a little confused. I don't understand the point of this movie. Half the characters are fictional and most of the facts aren't true. Thomas Andrews was nothing like the character portrayed in this film. He pushed for fair wages for his employees. Also Titanic spared no expense when it came to building.. Mark never existed and neither did Neves character. The only thing different between the way Cunard built their ships was the rivets, but even so Titanic was built with some of the same rivets as well. So I'm just wondering is this just a fictional movie that uses Titanic as a backdrop, or are they trying to make the story of building the ship more interesting? Not bashing the movie by any means, so far it's interesting. I'm just wondering where they are going with it.

Everything you've said here is the exact reason I can't or couldn't get engaged in this series. JP Morgan as an obese piece of crap, and the extra characters didn't even fit into the historical perspective. Yeah, so what, James Cameron inserted Jack, Rose, Ruth, Cal and Lovejoy into the mix in the film, but he stuck to the actual history of the events. This series was jsut too damn boring and for the most part Thomas Andrews was portrayed as an extra. He was the damn ship! The stuff with the guy who had the child wasn't even interesting. Titanic IS the series, yet as you said she was used as nothing but a backdrop. I've tried to get into it but it's left me with a huge feeling of meh.

"Sometimes my ruminations are too confusing for someone not inside my head." -Anon

[–] OnlyRocknRoll 11 years ago

I don't think they are going anywhere. The series ends at the point where everyone knows where the Titanic went and what happened to those who were not in "first class".

Yeah, it is TOTAL FICTION.

BTW, to some other stupid person, not you: Whinge is BRITISH, Whine is the
USA version of "English".

I had the same controversy MANY years ago with another unread person who did not know that GAWP is British and GAWK is USA.
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[–] kitcomkiba 11 years ago

I thought it was to bring life to all the individual people involved... the workers, builders, businessman and women. It has its inaccuracies as well as its inadequacies but so do many films.

[–] wickedialogue 11 years ago

Perhaps. But to round them all up as passengers on the doomed ship was a bit much. They could have included one episode at a follow up "board" meeting after the sinking just to provide the viewer with some reward for continued viewing. I can't remember a mini so poorly ended.

[–] Soodinum 10 years ago

This thread has proved more entertaining than the show.

'Then' and 'than' are completely different words and have completely different meanings.

[–] PeteRose 10 years ago

The original post posed a serious and realistic question. This was something I was also wondering after watching the first episode: what's the point? So instead of being a normal human being and responding to stimuli, JordanCarrington decides that wasting other people's time is a the best use of his. Jordan, if you can't, and I stress the word can't, contribute anything meaningful to a discussion, then why open your stupid hole? "Whinging" or not, this entire thread would have benefited from you saying nothing, and then maybe someone who could actually respond to the relevant question posed would be willing to chime in. As it sits, instead of promoting discussion, you squashed it. Maybe your own ego-driven tangents would be more appropriately discussed in your after school therapy sessions.

I asked it of Julius Caesar. I demand it of you!

[–] PeteRose 10 years ago

So yes, why make a show where the main character is a fictional person who has a prominent role in the construction of the ship? Movie or show or whatever, this isn't particularly compelling unless it's true, which it's not, so yeah. I like the period, and on-screen the sets and costumes are sometimes nice, the CG backdrops can be cheesy but overall isn't terrible. This would all be okay if it were historically accurate or overwhelmingly emotionally gripping, though neither is the case.

Killian, I'll be back!

[–] highpriestess32 9 years ago

I can't help but agree with you, PeteRose.

For the record I have painstakingly stuck with this for several episodes via Netflix but on its own, it can't hold my attention so I hasten to confess I have it playing on my iPad on the computer desk now in view whilst I am simultaneously computing. It is the only way I can continue to "watch" it - indirectly. I can hear all the dialogue and semi-watch but I have to say I really am personally opposed to rewriting historical events of great magnitude such as this one with the inclusion of so many ficticious characters. Or indeed blighting real characters or misrepresenting them in some way.

The Titanic's story holds great fascination even today (moreso I suspect), and among its passengers was an array of interesting, established society elitists. There is absolutely no need to trash its memory by fabricating all this nonsense. I would far better have liked to see a mini-series that delved a little more into the likes of J.J Astor and other such gentry on board.

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