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Please explain me....


I just watch the movie and enjoy it. But not to much because i didn't catch all the story.

I'm french and i use to watch movies with english subtitles (even difficult they can be, i always understand them), but this movie lost me...

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Someone killed the heroe's father or did he just died because he was hold?
What the badguy is really doing in this town? Just robbing money from people? How? He doesn't look wealthy... what is his point? What is the point of this mountain village? The badguy killed everyone in the first prayer house just to steal the money... and build a village with it and live there with ex-criminals? I don't get it... Why does he want to do that? he's a corrupted cop, why does he care about ex criminal happiness or redemption? And why did he killed everybody in the prayer house??? to puch the father to come with him? Why? the father and the prayers were already agree about the new village...

And at the end of the movie, the hero understand something about the girl... i didn't understand what it is? She killed the father?

I get the storyline, but i really miss a lot of details that the movie needs to be clear. I didn't understand the badguy. I didn't get where is the TERRIBLE thing in the plot...

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I don't think there is any great conspiracy here. The bad guy just wants to live like a king. This remote village is his private castle; everyone fears him. A lot villagers also owe him big sums of money.

The bad guy certainly lives a very simple life, but I guess he just doesn't need to show off his wealth or power.

He indeed doesn't care ex-criminal's redemption. He just needs some henchmen to do dirty work for him. He also needs the Father because the Father has the charisma to win people's trust easily.

It's suggested that the girl *might* have killed the Father (from her smile in the last scene), but since the bad guy or the girl had many opportunities to do so, I don't know why the perpetrator chose this time point; maybe s/he just realized that the Father has a son or relatives ? It's also not clear who did the prayer house massacre in the first place. It could be the badguy, the Father, or even the girl.

Anyway, the girl is the final winner, and maybe she'e the most evil among all.

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Spoiler!!!!!!!!

She killed the father. That's as clear as it can be in the end without it being insulting to the viewer. Was clearly a big ending twist, and just the fact that she called him up in the first place wouldn't be a twist, just a fact that would make sense. You're not going through the film thinking 'I wonder who called him to get him here' like you are wondering what happened to the father. The music, atmosphere and great acting at the end screams 'THIS IS A BIG DEAL' in a way revealing the random caller who hardly came up before wouldn't have been.

Seems pretty clear they're happy to see each other at the end, then he replays the call in his head. Realisation comes across his face, realisation of his realisation comes across hers, and this confirms it for him - and us - and then she has a kind of a half tragic-half sinister smile. She's not thinking an irrelevant 'oh, now he knows I did the decent thing and called him when his father died', she's realised he's realised she killed him out of desperation to change her situation. Came as a shock to me, but a pretty unambiguous revelation I thought. In the end nobody comes out of it well, as is often the case in Korean movies. She was treated awfully and saw that as her only way out, and I don't hold it against her character.

If I'd read the synopsis at the top of this film's page on imdb before watching I think I'd have been wondering who made the call and the possible implications of that throughout as it mentions it straight off in that, completely unnecessarily. I would've been unhappy to have read that and had it spoiled. Should be changed.

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Ah, 'you should watch it again'. The classic attempt to belittle. Given that I 'got all that from a look' the first time I don't see why I'd need to watch it again so soon.

Of course I based my points on 'hunches, feelings and things (I) got from "looks" and "music"' Since there was no dialogue in that exchange you might as well have said 'you based your points on watching the scene then thinking about it'.

Good job for coming on here and giving your opinion to answer the first guy's question though, rather than dismissing the opinion of someone else and offering nothing of your own. Oh, wait...

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Should I read your post again before or after I've watched the film again?

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Great, i watched the movie, and there is only one thread here and what do i have to read here?
Some kiddies insulting each other about the end.
(And i watched 24, and it is a great series)

The movie was great, sure a bit long but needed in the end.
My opinion on the "twist" or the end...

She was it.
She killed the father with the purpose to get the son there so that the son could
find everything out and in the end, after everything is solved,
take a look at where the woman stands: OVER everything, as the new ruler/King.
The house she stands on is even higher than the church down there.
*hint for her mindstate*
She got it all, she has now everything under her control.
In the end, she was the most f*c*ed up person in the village,
after all she has been through, she hasn't gone crazy like the rest?
The last picture shows her with a diabolical grin.

That's only my interpretation!

PS: Sorry for my bad english, it isn't my native language.

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I know that I'm replying to an old post here, but yeah, the phrase "you should watch it again" seems to be the standard one used in order to say "I got it and you didn't". You gave the other poster an excellent reply.

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As you have posted good answers, i shall ask you a question. A review of Moss says that the main character, the son of the dead guy, is a policeman? Is he a policeman or was he?

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I am glad I am the only one who didn't have trouble understanding that final twist. It came "way outta left field" too. So the dad was alive the whole time until the very end? He was in a hospital while the whole movie was going on? Why did everyone think he was dead if he was still alive? SMH!

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When they started to discuss who killed the people in the church, I automatically assumed it was her because after she was raped and found pregnant, the people in town ran her out.

She was always in the background aware of everything the men did. It may be that she didn't kill the father and he just died. She waited until he died to orchestrate the death of the Chief and his cronies. She wouldn't want to do it under the fathers eyes because after all he had done for her she would be letting him down. That was just my take on it. I could be wrong.

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Dad was alive thoughout the whole film until the end and was in hopital? I saw nothing that pointed to that idea. Please explain.

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She killed him after realizing that she would have to put up with the rape for him. She than called the son knowing that he would cause trouble. And at the end she ended up being the new "ruler" of the town! At least IMO.

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What a great last scene! Literally sent chills down my spine! Although I thought the movie was too long for this plot, being just shy of 3 hrs. Anyway, I enjoyed it, but definitely not the greatest, and not the worst either.

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What I got from the last scene was that Lee Young Ji was in fact the perpetrator behind the Sandok (sp) prayer house massacre. Like another commenter mentioned, the towns people ran her out of the town. She takes the town back at the end. I think this is alluded to when the stories are told by the Chief and by Young Ji about what happened. The Chief does say she lied. This is also alluded to many times through the movie by her actions and words. Also pay attention to where she is in her stories -- there is no way she could have known what father Ryu saw unless he told her. This would also make a lot of sense with the bible allusions. Eye for an eye, town for a town. She was the one who killed all those people and the one who got all of their signatures! She is the moss that quietly grew! Young Ji was the one who contacted Ryu Hae Kuk after his fathers death and made him a pawn in her game. That is the realization on his face -- that she was the quiet moss, always working behind the scenes. That is the "terrible" aspect of the film, among other aspects. The Chief commits suicide because he knows there is no way out of it. The signatures were found and he would go down for all the deaths regardless. The last thing he says before turning the gun on himself is for them to "dust" everywhere! And the interesting thing is what Young Ji says father Ryu told her about hiding the signatures (who did father Ryu think got the signatures? Who did the chief think got the signatures?). To hide something in the open. Sort of like she was hiding in the open.

I don't think it makes any sense to say that Young Ji killed the father. Why would she? The reason she had sex with the Chief and his henchmen was because that was the only way for Ryu Mok Hyeon to be kept from being killed. Why would she kill him if she did all that for him? She loved him. She followed him. When asked to kill him, she said she would not do it (but then again, that is all her story). We see that even after Ryu Mok Hyeon is dead, she keeps having sex with the Chief and his henchmen! This would perfectly play into her getting the town back all to herself when the son arrives -- and it doesn't really work if one simply says she had enough of "it," since she still does "it" after father Ryu is gone. Why would that scene even be in the film? Why does she set up her bible and the tape player for son Ryu? Why is she the one quietly leading everything to her own gain?

And the last scene is a giveaway. She is the "Chief" of the town that once banished her -- overlooking everything. She not only took father Ryu's place, but the whole town is hers.

Maybe she did also kill father Ryu, but I don't see why she would and how it makes sense. We can infer that the man was around 80 years old. He very possibly could have died from old age, the quiet moss silently growing waiting to overtake the rock. The terrible realization on son Ryu's face at the end simply implies that he was the pawn in her, the perpetrator's, game, in order to fulfill the true justice of an eye for an eye which was the machination of her mind. Do people really want to be born again? is the question. And some folks are basing their conclusions upon what the book said. This is a terrible method for film analysis. If anyone needs an example of why this is a terrible method American Psycho is a perfect one. The book and movie are alike but draw different conclusions. This goes for many books made into films. Hitchcock did that a lot with his films. So did Kubrick.

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Wait a second there. Now your post does have some valid points, but why on earth from a logic standpoint would Young Ji kill Ryu Sr. then call Ryu jr, and tell him to come to the village? For all we know she could have just found him dead and notified Ryu Jr. soon after. Also, how could she have possibly known that Ryu Jr. would solve all of the problems and bad people within the village? To me, she couldn't have killed Ryu Sr. I think he just died on his own, as for the prayer house massacre it was the chief. Due to his various disagreements with Ryu Sr. as well as his diabolical and brute stranglehold on the village, it's pretty clear that the chief carried out the plot because A. The Chief said he left a nice "surprise" in the prayer house. B. There was blood behind his ear. But contrary to that point Young Ji could have been an accomplice to the chief because the night before he asked who's side she was on. Soon after he beat her into submission so that motive is not too clear. I think that Young-ji just left clues here and there for Ryu Jr. to investigate on his own about what really happened, seeing as she couldn't directly be involved due to the chief watching her every move. So she needed a catalyst to start the investigation and what better way than for Ryu to come. Plus regardless of how his father died, Ryu was going to come to the village anyone to see the body and find out the cause of death. Realistically anyone would do the same thing. As for the ending I think Ryu was shocked because he realized that she was the one who was on the phone and that startled him, as well as when she said, "Are you gonna come?" So she wanted him to come there because that was the only chance to expose the truth of the pain and suffering the village was going through.

Great movie overall, and I didn't mind the long run time because I was into the movie all the way. Every Korean movie I've seen so far has been very good with the plot and acting.......

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Thanks, you have some great points too! I will attempt to explain myself. "A. The Chief said he left a nice "surprise" in the prayer house. B. There was blood behind his ear." Precisely, but that was a flashback of Young Ji's version of the story. She could be lying. We saw two different versions (or was it three?) of the same story, and from that final smile... "But contrary to that point Young Ji could have been an accomplice to the chief because the night before he asked who's side she was on." I agree and that is a great point. ". . . why on earth from a logic standpoint would Young Ji kill Ryu Sr. then call Ryu jr, and tell him to come to the village?" Very simple and very linear: Like you said, she "left clues here and there for Ryu," she herself "couldn't directly be involved," and Ryu was a "catalyst." But ultimately, what was Ryu a catalyst for? The final outcome was Young Ji's ownership of the village (regardless if she made it pleasant or tyrannical). Could it be that he was a pawn? Could it be that she couldn't be involved because of her involvement in crimes past? And wasn't there something about Ryu having "tigers blood" like his father? Is it possible that Young Ji inferred that as long as she got Ryu down there, he would pursue the truth at whatever cost? And is it possible that Young Ji knew that if she played the cards right, acted the right way and left the right clues, everything would fall into place -- her hands? The town would be hers again.

But I have to disagree with you when you say that Ryu Jr would have come to the village anyway. I think one of the points in the story was that once his father was already buried (or was it cremated?), Ryu wouldn't have come to the village at all because there would be no point. He would have simply visited his father's shrine. But since his father's body was still in the village, he instead came to the village to see his father ("Aren't you going to come and see him?") and started "making trouble."

And I would still need an explanation to the things I pointed out in my previous post.

Regardless of who is right, I like films that leave the ending (or plot points) up to the viewer to discern, or even interpret, and I think I have to watch this one again. Your explanation is good and may very well be. And I completely agree, Overall a great film -- cerebral even; and yes, despite having seen some bad Korean films, Korean cinema is wonderful all around! Much better than stuff from modern Hollywood, IMO. Park Hae il is a good actor, but Jeong Jae yeong and Yu Hae jin are two of my top favorites! and this was my first time seeing the beautiful Yoo Sun. If you haven't seen it, check out "Castaway on the Moon" with Jeong jae yeong. Just saw that one recently. It is a great and heartfelt film.

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Ok. One thing... how come Yong Ji automatically end up owning everything in the end?

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Young-Ji had all the evidence. Meaning she also had total access to all the legal documents. That and as a founding member of the village, she was sole beneficiary to all the property after the chief and the priest died.

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Agree with everything you said. It could be argued either way, but I believe Young-Ji killed old man Ryu. The director just didn't do a very good job of expressing and made it slightly cryptic. Otherwise, why would Hae-guk replay only the phone conversation in his head and not her bogus story about the prayer house?

Young-Ji killed the old man because she was fed up with her own situation. I truly believe she loved him, but he was old and sickly, and she had to endure disgusting sex nearly every night to keep a man in the throes of death from being killed. So, she kills him and continues to play the victim for Hae-guk.

Why else would she put him in earshot of her own room while the 3 stooges come for the usual? Why would she loudly burst outside and wash her crotch afterwards? It was all to provide ammunition for her "big reveal" about the rape and such.

Lastly, who's to say Young-ji's sob story is true at all? If she really was a victim, why do we consistently see her feeding the men and playfully turn them down the next day? If it was that way the first few times, it wasn't anymore. She'd gotten used it and saw how she could use it as a weapon.

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there is no way she could have known what father Ryu saw unless he told her. This would also make a lot of sense with the bible allusions. Eye for an eye, town for a town. She was the one who killed all those people and the one who got all of their signatures!


I just watched this movie and saw two flaws with your analysis.

First, it was just the three rapists who ran her out, not the entire town. To quote directly from the english subtitles, "They raped Young-ji, got her pregnant then chased her out of town."

Second, Young-ji says Ryu did tell her about the bodies, again directly from the subs: "I heard from Mr. RYU and even witnessed something." It doesn't seem like Ryu told her right away, but at some point later on.

I don't think it makes any sense to say that Young Ji killed the father.
FWIW, I think she did kill Ryu because of two things:

(1) Ryu dies soon after Young-ji overhears him talking on the phone to his son Hae-Guk.

(2) The following lines - she says it like Ryu died on purpose which seems highly unlikely, rather this is her confessing her motives without admitting to the killing itself.
Hae-Guk> But I still don't know how my father died.

Young-ji> The Chief is right.
Young-ji> Mr. RYU died on his own.
Young-ji> So you'd come.

Hae-Guk> What did he want from me coming here?

Young-ji> Everything you did till now.
Young-ji> Bring judgment he couldn't.

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