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Do you think that Kara is more powerful than Superman?


It was left ambiguous in both the movie and the comic as to whether or not she was physically more powerful than him. Even during her fight with Darkseid, Supergirl lasted much longer than Superman did and was able to withstand his omega beams too while Superman was floating above Earth unconscious.

But then again, in THIS FILM, Superman beat Kara in a fight and knocked her unconscious WITHOUT the kryptonite ring he used in the comic so.... Like I said, left amgigous.

Thoughts?

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I honestly don't think so b/c its always been said that since she was not fully mature her powers weren't up to supermans level.
I have another ques myself though. I know superman gets his power from the sun, so if that's so would flying right into the sun not harm him? Has he ever done that in the comics before.or is that too much for him to bear?

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It depends on what version you are talking about. By flying too close to the sun in ALL STAR SUPERMAN, he was slowly dying of an overdose of solar radiation which were causing his blood cells to explode but then, he became a being of pretty much pure energy and was able to live inside the sun building it an artificial heart.

In POST CRISIS comics, after he "Died" and was resurrected, he became more powerful and was able to fly directly into the sun to defeat Brainiac in "OUR WORLD'S AT WAR" comic. He even flew so close to the sun that it severely injured Darkseid in the SUPERGIRL comic this film is based off (A scene that got cut from the movie).

So I think it's safe to say that Superman or any kryptonian would only get more POWERFUL if they flew directly into the sun. Would it hurt them? Hell yes. But they'd survive.

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wow....that is interesting! its no wonder the creators had to give him a weakness. without kryptonite he's got to be the most powerful superhero of both dc and marvels heros combined. that's incredible! its too bad they can't make a seriously good superman movie with a formidable villain with all the special effects and technology there is nowadays.

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Well, she trained by a whole island of warriors. Superman grow up winning fight relying on his strength and speed alone....or at least that's the impression I got.

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It was left ambiguous in both the movie and the comic as to whether or not she was physically more powerful than him.


In the movie, maybe. In the comics, definitely not.
There's the story arc set after this one, where Supergirl's "evil twin" emerges from within herself and the question is brought up once again as to whether she is more powerful than him.
The answer is... she isn't. She just has far less self-control over her powers than he does.

Superman basically holds back in using his full power. Because, unlike Kara, Clark has lived on Earth his entire life and realizes just how devastating it could be if he went full-tilt.

For example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ywo6F4xYTvA

He even gives this explanation to the "evil Kara" and ends it with this quote:

"You don't know your limits, Kara, so you don't know how to hold them in check. But, just so we're very clear... I could catch you... And I could stop you... Any time I wanted to".

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Well, I realize in the comics that Superman is more powerful than Kara but in the movie, it's left ambiguous. Because Superman still beat her on Apokolips and she lasted much longer against Darkseid in Smallville.

So I'm asking about the movie.

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It was left ambiguous in both the movie and the comic as to whether or not she was physically more powerful than him.


It actually wasn't too ambiguous seeing as Batman scanned her body in the Batcave and found out that her Kryptonian D.N.A. cells process solar energy probably more efficiently than Superman's/Kal's body does for some reason?

Although not related to this movie directly, in the Superman: TAS, Supergirl was from Argocity and was perhaps slightly different from pure blooded Kryptonians in that they had no vulnerability to Kryptonite but were perhaps not as so powerful. Interesting that this movie based on the comics series chose to do the exact opposite and imply Kara was potentially more powerful.

Her lasting far longer in battle against Darkseid was very impressive and quite shocking to see her be absolutely that aggressive in a fight, heh and i strongly doubt if Warners and Bruce Timm and co would've allowed Wonder Woman to do the same to Darkseid despite her combat experience and deadly amazon skills if she was in Supergirl's place instead?!

I kinda wish the fight was similar to the battle between Darkseid Vs Superboy and Supergirl from The Legion Of Superheroes 'The Great Darkness Saga' where they both had to fight Darkseid at the same time under a Red Sun, but Brainiac 5 gave them a serum that allowed them to keep their powers under a 'Red Sun', and thus they battled Darkseid in an impressive but short violent fight. If they ever adapt that story into a DTV animated movie, that fight would be excellent to see happen.

And it'll have to be made to be quite different from this one.

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It actually wasn't too ambiguous seeing as Batman scanned her body in the Batcave and found out that her Kryptonian D.N.A. cells process solar energy probably more efficiently than Superman's/Kal's body does for some reason?

Exactly. And from the movie mentioning this, I take it that Supergirl is more powerful, maybe not now, but eventually when she gets older.

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It actually wasn't too ambiguous seeing as Batman scanned her body in the Batcave and found out that her Kryptonian D.N.A. cells process solar energy probably more efficiently than Superman's/Kal's body does for some reason?


The only problem is that somehow, Superman still managed to beat her in a fight (Even if most of it took place offscreen) without the kryptonite ring he used in the comic. If she's more powerful than how did he beat her?

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He got a lifetime longer expose to the yellow sun?



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And yet like I said before, Kara lasted longer against Darkseid getting his omega beams dozens of times but shaking it off. Superman got it twice and he was floating up in space unconscious. Then when he was recharged by the sun, he got it twice again but it still beat him up far more than it did Kara.

I guess it can be said that Superman was more experienced in fighting therefore, he was able to beat Kara. But if that's true, why did it seem like Kara was the one who was the better warrior seeing as how she was trained by both Wonder Woman AND Darkseid but Superman had little to no combat training and yet, he still beat her?

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True!

Seems like DC have always struggled to get Superman perfect balance of powerlevels right in both the Pre-Crisis (Silver-age) and Post-Crisis (Bronze-age to current timeline) comics. Even in the beginning where he is ambushed by the group of amazons and Wonder Woman he seemed too beat up and out of breath, to taking on sub-par Doomsday clones to fighting Darkseid himself in battle. Half the time its like his powers are lowered so whomever taking him on, can bust up on Superman for a bit and get some props for it or something.

Hate all that!

They really need to get his balance properly right one day and have his levels at something we know is highly powerful but somebody else who's clearly able and is written right with a motive and depending on the situation and circumstances etc won't be at a disadvantage and also wouldn't insult Superman's well being nor come across as being overpowered. Would actually take him on at an even pace and make us believe Superman had to up his game in a non-cheesy or rip off way in order to win a fight or have an equal stalemate with a non decision that doesn't leave too many unanswered questions, as to what the outcome would've been if it went another way altogether etc.

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Hell naaw.

Can't nobody MESS with Superman!!

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Time to clear up a few things.

Supergirl in Superman: TAS was vulnerable to kryptonite, he finds her in a royal family stasis chamber with all her family members. All of her family were dead except for her, and she was his cousin.


In the comic version of this movie, Kara is younger and therefore stronger than Superman in terms of raw energy. She came to Earth when she was a teen, so it affects her physiology differently.

Superman is only able to beat with the kryptonite ring. They opted out of using that in the movie, but their battle is off screen. Just because Batman says she might more powerful, doesn't mean that Superman can't beat her. He could be faster, or more cunning, and utilize fight training that Batman or Wonder Woman could have given him.

Since their fight is off screen, it simply means that when Superman decides not to hold back, he doesn't hold back and can defeat someone more powerful than he is.



In the final battle in the comic version, Supergirl never fights Darkseid. He atomizes her with his Omega Beams, and fights Superman in front of the Sun. Superman wins and shoves him into the edge of the Universe, the Source Wall.


In the final battle of the movie, they wanted to have Supergirl do a bit of fighting, so they had to get rid of Superman for a bit, hence Darkseid shooting Superman into space.

In the animated series, Darkseid's Omega Beams mean instant death. Even Superman would not likely survive that kind of blast. Both Superman and Darkseid are de-powered in this stand alone movie.

Notice when Superman is struck, Darkseid gets him by surprise and he can't fight off the beams. Kara gives him a respite, but Darkseid is able to almost sucker punch him into space.

Kara uses her Amazon training in the final battle, not allowing the Omega Beams to get her as often. She tunnels underground, and also uses the beams on Darkseid himself. it shows how much she's changed in terms of power levels, barely being able to use them in the beginning of the movie, but going toe to toe with Darkseid in the final fight.

Through and through, Darkseid does defeat Kara and spares her life because he promised he would not on Apokolips. But Superman comes back to lay down his beating untilKara finally defeats Darkseid using the mother box, again utilizing smarts and not just raw strength. As Wonder Woman said: There's a difference between having power and knowing how to use it.

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