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Incest? (Spoilers Inside)

posted 11 years ago by thekashif
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Spoilers Below: .......

I may be wrong but do you feel Addison's love for Liza was more than a brother sister love. In the beginning when she was changing clothes and he was looking at her at which she says "Its ok to look" and also at the end at the table scene he kisses her on lips. He was also possessive towards Jay. Like I said above I may be wrong but I think it that way.

What you think?

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[–] matt_shade 11 years ago

There was a mutual incestuous attraction but (IMHO) he kissed her as part of the mindgame to check Jay's response. The whole movie is that the siblings are damaged but not that damaged.

But that's just me. ...or the clinical depression talking.

[–] nocturnus-x7 11 years ago

You forgot about the scene at the bar (where Liza and Jay are stranded due to snowfall), when they're getting it on and she says "Fck me, Addison"

With my feet upon the ground I lose myself between the sounds

[–] speteman 11 years ago

Exactly. When she says "*beep* me, Addison," she basically tells the viewer that her brother and she have an incestuous relationship.

[–] exatera 11 years ago

I think that phrase only referred to their mutual attraction, not that they actually had an incestuous relationship.

Here is why:
1) when she told Addison "it's okay, you can look", he spoke of the devil;
2) the way she said that ("*beep* me, Addison") sounded as though she'd been fantasizing about it, and not like it had actually been real.

Anyway, just my personal take on it.

[–] alexjx 11 years ago

I noticed this, not only did she tell the bartender his name was Addison, but she even went further to say his name while she was in bed with the other dude. That's really not normal behavior. Also at the dinner table he leaned in and planted a kiss directly on his sisters lips, that's not how brothers and sisters kiss.

[–] Trumerica 11 years ago

Yeah after the scene when she said it was OK to look I figured perhaps she just called him brother when there was no relation.

[–] ZaZeus 11 years ago

Did you really have to post on a message board to get confirmation of this very obvious fact. He practically French kissed her at the dinner table for chrissakes

[–] lamont-hard 11 years ago

I think they were having sex also, the thing is they both seemed to have enjoyed it. They were screwed up and there is no way they could have held off on there lust/desire for each other in all that alone time. Remember people they were both messed up so having sex with each other was no biggie.

[–] kadeskiss 11 years ago

Did you really have to post on a message board to get confirmation of this very obvious fact. He practically French kissed her at the dinner table for chrissakes

If you read some people post, you will notice that some people do not see it that way. Some believe that their relationship didn't go that far. I on the other hand take it as a incestal relationship.

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[–] red_portal 11 years ago

Was it even subtext? It seemed like text that there was some kind of temptation there...but I didn't get the idea they'd ever had sex, just that the dysfunctional relationship between them was very skewed and confused.

[–] aoa8212 10 years ago

They definitely had an incestuous relationship. In fact Addison might have killed their father at least in part because he felt possessive towards her and didn't want to share her with him (not saying he didn't do it to protect her too, but he didn't exactly keep his sister safe either, did he?).

[–] houstonhacker 8 years ago

Did you SEE his sister? She was hot. Go, Addison, go!

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[–] eYeDEF 11 years ago

I thought the implication of incest couldn't be more obvious.

[–] YakkityNYC 10 years ago

And I suspect their father probably raped her, too. She referred to him as a "monster" several times.

Family values.

[–] eYeDEF 10 years ago

That's a good point, nice catch.

[–] Waldimore 10 years ago

I don't think they were having sex. But I think their father sexually abused her, which is why Addison saved her by killing him. But clearly they were both screwed up and there definitely was an incestuous undertone to their relationship on some level.

[–] drjono13 10 years ago

Liza said that Addison shot their father to protect her from him. But when they parted in the woods, he has her repeat that she is his (Addison's) "little girl," which normally only a father would say. She even repeats the phrase later when trying to save Jay's family, telling Addison that she was his "little girl" and they should just run away. Add to that verbal echo Addison's lustfully staring as Liza undressed, her screaming her brother's name while having sex with Jay, and her finally shooting Addison to protect Jay with her assumption Addison was about to kill him because he (Jay) had just avowed he loved her and thus would take her away from him.

Taken all together, the suggestions are that, yes, Addison did indeed save her from their sexually abusive father, but then in a brutally ironic twist, Addison then took over that role.

This conflation of brother/father/lover/savior/abuser would explain why the little girl Addison saves in the hunting cabin tells him "I think you ought to leave your sister alone," as if her sexual abuse at the hands of her stepfather gives her intuitive insight and gives her statement meaning it otherwise lacks.

[–] ramzrick 10 years ago

Bingo! You got it absolutely right and you caught every supporting action/conversation in the movie that bears this out. I told my wife the same conclusion and mentioned each point you made except for the little girl saying "... leave your sister alone". I came to this conclusion when Liza was doing the scenes in the motel with Jay. The evidence kept stacking up.

Unrelated: when Addison handed the gun to Liza in the woods as they parted, I knew she would kill him with it eventually. I thought it would be at the table as that situation developed, but outside was the better ending.

Unrelated: you just knew the sheriff was going to get shot in front of his daughter; what a jerk. Played to a T by Treat.
Edit: almost forgot - he mistakenly SHOOTS HER. And this after all but letting her know she was incompetent to serve. What a putdown of his manhood and competence. Somebody got an axe to grind here...

In my opinion, this movie was primarily about Liza and Addison and her eventual escape from their relationship. The rest provided the drama and tension that would give Liza the courage to take the final step to free herself. I'm sure there must be a Greek tragedy on just this theme...