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Did Kampusch ever explain why she didn't escape sooner?


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In the first years of captivity it wasn't possible to escape, but later? When they went to the DIY store, for example? Or when she was gazing out of the van window as they drove through a busy thoroughfare? She might, for example, have had a note prepared that she could discard somewhere without him noticing. Later when she was allowed out of the cell she was cooking in the kitchen and had access to knives. Did she not hate him enough to stab him? The neighbour trimming her hedge looked across and saw Kampusch, yet Kampusch did not scream out to attract attention. Maybe Kampusch was by then so psychologically disturbed that she just couldn't decide what to do.

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She's a liar :) Read my thread on Kampusch and this suspicious case I once started:http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt240913.html Liar, liar, pants on fire, Natascha :) She's complaining in the media people don't want to believe in her ordeal for she doesn't seem to be broken, for she isn't a typical victim and understands the kidnapper but it's about something entirely else - there are numerous proofs she is hiding something.

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the public reaction since, as it - as well as her behaviour which triggered it - is extremely unusual.

Shawn Hornbeck isn't a victim of this sort you could expect either, nevertheless everybody seems to believe him. Even if he lived a perfectly normal life, like any other boy could live - only that here he didn't live it with his father like his peers but with his kidnapper - he could go out, he had the net access, he didn't need to go to school. I wonder how his parents feel, knowing he could contact them any time - he visited the website made by them for him. Sorry but I would sooner believe Natascha (if I didn't read all those pieces of information on her that made me doubt her statements) than Shawn. As for Natascha's behaviors, here I can only say that everybody is different and reacts in a different manner. I also would like to get some cash and fame out of my ordeal (or "ordeal"). Natascha was in a relationship with this guy, if she didn't have feelings for him, she certainly would behave differently (here I mean by this that she didn't call him bad names, her mom also mentions in her book that it's forbidden in their house to talk about him in less than reverential terms - is it how a "victim" behaves?).


people began to doubt her story (or at least parts of it) and some - like the other person who replied - even started to make up their own version of what the think have happened and accused her of lying.


I'm not making anything up - all the pieces of info on her "ordeal" come from books on this mysterious case, written by German authors. If, for example, it was proved that the ventilator was too weak to allow the sufficient air exchange to let anyone live in the dungeon for more than 3 days, isn't it the best proof she is a liar? Or all those statements about her shaved head - her hair was just too long to make her statements real. Or all those clips presenting herself with her kidnapper celebrating her birthdays and the like - someone else had to film them. Who? She was seen with him out in a restaurant, it was also observed that she was waiting for him in a car many times when he himself was eating in a restaurant etc.


like why she didn't escape earlier or at least tried it when she had the opportunity.

Just because she didn't want to go back to her parents. I always claimed the age of majority being 18 is too high, I'd lower it to 16 with the possibility of getting all the rights of adulthood possible earlier, on this condition that you can support yourself and that you will undergo a psychological evaluation - if the shrink testing you, states you are mentally an adult, mature enough to be able to live on your own and make your own decisions - then you should be perceived an adult in the eyes of the law. I, personally, would do anything to go back earlier - if I didn't want to stay with parents, I could be given new legal guardians that could take care of me for the next 3,4,5 years I'd lack to adulthood. I wouldn't want to miss my whole first youth nor lose my social skills nor spend my whole time with a man who, even if wasn't THAT bad as Natascha presented him, DID tend to be agressive.

There were no signs of her being (severely beaten), not a single bruise or anything else on her legs, arms or face. She was pretty chubby (the young woman who plays her in the film is way to skinny) so it didn't look like she didn't get enough to eat.

She claimed she was beaten that hard that she happened to hear the own bones and spine crack - sorry, but is you hear the sound of your spine cracking, it means, no more, no less, than you can't walk. She wasn't chubby, though she was just thin, although not such a walking skeleton like the actress.


And she seemed to have access to some kind of education (even if it was just books and the TV), as she was very well spoken and seemed intelligent.


It doesn't mean anything, he wanted to make her his partner with whom he could talk.


How she enjoyed getting into the media (she still likes to get attention and mix with the high society) and tried to cash in on her story.


People are different, as I say. Anyway, it helped her a lot that she lived and still lives in Vienna, if she was from a small town, she wouldn't have that easy access to the media. She doesn't have other source of money, she didn't get any formal education, so here no one should blame her. Other kidnap victims, when kidnapped, were at least adult or almost (like the slaves of Ariel Castro) or were brought back to their families early enough to be able to finish school (Shawn Hornbeck) but she was just a kid when she was taken and came back as an adult woman (even if a very young one) - the difference between a child and a teen, even a younger one, is much bigger than the analogical one between a teen and an adult - kids and teens/adults are two different people. I don't see why she would even want to complete her education if she had better things to do at this time - education is something you need to earn money, if you can earn it in a different way (like Waris Dirie who had no education at all, nevertheless she became a rich and famous woman), I see no problem with it.

She didn't keep a low profile like most victims of such and similar crimes usually do, they are usually traumatized, spend time in psychological care, want to be left in peace, don't want to be constantly reminded and talk about what happened to them, want to start a new/normal life (maybe even under a new name).

"Usually" doesn't mean "always". People are different. She did get some professional help, though - she mentioned a therapy. Anyway, it was such an important period of her life - her all formative years spent in captivity. No wonder that she is defined as a person through her ordeal - it shaped her.


arrogant (at least that's what some people claimed)


I don't see why. Then again, I'm a bitchy person myself (why hiding this?) so i wouldn't get liked too much either.

and not like a vulnerable, psychologically disturbed/traumatized


Because there happened nothing in the captivity that would make her like this - she just lived with that dude, she did get beaten by him from time to time, she did get shouted at - I'm not claiming she lived a cushioned life of a princess, but it wasn't worse in any way than just living with really stern and strict parents.

or at least likeable person.


I don't see why, though. I'm not taking sides but I don't see why people don't like her on the very basis of her personality and not just lies.

I don't know about you but I've never seen a victim (especially of such a horrendous crime) attracting so much hatred and so little sympathy.


Because there was no horrendous crime, that's all. Yes, there was a kidnap but I bet she wasn't treated that bad as she likes to claim. It was proved she didn't live in this cellar for long, she had a bedroom at home, her things, her belongings were lying around (like a travel bag filled with a swimming suit or a trekking jacket - do you wear such clothes when not going outside?). She was most likely sold by her mom to him and he took care of her.

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not even those people who spoke or wrote books about things which "prove" that she was lying - have you been there and seen and checked things yourself?


I don't need to be there to know those are true - the authors just sum up which came out to the light after the police checked the house and the cellar, nothing more - they aren't conspiracy theorists who just pull stuff out of their ass. The length of her hair - do you try to convince me that her long hair was shaved just a year earlier, as she claimed? She said he let her have long hair like a year before her running away - isn't it the best proof? Or her asking the police officer to show her an euro coin, for she heard euro got introduced after her kidnap and later on it turned out she had the coins in her purse - was the policeman lying she asked him about this and that she did keep the coins in there so there was no way she had no idea what it looked like? Or the fact the kidnapper's buddy said he admitted to him she run away, for they both had a quarrel about the best way of how to prepare a soup - if she really got beaten up for anything, she wouldn't EVER answer back to him.


Even if things would have "only" been like you imagine them to have happened, it was still a horrendous crime, 'cause it definitely wasn't easy for a young girl to all of a sudden been taken away from your family and friends and having to live with a complete stranger who has power over you.


There are suspicions she used to know him before, for he was her mom's pal. And that she felt unhappy at home, maybe she was molested, so it's not like it was you or me who were taken away - she had no happy home.

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It´s just my view on this case (which I have followed since 2006), but I think NK isn´t exactly a liar; she has had a lot of advisers since her flight, and probably they tell her what to say and what not. Few days after her scape, she wrote a letter and she told her story to the police. This story differs from the one she has told later, in interviews, in her book and in the movie.
I also believe she has experienced a lot of animosity towards her, like other posts have said, so she has been changing some aspects of her story to make it more "real" and "likeable" to general opinion. For example, at the beginning she only had "good" words to her kidnapper (not exactly good GOOD, but surely not bad) and she described their relationship as "tender". At the beginning police also told her kidnapper´s mother that NK had not received "bad treatment" from her son (at least lately), but now she talks about almost daily beatings. These are examples of the inconsistencies in her stories that make her unbelievable, but I believe she (and her advisers) makes them up to "fit better" into society.
I don´t believe that she was sold by her mother, but she definitely didn´t have a beautiful childhood (she was thinking about suicide moments before her kidnapping (!!)). Sure she had some type of relationship with the guy in later years, but it was still a pretty awful crime. I believe she didn´t scape sooner because she had got accoustomed to that life style, plus the psychological pression, plus the bad situation with her family.
Sorry for my bad grammar, english is not my first language.

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She wanted to come up as someone really noble, able to forgive. If she claims now that the reality was much worse than what was shown in the movie, nevertheless she claims their relationship was tender and the like and that she had good moments with him, then something is wrong here. Anyway, if he was really that bad, worse than your average strict father, living with whom gives you a lot of limitations, she would do anything to get out and get back home sooner. I think her life with him was like the life with a really strict and stern father - only with this difference that you don't have sex with your father and that while your dad doesn't let you go out to the disco and the like, she was not allowed to go out at all. Until they had their outings - they were seen outside many times together, which she refused. She's not that smart as people thought her to be at the beginning - it's just because of this massive contrast between what they expected - someone like Fusako Sano who after 9 years spent with her captor still behaved like the 9 year old she was when she was taken - and a normal, average teen who used sophisticated vocabulary. Aerith, you are from what I remember, an Austrian, what sort of theories have you heard on her? I mean - I heard for example one, in which he kept her as a sex slave, to whom many people from the Vienna elite came to have sex with her. I heard also a crazy one, according to which she didn't live with him for the first couple of years but somewhere else. I think she was sold - on his account a big sum of money appeared soon after she was taken. Anyway, there was that girl aroung her age, Bettina, who later said she saw his van passing by and she wasn't kidnapped, though she was of a similar age - if he just wanted to have a slave, then why not kidnapping the first girl possible but waiting specifically for Natascha? Ah, and as for the mom of him - she KNEW about her well - her neighbor saw her visiting her with her son; the neighbor recognized her from the interview later on. And the whole "quarrel over a soup" thing - if she was beaten up for anything possible, then she wouldn't EVER quarrel with him. Ntascha, shame on you, you liar :)

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You are one of the most ignorant, unintelligent, naive, idiotic a$$holes I've ever seen on the Internet.

"If she claims now that the reality was much worse than what was shown in the movie, nevertheless she claims their relationship was tender and the like and that she had good moments with him, then something is wrong here."

The only thing that's wrong is that you're a complete imbecile who doesn't understand people at all. You can't understand how someone in captivity could have tender moments with someone who at other times treated them horrendously? Are you really THAT stupid??? Are you really THAT ignorant??? You're unaware that there are tens of thousands of women who suffer physical and mental abuse in their homes - for years - before they finally 'escape'? You don't think any of those women have tender moments with the same partners? Wow ... it must be so difficult to navigate life being such a moron.

"Anyway, if he was really that bad, worse than your average strict father, living with whom gives you a lot of limitations, she would do anything to get out and get back home sooner. I think her life with him was like the life with a really strict and stern father - only with this difference that you don't have sex with your father and that while your dad doesn't let you go out to the disco and the like, she was not allowed to go out at all."

You're a disgusting person. Your suggestion that her captivity was merely comparable to having a strict father is utterly repulsive. Not only are you ignorant and stupid, I'm starting to think you must be a psychopath because you're clearly suffering some mental illness and are incapable of empathy. Go and get some help. Please.

"And the whole "quarrel over a soup" thing - if she was beaten up for anything possible, then she wouldn't EVER quarrel with him. Ntascha, shame on you, you liar".

No, she is not a liar. The only thing that's going on is that...
YOU. ARE. A. FU<K1NG. IMBECILE.

We're from the planet Duplon. We are here to destroy you.

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^^Yes...nothing like being doubly victimized by ignorance.

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I couldn't have said that better myself! I've never been as disgusted by anything I've read on here before as I am now with the utter drivel this nasty,ignorant excuse for a human being has put on here.
Omg she was 10 years old you twisted git!
and have you never heard of
"Stockholm syndrome"? I suggest you look it up!
I've just noticed this was posted in 2014
I only hope to god you've grown up a lot since then ekpyrosis
If I were you I'd be deleting every bit of
bile you posted on here. You should be utterly ashamed of yourself.

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"I also would like to get some cash and fame out of my ordeal (or "ordeal")".

There is not indication WHATSOEVER that she has tried to get cash out of her ordeal. She refused interviews for a long time then, when she finally did give one, it was for free. Money was eventually made from a couple of interviews and she donated it to women in Africa.

"Natascha was in a relationship with this guy, if she didn't have feelings for him, she certainly would behave differently (here I mean by this that she didn't call him bad names, her mom also mentions in her book that it's forbidden in their house to talk about him in less than reverential terms - is it how a "victim" behaves?)."

Yes, that is EXACTLY how a victim behaves you idiot. Are you stupid, or ignorant, or obtuse, or all three? Go and have a read about Stockholm Syndrome you moron. She was NOT in a relationship with the guy.

"I'm not making anything up - all the pieces of info on her "ordeal" come from books on this mysterious case, written by German authors."

No, you're repeating bull$h1t that "German authors" made up. Which of these German authors was there in the house during the 8 years? Please supply us with a full list. Wait ... what? None of them was in the house and as such none of them has any idea what they're talking about? Hey they're just like you!

" If, for example, it was proved that the ventilator was too weak to allow the sufficient air exchange to let anyone live in the dungeon for more than 3 days, isn't it the best proof she is a liar?"

Yes, but there IS NO SUCH PROOF so the question is irrelevant. The only liar her is YOU.

"Or all those statements about her shaved head - her hair was just too long to make her statements real."

No it wasn't. Her hair was quite short at the time of her escape.

"Or all those clips presenting herself with her kidnapper celebrating her birthdays and the like - someone else had to film them. Who?"

There are NO CLIPS WHATSOEVER which were taken by a third person.

"She was seen with him out in a restaurant, it was also observed that she was waiting for him in a car many times when he himself was eating in a restaurant etc."

Complete and utter BULL$H1T. She was NEVER seen with him in a restaurant, or waiting alone in a car. NOT ONCE.

"Just because she didn't want to go back to her parents. ... I wouldn't want to miss my whole first youth nor lose my social skills nor spend my whole time with a man who, even if wasn't THAT bad as Natascha presented him, DID tend to be agressive."

You are a foul and disgusting human being. Actually you're not a human being because we have intelligence and empathy, both of which you are clearly lacking. YOU are an animal. A sick animal who should be put down.

"She claimed she was beaten that hard that she happened to hear the own bones and spine crack - sorry, but is you hear the sound of your spine cracking, it means, no more, no less, than you can't walk."

No, it doesn't you moron. You can go to any chiropractor or masseuse and get your back cracked, then walk home. Exactly HOW stupid are you???

"She wasn't chubby, though she was just thin, although not such a walking skeleton like the actress."

At 18, when she escaped, she weighed only slightly more than she did when she was kidnapped at age 10, even though she had grown 6 inches. She was CLEARLY underfed.

"I don't see why she would even want to complete her education if she had better things to do at this time - education is something you need to earn money, if you can earn it in a different way (like Waris Dirie who had no education at all, nevertheless she became a rich and famous woman), I see no problem with it."

Now we start to understand why you are such a moron. You don't see why someone would want an education for the sake of knowledge and self improvement? You only think people seek education so that they can make money from what they learn? Seriously ... are you really THAT stupid and THAT ignorant?

"Because there happened nothing in the captivity that would make her like this - she just lived with that dude, she did get beaten by him from time to time, she did get shouted at - I'm not claiming she lived a cushioned life of a princess, but it wasn't worse in any way than just living with really stern and strict parents."

COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY WRONG. She was treated to CONSTANT physical, verbal and emotional abuse. Saying that it was no worse than just living with strict parents is one of the most vile, disgusting things I've read on the Internet in a LONG time. Someone needs to kidnap you and beat some sense - and more importantly some empathy - into you.

"Because there was no horrendous crime, that's all."

YOU. MAKE. ME. SICK.

"Yes, there was a kidnap but I bet she wasn't treated that bad as she likes to claim."

Based on what you a$$hole???

"It was proved she didn't live in this cellar for long..."

No, it wasn't.

"She was most likely sold by her mom to him and he took care of her."

If I was as stupid as you I would kill myself. Though if I was as stupid as you I wouldn't know how to do it.

Tell us Einstein, if she was in a relationship with him, and he didn't treat her badly, and he took her out to restaurants, and she sat in the car by herself on many occasions, and he took care of her, then why did he commit suicide after she left one day? I mean ... if your story is right then why was he even worried when he came back to the car and she wasn't there? Surely he would just think she'd gone down to the shop or something. According to you he hadn't done anything wrong, she was perfectly happy, she wasn't being forced to stay there, and everything was OK. So why didn't he just wait for her to come back? Why did he jump in front of a train?

YOU. ARE. A. FU<K1NG. IMBECILE.

We're from the planet Duplon. We are here to destroy you.

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You can't understand how someone in captivity could have tender moments with someone who at other times treated them horrendously?


But she at the beginning claimed he was nice to her and the police told his mother that he didn't treat her badly. I mean she contradicts her own words; at the beginning she claimed it wasn't that bad, it was later on when she started to claim it was that horrible.



You're unaware that there are tens of thousands of women who suffer physical and mental abuse in their homes - for years - before they finally 'escape'? You don't think any of those women have tender moments with the same partners?


It's something different; she's much stronger mentally than such women. And if she claims the bad moments prevbailed over the good ones, then sometimes if wrong. Regardless of how nice he could be to her from time to time, he still did beat her up seriously. She has no reason to cry for him.



No, she is not a liar. The only thing that's going on is that...
YOU. ARE. A. FU<K1NG. IMBECILE.



Take a look at all those points I raised in the link to the thread of mine on her. They clearly prove she IS one. She's hiding something.




There is not indication WHATSOEVER that she has tried to get cash out of her ordeal. She refused interviews for a long time then, when she finally did give one, it was for free. Money was eventually made from a couple of interviews and she donated it to women in Africa.



I have nothing against folks who do their best to get cash out of such things, on the opposite. She gave an interview in just two weeks, was it really that long after she got free? And she did do everything to be in the media, if she didn't want to, she would be out of the world of the media nad live like any normal anonymous (well, semi-anonymous) citizen.



Yes, that is EXACTLY how a victim behaves you idiot. Are you stupid, or ignorant, or obtuse, or all three? Go and have a read about Stockholm Syndrome you moron. She was NOT in a relationship with the guy.



She claims she doesn't suffer from any sort of "syndrome" herself. Anyway, she's just way too strong mentally to experience anything like this. And if he did treat her THAT bad, she wouldn't have any syndrome; she'd hate him.



No, you're repeating bull$h1t that "German authors" made up. Which of these German authors was there in the house during the 8 years? Please supply us with a full list. Wait ... what? None of them was in the house and as such none of them has any idea what they're talking about? Hey they're just like you!


Guido Grandt, Udo Schulze - read their:" Staatsaffäre Natascha Kampusch". They didn't need to be in the house' they just needed to talk with the neighbors who saw NK many times outside, also with one neighbor of the mother of WP who stated he once saw them visiting her. They also talked with the police who saw that the dungeon was covered with dust all over, including the lid of the toilet bown, on which there were standing detergents and the like - so no one could have used it for long.




Yes, but there IS NO SUCH PROOF so the question is irrelevant. The only liar her is YOU.



Dude, what do you want from me, I'm just pointing out the contradictions.



No it wasn't. Her hair was quite short at the time of her escape.


It wasn't; hair shaved a year ago would be much shorter.




There are NO CLIPS WHATSOEVER which were taken by a third person.


Complete and utter BULL$H1T. She was NEVER seen with him in a restaurant, or waiting alone in a car. NOT ONCE.



Read more about this case, even on the net if you can't get the books. Oh, there's also another book - "Missing" by Alan Hall, cowritten with NK's dad. He states in it taht she was seen with him outside like 30 times at east, like when they were riding bikes or in a romantic fish restaurant where the dude took her after a reccomendation of his neighhbor that it was a good place to take a girlfriend. The clips were seen by the police but they got it back to her so there's no chance to check them. And what about her statements that "she didn't know any names" when she was asked by the police about any accomplices - normally, she should have told them that there was no one else and not that she didn't know the names - whose names?




No, it doesn't you moron. You can go to any chiropractor or masseuse and get your back cracked, then walk home. Exactly HOW stupid are you???



It's something different - chiropractors don't beat you up.



At 18, when she escaped, she weighed only slightly more than she did when she was kidnapped at age 10, even though she had grown 6 inches. She was CLEARLY underfed.


But it's not being THAT underfed - I'm 1,73 cm tall (no idea how tall it is in feet and inches) and I weigh 53 kilos. And I'm not starving, that's how my natural body built is like.





Now we start to understand why you are such a moron. You don't see why someone would want an education for the sake of knowledge and self improvement? You only think people seek education so that they can make money from what they learn? Seriously ... are you really THAT stupid and THAT ignorant?


I'm not a moron, an ignorant person or someone with a low IQ; on the opposite, I'm gifted. I could read at 3 and at 7 I already read books intended for adults with full understanding. Nevertheless, yes, my opinion is that people need education just to be able to get a good job. You can normally leearn stuff you are interested in on your very own. If I were for example a Hollywood star or someone like that, I'd resign from school right after it would be legally possible.




COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY WRONG. She was treated to CONSTANT physical, verbal and emotional abuse.


Who can prove it to the world? The fact is that there are people claiming they saw her outside and the police stated the dungeon was uninhabitable; she could live at home.




"Yes, there was a kidnap but I bet she wasn't treated that bad as she likes to claim."

Based on what you a$$hole???


On what I wrote above. If she lied she was not outside and that she couldn't leave the dungeon, then what else is she lying about? Anyway, if she was treated that bad, she would be a broken person and not a media horny one.




"It was proved she didn't live in this cellar for long..."

No, it wasn't.


So how can it be that everything in the dungeon was dusty, there was no food, it looked just like a storage room and that you could open it from inside, as there was a handle just inside and not outside?




Tell us Einstein, if she was in a relationship with him, and he didn't treat her badly, and he took her out to restaurants, and she sat in the car by herself on many occasions, and he took care of her, then why did he commit suicide after she left one day? I mean ... if your story is right then why was he even worried when he came back to the car and she wasn't there? Surely he would just think she'd gone down to the shop or something. According to you he hadn't done anything wrong, she was perfectly happy, she wasn't being forced to stay there, and everything was OK. So why didn't he just wait for her to come back? Why did he jump in front of a train?

Because he thought she was going to stay with him. She run away because, as the friend of the kidnapper admitted, he told him that on that day they had a quarrel about the best way of how to prepare a soup and she was so angry that she run away. Se didn't want to go back to her parents and if she was a minor , she would have no rights to take care of herself. He was going to marry her, as the kidnapper's friend said, he loved her like mad and believed she loved him back. So he thought she was going to be with him. He trusted her. Johann Schneider, a man who was a neighbor of WP, said once he saw them kissing at the threshold of his house and later on he went to the car and drove away and she came back home - certainly not to lock herself up in the dungeon. When she run away, he knew he was wrong. Anyway, it wa sproved he was killed by someone - his head was cut away by something else than the train.





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Here's a user that's obviously a troll, so I'm gonna ignore his/her posts.

OP: Natascha was "groomed" by her kidnapper. She was forced to believe her family didn't care about her the first years of her abduction, and she was in such a sensitive age, this man was the only human she was able to see in years.
I know she lied in her first police interview about no sexual abuse, but I think she felt too embarrased, so after she started to recieve psychiatric treatment, she was able to process that.
We don't know if she was raped since year 1 or since later, as we see in this movie. She is very secretive about that. But she was raped, indeed.
When she started to grow, she gradually gained access to the "upper house" and eventually, to the outside. She was expecting her chance.
I know she still hides a lot of things and there's some facts we will never know. But this young woman was indeed kidnapped, how could people don't believe her? Shame on them.


Please excuse my terrible redaction, english is not my native language IMDb = Catch-22

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