The pre-hammer confrontation between Lol and her father - surely improvised dialogue? Has the same feel as the scene in Dead Man's Shoes where Richard has a run-in with the mum whose kids he gave a knife to.
I know these improvised scenes are meant to add a realism or truth to the performances, but when they go into it does anyone else find themselves thinking "Oh look, those actors are improvising"?
How many times did they both say "yeah" in that scene??!!!
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It was improvised, badly. Yeah?
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Which line did she mess up ? . I didn't notice.
shareWhich line did she mess up ? . I didn't notice.
"I saw it as more a product of the character's rage and fury than Vicky McClure fluffing her lines"
REALLY?????????????????? I congratulate your absolute blinkered thinking. Not many people have this ability, reality tends to get in the way for most of us.
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REALLY?????????????????? I congratulate your absolute blinkered thinking. Not many people have this ability, reality tends to get in the way for most of us.
PLEASE try and read what I'm trying to tell you. This is a valuable life lesson. If you don't tale my friendly advice now, in the future people are going to call you 'retarded' and nasty names like that.
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Fuzzy Wuzzy was a woman?
Was the scene between Milky and Woody when they're walking from the tenement improvised? I expect it was, it was pretty poor. As with others on here, the wedding could have been completely avoided IMO.
Milky should be banned from all sorts of improvisation, just give him a solid script and let him get on with it.
For good improv watch 'Vera Drake' and learn from the masters.
I could get a record player and a generator generate the music to make you feel better
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I agree, when you're in a rage and in the case of Lol there'd be a large element of fear (knowing what she was about to do and psyching herself up to do it) as well don't forget, then things won't always come out "scripted" there may well be a lot of "yeah's" and pacing about etc, I thought it worked really well, it added to the tension. I thought the whole scene was excellent and the way Combo was brought in to it too was really good. Loved it.
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to me it felt like Lol was full of rage for her dad and he wouldn't acknowledge any wrong doing. The more innocent he acted the more enraged lol felt - remember she hasn't even told Woody about her abuse growing up so confronting her father about it would be something she just wasn't physically able to do yet.
shareI dont see how someone 'fluffing' their lines can be seen as taking you out of the scene- surely it is more realistic? Nobody in real life speaks without ever stumbling over words, producing perfect, eloquent lines like a regular Bette Davis. And in that scenario, it would be all the more likely that you would either stutter or stumble over what you are saying, either through fear or anger.
But that's just my view.
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I loved the fact it was improvised
Everyone in real life stumbles over their words from time to time and especially in a situation where she is overcome with rage
Also on the repeating of lines, in real life arguments we sometimes repeat things when we cant think of what to say next?
Plus, I loved the fact it was all done in one take. It gave the effect that we, the viewer was standing in the room watching and made it all the more tense
Everyone in real life goes to the toilet several times a day, it doesn't mean we need to see that as well, does it?
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Because its not relevent to the plot, maybe?
oh, and messing up your lines IS relevant to the plot somehow is it?
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It was ONE mistake!
The rest of it was great
There would be no point in having to film it all again just because of one hardly noticable mistake
Kubrick would have.
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Everyone in real life goes to the toilet several times a day, it doesn't mean we need to see that as well, does it?
yeah, but don't worry about it. I can handle it.
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ah ok. So long as you're aware.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aC_2vUolLA
I've also used Kubrick as a counter-argument for some strange reason. No idea where I'm going to go with that either.
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I didn't notice Ms McClure's fumbled line. I was too busy thinking "Oh look, those actors are improvising". Suddenly I was very aware I was watching actors behind the characters. Just wondered if it had the same effect on anyone else.
shareI was mesmerised by Mick's trousers.
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I actually didnt notice they were improvising until after. I should have really because it was pretty obvious due to the repetition of some lines
I guess I was just too engrossed in the story to notice
Personally I thought their argument with all the "yeah"s, made it seem petty and childish, rather than (as someone else put it) Lol facing this demon head on. Seemed more like a drama class exercise - "Pretend you hate each other, go"
You have the right to remain silent. Forever!
I don't think they could have made that scene any more nerve-wracking if they had tried. And they didn't try. Because it was improvised.
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I know these improvised scenes are meant to add a realism or truth to the performances, but when they go into it does anyone else find themselves thinking "Oh look, those actors are improvising"?
I'm totally with you. I felt like that scene let the series down quite a lot. It was so bad and at such a crucial moment. Not only was the dialogue awful and lacking in any genuine aggression, but the way they were both positioned within the composition was really awkward and off-putting. I found their body-language more comical than dramatic.
I'd say there was a definite sense at that point that the actors should not have been given so much freedom over such an important scene, but then again, I can imagine that having come to the end of the series, as a director, you would possibly have a lot of faith in the actors to come up with something REAL but I think the situation was probably too heavy for them to handle well.
I don't think it was unrealastic for her to stutter her words, her character was angry and she was scared of the man - I've seen/been in plenty of arguments and confrontations where people don't always know what to say. To me it seemed like 2 people actually arguing than each of them saying something clever or scripted. It fit in with the feel of the film.
sharethere's nothing wrong with it being gritty and realistic and lines being spoken imperfectly, but that is a very fine line to walk and for me this scene totally came apart at the seams in a way that made me think 'oh look, two actors improvising' instead of 'wow, that's so real'
i say this as a huge shane meadows fan and fan of this series and everyone involved, i just feel such a key scene should have been alot stronger. like i said before, a couple of edits instead of one single take would have served it so much better.
but the worst part for me was her turning her back to him after producing the hammer, that was such a clumsy stupid way to allow him to get the jump on her.
shane meadows films are always a little bit raggy round the edges, part of their charm i suppose, but there's nothing wrong with people pointing this kind of thing out, no need for the apologists to come out in their droves and claim this made the scene more convincing, it really didn't.
I would put a bet on her turning her back on him because she didn't have any intention of ever killing him. She says earlier on in the series that she doesn't want anyone to hurt him because he's her dad, so I found that and the whole scene to be honest, incredibly realistic.
shareI honestly didn't notice at all that the scene was improvised but the building tension that it portrayed was definitely impressive. I think in a scene like this it has to be improvised in order to portray the emotion more accurately. I'm not surprised that there was improvisation in the series however, because the scene where Woody's parrot starts chewing the lamp and Lol comments on it was so obvious, there's no way they could have known that the parrot would have done that or trained it to do that but it worked quite well.
shareadded realism in my opinion. in real life she would literally have been improvising - it's not a normal situation that they were in. "fluffing the line" (as one commenter put it) only enriches the realism in such a scenario.
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