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Does people believe this movie misrepresents Mexico as a country?


I'm surprised there were at least two people from Mexico (at 'user reviews') complaining that EL INFIERNO denigrates Mexicans and it's not a real representation of the country's reality.
They said the same about LOS OLVIDADOS from Luis Buñuel (1950, http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0042804/), and I think the resemblances don't stop there.
I understand that people (maybe many of them) all over the world that gets to see the movie might think everyone in Mexico lives this reality. Let it remain their own problem and ignorance. The fact is: this movie reflects a reality in Mexico for many real people, and this has nothing to do with the point we (mexicans) find it pleasant or not. I celebrate it's a black comedy because the other option would be too much to stand for me. Still, I am pretty sure nobody who watches this movie has the choice of ignoring its content.
Besides, I’ve heard that the way the director approaches the story, from Benny’s point of view, tries to justify his decisions. This is simply absurd. We saw a previous movie from this director: LA LEY DE HERODES, where an ordinary man becomes one of the most corrupt politicians in 1940’s Mexico. The approach is the same but I don’t find that the circumstances surrounding this evolution justify at all the corruption or that the movie it’s a form of celebration of bribery and the sort.
I am Mexican, and happily, I don’t live right now the reality Benny lives in the movie. Still, I know people who do, places like that and certainly politicians and other authorities pretty much as the ones portrayed in the movie. EL INFIERNO is just a movie and a parallel reality might occur anywhere. By itself it’s good, serious cinematography. We can take it as criticism or just a story in a place similar to Mexico if we are happy with this.
We Mexicans get bored when people from other countries think of us as wearing a big moustache, a big hat, eating chile and beans all the time or shouting “andale!” as Speedy Gonzales (an American cartoon, by the way) and giving bribes here and there. But I am sure Italians feel the same about the big moustaches, the pizza, the mafia and so. There are plenty of examples of this and there’s no need to elaborate. But clichés reflect reality, whether we like it or not, even when they are not the whole reality. We Mexicans recognize most of characters in this movie as familiar, but of course, as any educated people can elaborate, there are many educated Mexicans, who eat more than just chile and tortillas and who doesn’t go by saying “andale!” at every moment, just as much as most of Italians doesn’t belong to the Mafia, or cook pizza all day long with a broad smile in their faces. So I don’t take any offence from the characters in the movie and no other should.
People who think Estrada went too far or made a lousy movie, might expect a sunny, colorful and happy-ending movie. Something that potential tourism watches around the globe and think: “Mexico is wonderful, let’s go there on our next vacations” as in "Walk on the clouds" or mystic and colorful as "Like water for chocolate" (both from director Alfonso Arau). Something we could be proud to call our representative in all countries. But I say this wouldn’t reflect every Mexican’s reality as well. Still, Mexico remains a great site, an incredible place to visit and at a time (they are no opposite approaches) having many things to work on to enhance, just as most countries have.
EL INFIERNO is a story that begins simply and funny, and ends up leaving something in our minds to think about. Something serious. It’s not everyone’s reality but it certainly could be. It doesn’t justify anyone, but gives an understandable explanation for people who is as simply minded as to think people in a happy surrounding just chooses to follow an evil path. Causes are complex, solution is complex. If we get closer to the causes chances are we are in the way to work on the solution.

But in the end it’s just a movie, and a good movie by the way.

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Thanks for your post man.

My opinions are very similar to yours. It would seem that here in Mexico, there's a huge subconcious need to hide the reality. We LOVE to believe that we are first world (or at least very close to first world), and we try with all our might to ignore a certain part of our (sad) reality.

Yes, we do have several big cities in our county. Yes, Mexico city has a cultural scene competitive with lots of cities in the world. Yes, Guadalajara is pretty, colorful and relatively non-violent. Yes, Monterrey is rich and has first-class infrastructure. But cities are not the only reality out there.

We live in a country where "pueblo" (town) is a derogative. No one will admit their home "city" to be really a town. That probably stems from the 60's, when the government was trying (very hardly) to convince the whole world (including us) that Mexico was a developed country. Of course, that brought us the 68 olympics plus that-other-thing that I probably shouldn't mention, but that's another story.

While around 50% of the population now lives in a city, we routinely try to forget about the other 50%. That part of the country where people don't have access to potable water, adults have a low stature due to malnutrition, bloody feuds are common, there are no real roads to connect the communities with the cities. That reality is out there, but the majority of us decide to ignore it from out comfort zone.

So, I can only applaud a movie that forces us to look to the people most of us swear don't exist.

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muy bien dicho, cabron! I agree with your sentiments 100%.

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I mostly agree with you, however, the reality shown in the movie IS exaggerated on purpose.

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Benny takes revenge on the celebration of 200 years of independence, killing the local president. In real life, the Bicentenario fest had "Cero Kills". So, in fact, reality was less violent than the movie's depiction of Mexico.

The movie invites us to think but I don't think it is trying to represent someone's reality. It is only telling us a narco story with mexican style.

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Reality is far much more violent than the movie, watch the numbers. So actually is much less exaggerated, the movie is not THAT graphic as well, compared to what they do in reality.

The last scene is very symbolic and takes some license to make a point, and it does it perfectly.

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If you look at the numbers including the whole population, you will find the percentage of people DIRECTLY affected by or involved with drug dealers violence, is less than 1%. For example, unofficial claims state that there have been over 50,000 kills because of the war against drugs in Mexico. Mexican population is 113,910,608, so less than 0.05% have been killed because of this reason.

I contrast, the characters in the movie (except small children) are ALL (100%) corrupt and all related to the mafia somehow, and all pretty evil, including old grandma's and school directors, and so many of them die in horrible ways... I think the movie is showing the worst, not the average. It is probabilistically very unlikely to find a town as rotten as the one that is depicted in this film, if you select it randomly from all the rural towns in Mexico.

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You seem to forget the grenade kills in Morelia a few years ago during a celebration.




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Sorry for the previous post, I mixed answers.

The grenade in Morelia was not during the bicentenary -which was a more important event than any other random september 16th- and the agression was against a police officer's car, not against a political leader during his speech -which would have been a far more severe act.

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Thank you mrkord. Yes, it is exaggerated. Its also a comedy (black) approach. Its just about not taking it so seriously. As I said, let it anyone remain ignorant to think this is the way things actually are if they feel like it.

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Agree!

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are you talking about the same country where drug cartels have hung mutilated and dismembered bodies from bridges and left piles of decapitated heads along heavily trafficked roads? Mexican cartels have made a habit out of decorating Mexico with corpses and dismembered body parts in real life but what's depicted in this movie is exaggerated?

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Well, to answer your original question, no we don't. From our perspective, the whole eccentric image of driving gaudy pick up trucks blaring polka music is spot on. I know people in Mexico want to portray a bougie middle class image, but what we see here in the US are Mexican-"Americans" that reinforce that negative cowboy stereotype. Here in the US, our opinions arent based on what we hear on the news or movies, but what we see on our own streets.

In fact, we see wannabe narcos here all the time. Its really pathetic how some of these guys cross over just to alienate themselves even further by acting like complete idiots, ie: playing loud narco-corrido music on a weeknight, on their cars, snorting coke at children's birthday partirs, etc.
Its actually quite disrespectful. These new wave of immigrants arent the type of mexicans i knew growing up. Theyre very different and more hostile. Its even worse in rich areas in the US since thats were unemployed mexican immigrants stand around looking for jobs.
So you see, Americans see a negative image of Mexico. They see them as trouble makers. Think about it, illegal immigrants post up at rich area gas stations looking for work every morning. Not just suburbs, but areas w/ +$1, 000, 000 homes were affluent people live. Naturally thats going to piss off old rich people. It definately ruins Mexicos image.
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Even other hispanics try to distance themselves from being labeled as Mexican. Every one thinks all Mexicans glorify drug runners, and dealers. So while Mexicans get offended by these stereotypes, your compatriots are creating scandals up north of the border. Im saying this as a pro imigrant hispanic, you can imagine what a conservative american has to say.
By the way, Mexico is listed by US government's watchlist as one of the most dangerous places to travel. The list consists of countries like a Iraq, pakistan, Afghanistan, Sierra Leone, Liberia, Haiti, North Korea, etc. The only othrr latin american country listed was Colombia.
So you can see that Mexico's image is as tarnished as could be.

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I don't agree with your depiction of "this new wave of immigrants," as you say. I am not going to criticise these Mexicans for the vehicles they drive, the music they listen to or their choice of attire. I live in a city where you could say the same thing about Blacks, Asians or "Rednecks" as I see them all doing the same things as the immigrants you speak of. As to people snorting coke, you may want to rethink what type of people you hang out with, because I can assure you that race plays no part in this activity. The immigrants I see are some of the hardest working people. Next time you are driving around, take note of who is working nights and weekends when it comes to labor intensive jobs. It is rarely "Americans," and that embarrasses me for my country. To me, these immigrants are no different that you or I, trying to better our way of life. And don't we all need to "let our hair down" every once in a while, to relieve some of our daily stress?

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Even though as the one of the songs said, I am a Mexican American, I am fortunate to have grown up in Texas. I do however have many relatives who live in the country of Mexico. I can't speak to what happens with the "Narcos" or with the politicians, but I can tell you that many of my relatives live in fear of the crime they are surrounded by on a day to day basis. In the last few years, I have visited some of my relatives who live in a small "pueblo" which has experienced shootouts on the streets between rival drug gangs. Yes, in the US, we also have these things happening in some of our larger cities, but if you are fortunate, you can sometimes move to different parts of the cities, where you don't have to live with this daily fear. I am the last of my 5 siblings, who is not afraid to travel to Mexico, but I am careful of where I go and try not to be out at night if I am not familiar with the area. Unfortunately, this fear of US citizens to travel to Mexico, has only hurt them even more, since they do not have this additional influx of US dollars coming into Mexico. Lastly, I will say that for all the advantages of living in the US, my relatives in Mexico have a much more "close knit" family way of living, that I only wish we had here.

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I'd say it doesn't spawn much conservancy since it's a Mexican movie. Movies from all over the world take place in the country in which they were made and features intense conflicts. Pretty much every movie portrays their country in a negative light in some way or another.

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