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What kind of person can rate this movie so low?


I assume it takes a moronic but arrogant individual with no knowledge of Spanish (and no desire to learn it) who thinks that non-english languade films do not deserve to be produced, and who can't tell the difference between a Tom and Jerry cartoon and a work-of-art movie like this one. Seriously, what's with the rating? I personally gave it a 9, though I think I may feel the atmosphere of the film better than an average viewer since I am fluent in Spanish and lived in Argentina for two and a half years and visited Tigre where the movie was filmed. It is quite a special place, where people live on small islands, going about in boats. I think it was deliberately chosen as a set for the movie because it shows the isolation of the inhabitants from each other and from the outside world, communicating the idea that every person is essentially alone (isolated) and can not escape himself...

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I think you are very right about a second viewing. It opened a lot of hidden layers for me, and I'm sure it will do so for you too. Also, this movie is all about atmosphere. It should be viewed with lights out and no distractions and interruptions. I personally think Viggo gives his top performance in this picture second only to his role in The Road. But other actors played their parts well, too; I wouldn't say that Viggo stole the movie... In my opinion, all the free major parts of movie-making (plot, acting, operator's work) were excellent.

'Music is, to me, proof of the existence of God -Kurt Vonnegut

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I agree totally about Nosferatu, watched it a couple of weeks ago and was blown away by the main character and the atmosphere... I loved Coppola's version but now I think Herzog's takes the cake.
As for Argentine cinema, it is very special to me because as I have mentioned earlier I lived there and my daughter was born in Buenos Aires, I made a lot of great friends there and I think I have a good understanding of the Argentine character, which is very special and unique. It reflects in the outstanding literature, music and cinema of Argentina, which has recently begun to harvest international appraisal. I would suggest that you watch such gems as La Cienaga, Como pasan las horas, Historias minimas, Nueve reinas, No sos vos soy yo, Un cuento chino... If you live in a small city where it is difficult to get hold of such rarities, you could try to find them on the Internet, it's what I always do being in the similar situation as you are. I don't see any shame in that, since most of these movies are not available "over the counter" anyway. You can look for the English subtitles for these movies on the net also, they come as separate .srt files and are free to download.
Also check out Wakolda, a newly-released picture starring Natalia Oreiro. It is about a Nazi who fled to Latin America after WWII. I haven't seen that one yet, have to wait till it's released on DVD.

'Music is, to me, proof of the existence of God -Kurt Vonnegut

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I haven't seen Valentin, I'm going to try and find it on the net. Thanks for intelligent conversation, keep in touch!

'Music is, to me, proof of the existence of God -Kurt Vonnegut

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Also lots of professional critics who did not care for the movie. People who doesn't agree with your personal tastes or doesn't have your personal sensibility are not necessarily morons who only watch Transformers. And speaking of arrogance, it takes a special kind of ego to assume that.

I liked most of it but I wasn't convinced by the movie as a whole. The premise is overdone and the movie feels rather pointless in retrospective, well acted and directed as it may be.

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First, I do not care about the professional critics' opinions - they're paid for what they do and that puts them in another league.
Second, I believe that, as any product, movies can have subjective and objective qualities. A movie can be very good but a particular person may or may not like it at his discretion, BUT his liking it or not does not give him the right to say that the picture is objectively good or bad, putting on a low or high rating or denigrating/praising it in a forum thread. For example, there is a very good movie Mar Adentro with Javier Bardem. I personally hate it because IMHO its premise is totally wrong, but I would never say that the picture itself is poorly made. When I don't agree with a movie's message or simply don't "get it", I wouldn't rate it low or condemn it, because it would put my personal, subjective attitude above the objective qualities of the movie. Of course it is well and good to post one's subjective attitude towards a movie on a forum, but putting a low rating for a picture one didn't comprehend is, in my book, a totally moronic act. Regards.

'Music is, to me, proof of the existence of God -Kurt Vonnegut

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"What kind of person can rate this movie so low?"

Probably the same kind of person who gives Transformers and super-hero movies a rating of 10/10.

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You'll probably find that the sort of person who rated the movie low was somebody who didn't like it. It probably had nothing to with the fact that they were moronic arrogant individuals. It takes a certain arrogance to suggest they were. They just didn't like it simple as that. I have seen many films in a variety of languages and found the film disappointing which stayed in second gear throughout. It may be the director's first film but she is no Lucrezia Martel or Celina Murga. Mortenson, who did his best, has since moved on to Lisandro Alonso, someone who can achieve spellbinding enigma with his eyes closed. A disappointment, a 4/10.



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I've never been in space, but I liked 2001: A Space Odyssey. I'm sure having been, or growing up in a place where a movie was filmed can have an impact, or bring out a bias as it seems to with the OP, but a mediocre movie is a mediocre movie. I dislike when people say, "This movie, or TV show, is so slow" but when it's true, it's true. The film goes around in circles, is repetitive, not very engaging, the protagonist is lost throughout the whole film, making me, the audience, disinterested and disengaged as well. Characters would go in and out of the film, suddenly a month would pass, nothing would happen, then suddenly they're burning down the guy's house?

The only one who I liked in the movie was the wife. She figured out it was Augustine in a minute. Did Baby? Did she care? Did she love Augustine while pretending it was still Pedro? I never was able to figure it out, because the movie felt it was more important to throw the shaky plot back into the story. And Augustine goes through all these things his brother would have had to deal with, but nothing ever seemed to phase him. You'd think he'd sit down and say, "What the hell was my brother doing here?" But nothing, the same half-confused look. The cinematography was fine, the acting was fine, but not enough to make me care about the characters in it.

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It's very easy to rate this movie very low. The only shining points were Viggo's performance and the location, the rest were average or worse. Never mind the incredibly slow movie, it was the slow supporting performances that killed it really. Great premise, very flawed execution.

To the OP, I speak Spanish, but then again I don't speak Japanese and I find many Japanese spoken films wonderful. Same for German, Hindi, whatever, the spoken language has no bearing on the perception of the movie. Also, depending on who you ask, Tom and Jerry was a work of art too, its all subjective. Then again, I'd like to think you know what ASSuME means.

I can understand someone loving a movie that no one else in their right mind would like even the slightest bit, it's your preference after all. But be prepared to call a spade a spade and judge the film on ALL points, no matter how you feel about the setting, individual performances, or it as a whole. One wonderful performance and a nice backdrop doesn't save the rest of it. I really shouldn't try and make these points though; if you're quoting Vonnegut, I'm writing to a perennially closed mind.

5/10, at best. Viggo earned 4 1/2 of those.

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interesting that you would assume people hate it because they don't understand spanish and that very reasoning is why they would rate the movie beneath your expectations...

maybe your tastes in films just stinks? and the brutal reality of that fact hit you when you saw the ratings? it's never good to have a chip on ones shoulder, you should do something about that...because being angry isn't going to help it

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Just watched it 3 days ago... i really liked it!
I'm from Argentina. It seemed to me a very well directed film. There were a few dialogues and a few character developments that (as for me) had some failures, but nothing major. I really enjoyed it.
Viggo is magnificent... we all know that, but I was really surprised about Sofia Gala's performance, it was pretty solid to me. I don't know if you are from Argentina. In case you are, you know what I mean.

:)

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