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*Spoilers* The end to the ending debate.


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I know a lot you have been debating on whether or not Florence is dead at the end. After watching this movie about 3 times in a row, I can say with 100% certainty that Florence DID die. Here's why...

1) At the beginning of the movie when Florence first comes to the house, she encounters Tom who says, "Hello" and she acknowledges his greeting. At the end of the movie, she does the same thing to the lonely red-headed boy, Larry. Directors often like to use this linking mechanic to indicate similarities in occurences.

2) Maud dies rather quickly after drinking the poison, but Florence lingers a while longer which may have you thinking she didn't drink enough, but if the poison is already having an effect on her, ie: room spinning, loss of consciousnesses, then that indicates that the poison has already entered her bloodstream which would make vomiting pointless.

3) Florence tells Tom, "I can feel you now." as she lays on the floor dying. This, to me, says that she can't see him anymore, but she can feel him there still. In general ghost lore, spirits usually can't see each other unless they've died together at the same time. This also plays into the end when she tells Robert, "Not being able to see them isn't the same as forgetting them."

4) The headmaster. He says they'll tell the boys that "it was an unfortunate accident." and proceeds to berate Florence's abilities even when she is right there. Even in 19th century etiquette, a man would not dare to insult a woman in her presence. She even walks directly in front of a man who completely looks past her.

5) The cab. Florence tells Robert that she will walk to the cab. She then turns around and walks back towards the school. She is now bound to her ghostly home, forever. Robert looks on in sadness.

6) Interacting with objects. This shouldn't even be an issue. Tom touches and moves several objects around the school and it shouldn't be a surprise that Florence can as well.

7) The clock. When Florence is lying on the floor, dying, the clock is heard ticking. When Robert enters the room, he looks on and the clock stops ticking. Florence's time is up.

8) Robert. I think that Robert might've killed himself upon finding Florence dead in the kitchen, which would support the ghost lore of ghosts only being able to see each other when they die at the same time. He seemed like an emotionally unstable person to begin with. He was self-harming, probably suffered from PTSD, and started going bonkers when Florence was poisoned. He seems unusually calm and put together in the last scene. Although Florence and Robert were going to "take a cab somewhere", neither of them are seen doing so. Florence walks back to the school (probably because she is bound there now) and Robert just stands there looking on. Is he sad that his ghostly lover cannot roam as freely as he? Is he also bound to the school since he died there? Nobody acknowledges Robert, not even Larry the lonely red-head. Does Robert know they are dead and Florence doesn't? This theory doesn't have a lot of grounds, but for me, it's in the air.

As for everything else, I'm very certain that the intent of the directors was for Florence to be an unsettled ghost. The overall theme was melancholy and I don't think that after Florence's grand plea to live, while on the verge of death, she would be granted with such a great escape from her fate. The end is supposed to be tragic. The entire story is tragic and now, Florence is another piece of that tragedy.

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Very good and well reasoned post.

But I disagree.

I also think that is the point. I think each of us takes away whichever ending works for us. I thought initially she was dead, as she was walking through the school... and then Robert says he knows she's there. But then the tone changed and to me it was clear she was alive and we were meant to think she was dead at first, only to then be relieved she was still alive. Doesn't she give a lit cigarette to Robert? Also, when the headmaster was talking about the "accident" he was clearly talking about Maude as he mentions how much the boys liked her. Then he sort of blames Florence and her coming to the house for the "accident." Also, she wasn't walking back to the house, but to the driveway, or so I saw it. They were going to see each other in a week, and she kisses him goodbye. Something about that seems intentional- like to show she was alive and could interact physically with Robert.

Then again, Maude did say something about how some of the boys were starting to see Tom, so when she says hello to the little ginger, and he sees her, that could be a hint in the other direction?

I don't know... and again, I think that is the point. It's intentionally vague so that we don't know for sure. Therefore, there can never be an "end to the debate."


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http://www.shocktillyoudrop.com/news/169205-exclusive-interview-the-awakening-director-nick-murphy/



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That's what I thought it was. He says females generally think she's dead, but I'm female and I concluded she was alive, but the movie toyed with us for a few seconds to make us think initially she was dead.

I need to watch the end again. I didn't catch that they were going to see each other again in a week. That makes me feel better. I was a tad upset that they weren't going to end up together, two lonely people who had fallen in love.

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Yep I am also a female who concluded she was alive. To be honest mostly because I thought her being dead would be intensely lame. It's lame enough to flip the table mid-movie and completely stop making sense. I kind of just wanted to take it at face value by the time it was done.

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Excellent link-- thanks, tra1n_n_va1n !!

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I've always thought that she was definitely dead. She even makes a reference to the headmaster not knowing she was there even when mallory knew. I think shes just one more ghost from his past that he'll live with.

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I was tossing up either one until right at the end she said hello to one of the other boys. Having her walk passed that second guy without him reacting was too cheap.

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Yeah but as a few people have pointed out, a few of the boys were also able to see Tom, especially the lonely kids who needed a friend. The ginger kid definitely qualifies in that department, so it would make sense that he could see Florence as a ghost.

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The headmaster. He says they'll tell the boys that "it was an unfortunate accident." and proceeds to berate Florence's abilities even when she is right there. Even in 19th century etiquette, a man would not dare to insult a woman in her presence. She even walks directly in front of a man who completely looks past her.

Kinda pointless making a new thread.... Anyway.

You need to watch the above part more carefully. The headmaster's comments make clear that Maude is dead and Florence isn't.

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I thought she was alive because she tells Robert to tell the driver to wait, for her. Not him. She was going away and coming back on Saturday, to meet Robert, who still lives at the school. Florence wanted to take another path to the exit, she wasn't going back to the school. Also I'd have to re watch it, but I don't remember her going back her previous steps.

When the headmaster talks about her like she wasn't there, it doesn't mean anything important, maybe he didn't see her, maybe he still needed to finish talking to that parent and making him feel calm. He couldn't ackowledge that Florence was still around.

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If ghosts can't see each other unless they did at the same time, why would Tom and Maud want Florence to die? She wouldn't be able to interact with him anymore if she was a ghost too, thus making him even more lonely, or am I missing something?

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