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I honestly would have preferred a hispanic to play the lead instead of

posted 13 years ago by RobBase086-1
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Do not get me wrong, but if I was the director of this film I would have looked for a true hispanic woman to play the role of Colombiana. Saldana may have a hispanic name, but in all reality she is not really hispanic because I read her bio. It states that she was born in the United States in New Jersey. Her family moved at a young age to the Dominican Republic. My theory is that the reason why she may have a hispanic name is because her mother could have married a guy from the Dominican Republic, or she might have gotten married herself at a young age to have a hispanic name.

I would have had a casting call in like Colombia, or even taken a no name actress who was hispanic to play the lead role in the film. Now there are hispanics from Cuba who are black, but they are Spanish though. I just figured that I would put my 2 cents about the movie even though it looks good to watch. My only complaint is that they did not cast the lead character properly for this film.

I notice now that Angelina Jolie has opened it up for women to become action heroes that more films are being designed to have lead actresses as the action heroin in the films these days. I do miss the old past of such actors like Stallone, Bruce Willis, the Govenator himself, Steven Seagal, Jan Van Claude, or any other lead male actors doing action films. There is not enough like there once was 20 or 30 years ago. I should mention Chuck Norris in this as well because I remember in the late 70's and throughout the 80's watching some good action films from Chuck Norris.

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[–] Gregoire-2 13 years ago

This would never have gotten made without a name actress in the lead role, so your desire in this case is useless.

[–] RobBase086-1 13 years ago

Well if I was a director I still would have fought tooth and nail to get what I wanted from the film company. I do have a idea for a action film and it will take place in Spain. I am half Spanish who is from Spain originally and I hate to say it, but I would only cast for the lead Spanish woman a hispanic woman. My ideas would be Penelope Cruz, Salma Hayek, Eva Mendez can be included in this, or even Rosyln Sanchez. If I could not get one of them ladies to play the lead female role then I will go with a no name actress who is hispanic and not fill in with someone who is not hispanic in real life.

Sometimes a director has to stick to his or her guns on what they believe in with the film studios because I have heard it from directors before state that.

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[–] auroramonroe1978 13 years ago

How are these women more hispanic than Zoe?

Eva Mendes was born in the USA just as Zoe was. However, Eva never lived in a spanish speaking country the way Zoe did.

The only difference between Zoe, whose family is hispanic, and these other actresses listed is skin color. They are all light skinned hispanics and Zoe is a dark skinned hispanic. I don't know what delusions you are playing under but there ARE black hispanics in this world. Stop trying to front like there aren't.

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[–] RobBase086-1 13 years ago

I do not think a lot of you people go through every post of mine because I have clearly stated that there are black hispanics and I have met them in person and seen sports players as well being black who are hispanic. Just because I feel that it is my opinion about something and I state it I am allowed to do that. It is in the Constitution Freedom of Speech. If I feel that I would have rather have seen another actress then I should be allowed to state that! I was born in Spain, but on a naval base. I speak Spanish fluently even though the longest I ever lived over in Spain was 7 months due to serving my country for the Navy and I have when I was a teenager spent the Summer months over in Spain visiting my moms side of the family. No one believes that I am Amaerican due to my dark hair, my features that I have, and olive complexion skin. Some of you people are calling Spanish people being light skinned there is a big difference to that. We do not look as white as some American men and women are in skin complexion. They might be a lighter color skin color than Zoe is, but they are still hispanic though. I have no problem with her. I was merely speaking my opinion.

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[–] auroramonroe1978 13 years ago

"I honestly would have preferred a hispanic to play the lead instead of..."

This is the title of the thread YOU began! YOU are the one who claimed Zoe was not hispanic. You have been countered at every turn. YOU are the one who insisted she wasn't a real hispanic. Not us.

Now you try to backtrack, first it was because Zoe wasn't born in a spanish speaking country, she only moved there. NULLIFIED by the fact that the potential pool of talent you cited includes women who were not only not born in Spanish speaking countries but never lived in one, as Zoe has.

Then, it was because her parents were not really hispanic, but rather, her mother married a hispanic, hence, how she got her last name. WRONG!

Next, it was because true hispanics only have olive skin. ALSO WRONG!

Following that, it was because Zoe has never portrayed an hispanic character. WRONG AGAIN!

And currently, it is because Zoe didn't have an accent during the movie. IRRELEVANT! She has shown the capacity to do accents in previous roles. She could have very well been instructed not to have one to make it easier for English speaking audiences to follow.

Believe me, ALL of your points are moot. You have no point and while you are entitled to go on sounding like a complete buffoon, we are also entitled to point it out at every turn.
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[–] RobBase086-1 13 years ago

Roslyn Sanchez was born in a Spanish speaking country and so was Salma Hayak as well where you were wrong with your answers!

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[–] auroramonroe1978 13 years ago

ALSO INCORRECT! What I said was 100% correct and the fact that you can't see that leads me to believe you may possibly be lacking in comprehension skills.

Here is what I said...

"NULLIFIED by the fact that the potential pool of talent you cited INCLUDES women who were not only not born in Spanish speaking countries but never lived in one, as Zoe has."

Notice I used the word includes by itself and not the term "only includes" pertaining to the fact that your list has some actresses who were not born in Spanish speaking countries? Thus, meaning that the list simply contains some who were not born. To assume that sentence means the pool only has actresses not born in Spanish speaking countries is just that, an illogical assumption. I never said anything of the such.

Obviously there are some actresses in your recommended pool who were born in Spanish speaking countries. But the fact is that you first argued Zoe wasn't hispanic and wasn't born in a spanish speaking country as if this is some sort of evidence to support your poorly drawn position that she was mis-cast. Pointing out that your very recommendations don't seem to fit your own standards establishes just how off base you truly are. But please carry on.

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[–] RobBase086-1 13 years ago

Oh well! Who cares! So I made some mistakes. There was only one actress who was not born in a Spanish speaking country and that was Eva Mendes. Salma Hayek was born in Mexico, Roslyn Sanchez was born in a Spanish speaking country, and the mother land of all Spanish speaking countries where it originated from where I was born at was Spain and that belongs to Penelope Cruz.

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[–] rogerscorpion 7 years ago

Zoe is latina--as is Rosario Dawson. Her mom is boricua & cubana.

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[–] PhenomenalDiva 13 years ago

Wow such buffoonery. He never said any thing about race, its because she's less hispanic.

[–] auroramonroe1978 13 years ago

What makes her any less hispanic than Eva Mendes, the AMERICAN born actress who does not have a Spanish accent? What is it that makes Zoe any different? How is Eva more appropriate than Zoe? No one can explain a damn difference between the two women.

Of course he didn't say anything about race. He didn't HAVE to. It is plain as day that it is the only difference between these two women.

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[–] groovlife 13 years ago

uhh...last time I checked Zoe Saldana IS Hispanic. She's a black Latina. Get over it already. This race stuff is tiresome. The girl speaks Spanish fluently, was essentially raised in the Dominican Republic , her mother is Puerto Rican. Works for me. This is my question...why do people LOOK with microscopic intensity to find ANYTHING...ANYTHING negative to say about this girl?
She played the part (even though it's not of Oscar caliber-no-but it's an entertaining and action packed movie) very believably. That's what matters. And like somebody said-HER name helped to get people in the seats because they know her from Avatar, Star Trek etc.

P.S.-her father is of Dominican Republican descent

[–] RobBase086-1 13 years ago

That is good that she is hispanic, but everyone is allowed their opinions guy. I mean it would have been nice to see a Penelope Cruz, a Eva Mendez, Roslyn Sanchez, or a Salma Hayek even play the role instead of Zoe Saldana. That is all I am saying. Yes Ms. Saldana is beautiful, but I would prefer another woman to play the role in the film. They would have brought people to the seats as well also.

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[–] groovlife 13 years ago

"That is good that she is hispanic, but everyone is allowed their opinions guy. I mean it would have been nice to see a Penelope Cruz, a Eva Mendez, Roslyn Sanchez, or a Salma Hayek even play the role instead of Zoe Saldana. That is all I am saying"

Dude you just verified what we all know-Zoe has to face hate cause she's got dark skin. EVERY Hispanic you named above are all LIGHT SKINNED, they could pass for white or mediterranean. Zoe is too dark for some folks-there it is. I keep it real and I call it like I see it. Yes everyone is allowed their opinions-BUT NOT THEIR FACTS. Your first argument was that you would have preferred a "Hispanic" to play the part. Now that you've been shown Zoe is Hispanic your real preference comes to LIGHT.
Zoe did pretty darn good with this character. She's beautiful-exotically lovely. The part called for a girl who could shimmy and crawl thru tight spots and who is graceful in her moves, and Zoe was an excellent choice for the athletic but graceful Cataleya.

[–] RobBase086-1 13 years ago

Guy you are a little bit wrong about how hispanics look because I am sure if all of those ladies were to sun bathe and get out into the sun they will be very dark skinned. You go to Spain and some Spanish men and women get so dark from the sun that they could be mistaken for being black. I have people here in the states do not believe that I am half Spanish because I do take on some of my fathers traits who is American. He met my mom while in the Navy in Spain. Plus, you are being a little racial about this too as well guy because I have seen Dominican Republic, Cubanos, and I believe Puerto Ricanos that look like they are black when they are actually Spanish. Yes so she is Spanish, but she is a dark skinned hispanic. If I get out in the sun I get very dark due to my hispanic roots.

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[–] CapitanJusticia 13 years ago

"Plus, you are being a little racial about this too as well guy because I have seen Dominican Republic, Cubanos, and I believe Puerto Ricanos that look like they are black when they are actually Spanish."

Rob Base, you're the one who brought race into this when you mentioned lighter skinned woman as your preference for this role. And the reason those Dominicans, Cubanos, and Puertorican looked black is because they are black, you moron! They are the descendants of African slaves that were brought to Spanish colonies in the Caribbean.

Get this through your thick skull, Hispanic is NOT a race! Zoe is a black Hispanic.

[–] RobBase086-1 13 years ago

Look CaptanJusticia my ancestors conquered a lot of different countries and I am very proud of my heritage in being true Spanish from Spain. So I know this that the Spanish also used blacks as slaves. You need to relax it is just a conversation here. There is no need in calling people names.

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[–] groovlife 13 years ago

"Guy you are a little bit wrong about how hispanics look because I am sure if all of those ladies were to sun bathe and get out into the sun they will be very dark skinned. You go to Spain and some Spanish men and women get so dark from the sun that they could be mistaken for being black. I have people here in the states do not believe that I am half Spanish because I do take on some of my fathers traits who is American. He met my mom while in the Navy in Spain. Plus, you are being a little racial about this too as well guy because I have seen Dominican Republic, Cubanos, and I believe Puerto Ricanos that look like they are black when they are actually Spanish. Yes so she is Spanish, but she is a dark skinned hispanic. If I get out in the sun I get very dark due to my hispanic roots."

Man read what I wrote. I didn't say all Hispanics were light skinned-I said the ones YOU named as ones YOU would have preferred as the star of Colombiana are ALL light skinned. There's nothing racial about it-it's keeping it real. Even Will Smith has talked about the movie "Hitch" and how the producers felt a dark skinned romantic partner which he lobbied for would not be what audiences wanted in a romantic comedy-therefore-you get Eva Mendes. This is a fact.
And why are you talking about how some Spanish people can GET DARK-man-Zoe IS dark (brown skinned) naturally. White (caucasian) people can get dark or tanned too. There are indeed white, brown and very dark Hispanic people all over the world-but you're right-they're still Hispanic-which Zoe is. That's what this topic was about.

[–] RobBase086-1 13 years ago

Actually those ladies are not light skinned groovlife they are olive complexion which is how hispanics are. Yes I know that she is hispanic and I am not stating anything wrong with that. I was merely stating that I did not think that she was right for the role that they casted her in. There is nothing wrong with speaking your mind. Like I have stated before even to a friend of mine when we discussed the classic film that was made by Alfred Hitchcock that there will not be anyone to fill the shoes of Anthony Perkins playing Psycho and they tried doing that with Vince Vaughn in playing Norman Bates. Yes I know that we are of different ethnic groups and white people can get very dark and tanned as well.

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[–] groovlife 13 years ago

"Actually those ladies are not light skinned groovlife they are olive complexion which is how hispanics are"

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I. give. up.

[–] CapitanJusticia 13 years ago

"they are olive complexion which is how hispanics are"

You're doing it again! Did Celia Cruz have olive skin? How about Rafael Nadal or Paul Gasol? Did you know that Colombia is the Hispanic American country with the largest black population? I would personally say Zoe was not right for the role in that she plays a girl from Bogota, and there are not many Afro-Colombians in Bogota, but I know this because I'm Colombian. You, OTOH, probably didn't know there are blacks in Colombia at all.

[–] RobBase086-1 13 years ago

All I was merely doing was pointing out the difference between light skin and olive complexion skin. What is wrong with that? There has to be a correctness done here and if it is not then other people may not learn the difference. COOL That you are Colombian yourself. They should have done better type casting for this role then. Yes I know that there are blacks every where and not just in one part of the world either. The statistic that I read in a Chicago Tribune article several years ago was that by 2046 do you know what will be the minority race in the United States? Due to both the Hispanic population and the African American population will rise to a very high number. The minority will be the white race to be honest with you. Interesting facts is it not?

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[–] CapitanJusticia 13 years ago

MrsONeal, what if Zoe's part had been played by this lady:

http://www.zimbio.com/photos/Ilia+Calderon/2010+Person+Year+Honoring+P %20lacido+Domingo/hmoy3-wyXmF

She's an authentic Afro-Colombian (a reporter for Univision) who happens to bear a striking resemblance to Zoe Saldana. So would she have looked awkward playing a 'Latina from Colombia' to you?

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[–] CapitanJusticia 13 years ago

"I don't mean to sound shallow, but in this country, people ARE what they look like."

So was Michael Jackson 'white'? He sure looked it to me.

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[–] RobBase086-1 13 years ago

I am glad that you understand the point that I was trying to make MrsONeal and that you agree with me that it would have been better had a Eva Mendez or Selma Hayak been casted to play the lead role. You are very correct about President Obama not looking as if he is white when he takes more of his fathers features. Thank you for letting me know that the film was not all that good. Yes it is going to cause problems and I agree with you there on what you are stating. I am not sure why they did not cast a black male to play the lead role to avoid contraversy. I think they want to stir the pot a bit to get people to make comments on these boards is what I think because it was not until Jungle Fever when Spike Lee casted a white woman to be in a film with a african american. It was very contraversial I believe 20 years ago or so when it came out because at that time there were not that many black men dating white women. There were, but you did not see as much as you see it now a days.

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[–] RobBase086-1 13 years ago

Yes that was the point that I was trying to make was what others are thinking. I am picky about films and how they should be done if they are not properly done correctly. No we are not there yet for it to be a perfect world, but eventually we will be though. You are correct that if President Obama was not president and he was hailing for a cab that he would not see a cab all right due to the color of his skin. I mean he can claim two different ethnic backgrounds, but he is more than likely to lean more toward being black than anything else.

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[–] gnome-5 13 years ago

"I think because it was not until Jungle Fever when Spike Lee casted a white woman to be in a film with a african american."

Ever heard of "Guess Who's Coming To Dinner"?

[–] RobBase086-1 13 years ago

Yes I have heard of that movie because it has Spencer Tracy in the film and Sidney Poitie in it. I am sorry if I mispelled his name. What I meant by the film Jungle Fever done by Spike Lee is that you did not see too many African Americans with white women that often 20 or more years ago. If you did it was very little. It is not like how it is now.

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[–] macb22 13 years ago

so u basically want someone who is light and the images of what only a hispanic woman looks like to play the part

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[–] RobBase086-1 13 years ago

No I am not saying light skinned at all just a actual hispanic woman to play the role. It would be like me doing a action film in Spain and wanting to use a woman who is Spanish for the role of the female and instead of grabbing a Spanish actress to play the role I ask a American woman and she does not have a Spanish accent. Would it look right? I mean as an example, Angelina Jolie playing the lead female role as a hispanic woman. Could she do it? Possibly she could if she keeps her hair dark and begins to practice working on getting an accent that she is from Spain, but it just would not be the same effect if it was not done with a woman with a true Spanish from Spain. I hope you understand on what I mean about this.

See the film studios what they want to do is fill the seats in a movie theater and it does not matter if they are actually grabbing the true thing about it. The main thing is that as long as they can get someone who is going to bring in the money for them is all they really care about.

A good friend and I have spoken about this and made a wager that possibly someone after Sylvester Stallone passes away will want to redo the Rocky movies. He is Italian American and our prediction is that more than likely someone is going to try to make Rocky Balboa African American or Mexican I bet. Look at the remake that Will Smith did with The Karate Kid it was written that the main character be African American and altered to a degree to make it look like a remake which I never agreed with at all. I always feel that if a remake is going to be done you do it as close to the original as you can, but you update it to modern times without changing the story too much.

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[–] RobBase086-1 13 years ago

See I would not have had any problem at all if Will Smith called the film something else then I would have paid the money to go see his new version of what he was wanting to make. It is like Quentin Tarrintino when he did Inglorious Bastards. He loved the original The Dirty Dozen which is one of my favorite films to watch. I have respect for Mr. Tarrentino because he called it something else and created it in his own vision. Same way with Denzel Washington wanting to remake Manchurian Canidate he should have called it something else instead of the original tital. No I do not think you are wrong about that, but I do agree with you about miscasting for the lead roles though.

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[–] groovlife 13 years ago

"If I say this out loud, I am chastised because I am black and it looks like I'm putting my own people down, but both those re-makes were stupid because of the blatant miscasts!"
You should be chastised! You should be ashamed for saying a Black Latina should be denied a role based on the color of her skin-and you say you're black! Wow. just wow. Unbelievable. These are movies-these are not real characters-they are figments of someone's imagination. If a director gets the go ahead to remake a movie and changes the color or race of the main character SO WHAT. Jerry Lewis-thank goodness-was big hearted enough not to jealously guard a fictional character he portrayed in a movie-going so far as to produce the remake of the "Nutty Professor" with Eddie Murphy in the lead! Guess you had a problem with that too huh Miss Purity. I'm glad there are more open minded, clear headed people in Hollywood than you and that so called Rob Base.

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[–] SexySamosa 13 years ago

Actually, the only REAL and TRULY Spanish actress you've mentioned was Penelope Cruz.

You claim to be half-Spanish, so you do understand that many Spanish resent America's depiction of them as interchangeable with Mexicans and Puerto Ricans?

[–] jpat99 13 years ago

Because Spain is a country, not a race. If you are not from Spain, you are not Spanish. Hispanic is a culture, not a race. If you are from a place that was colonized by Spain, and speaks Spanish, you are Hispanic, no matter what your race is .

[–] RobBase086-1 13 years ago

Yes you are correct that the only true Spanish accent is Penelope Cruz.

Yes and I do not agree with categorizing Spanish from Spain with the Spanish from other countries that are Spanish orient. Yes I know that it is interchangeable with Mexicans and Puerto Ricans.

Due to me being half Spanish from Spain I have had person say once to me, "You are just like your ancestors who conquered different countries! You are cocky, arrogant, and egotistical!"

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[–] jpat99 13 years ago

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Now there are hispanics from Cuba who are black, but they are Spanish though.
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Then how do comments like this, make any sense ?

[–] RobBase086-1 13 years ago

The point that I was trying to make was if the actress had a heavy accent of being Spanish it would have been perfect in my opinion. It may not make sense to you, but it is the truth though.

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[–] jpat99 13 years ago

Eva Mendes is also an American actress. She was born in Miami, Florida, to Cuban parents, and was raised in the Los Angeles suburb of Glendale. She has no Spanish accent.

[–] RobBase086-1 13 years ago

The main thing is that she is Cubana and I prefer hispanic women from any Spanish Speaking country over an American woman. Yes I have seen her in films and she does not have an accent at all. She is still hot though!

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[–] jpat99 13 years ago

How is she any more Hispanic than Zoe ?

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Cuban parents make you Hispanic, but Puerto Rican, or Dominican parents do not ?

[–] RobBase086-1 13 years ago

If you look at Eva Mendez's features she looks more hispanic than what Zoe does I hate to say it. Plus, look at the olive color complexion that Eva has. She is smoking hot!

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[–] jpat99 13 years ago

Neither "Hispanic" nor "Latino" refers to a race, as a person of Latino/Hispanic ethnicity can be of any race. Like non-Latinos, a Latino can be of any race or combination of races: White/Caucasian, Black/African American, Asian, Native American, Native Hawaiian/Other Pacific Islander American, or Two or more races. I just can't understand your point, because you are using some form of the word Hispanic that I can't find anywhere.

[–] RobBase086-1 13 years ago

Well if you look at a application that you fill out it lists Hispanic meaning more than one Spanish background. It signifies for people of Spanish cultures whether they are Spanish from Spain, Colombian, Mexican, or any other Spanish speaking country guy. Why are you being so picky for?

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[–] jpat99 13 years ago

Because it doesn't ask,'White Hispanic, Black Hispanic, or Mixed Hispanic' ! It's ethnicity not race. People of all races, that are Hispanic, check that box.

[–] RobBase086-1 13 years ago

I check it because I am half Spanish and I was always told by my parents from the time I was very young that you claim that you are a minority because a lot of companies have to hire so many of them and it is a better way of moving up in the company. I have yet to see it because since I have joined the work force I have never seen it help me get a job or get promoted in a job either. I now work for the Federal Government and I hope it opens up some doors for me that way.

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[–] CapitanJusticia 13 years ago

"The other ethnicities(except blacks in Brazil) are small minorities in almost every country."

Wrong! Whites are the majority on Argentina, Uruguay, and of course Spain. Blacks aren't a small minority in the Dominican Republic or Colombia either.

[–] kronos9610 13 years ago

Neither "Hispanic" nor "Latino" refers to a race, as a person of Latino/Hispanic ethnicity can be of any race. Like non-Latinos, a Latino can be of any race or combination of races: White/Caucasian, Black/African American, Asian, Native American, Native Hawaiian/Other Pacific Islander American, or Two or more races. I just can't understand your point, because you are using some form of the word Hispanic that I can't find anywhere.

But I'm not so sure how long that perception will last. The vast majority of hispanics today have something in common and that is NATIVE AMERICAN BLOOD. That native ancestry gives "latinos" their unique features. The other ethnicities(except blacks in Brazil) are small minorities in almost every country.

Outside of the U.S. the word latino or hispanic don't really mean much. Calling a black person "Latino" is similar to calling a Chinese guy born in America "anglo". In Latin America a black person is black, an asian person is asian and a white person is white. It's been like that for quite some time. Only in the U.S. they are trying to put everybody in the same bag.

[–] kronos9610 13 years ago

Wrong! Whites are the majority on Argentina, Uruguay, and of course Spain. Blacks aren't a small minority in the Dominican Republic or Colombia either.

Sure, That's why i said "in almost every country". And Spain doesn't count here.

Edit: Yep i saw the confusion there, Kinda contradictory saying "except blacks in brazil". But yeah, Argentina and Uruguay still have a big percentage of people of mainly european ancestry. But mestizaje is also happening there. In only a few decades this will be more noticable.

[–] eval333 13 years ago

I'm so tired of this. but it is funny how you talk about things thinking you know IT ALL!!! FOR A FACT PAPERWORK EVERY WHERE ARE ASKING SPECIFICS -- BLACK HISPANIC, WHITE HISPANIC OR OTHER HISPANIC I JUST RECENTLY FILL OUT A FORM AND NOTICED THIS SINCE I HAD TO LOOK AT THE OPTIONS/......YOU ARE SO DESPERATED TO SEE THE WORLD ONLY THE WAY YOU WANT TO SEE IT, YOU DO NOT SEE REALITY.

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[–] groovlife 13 years ago

"How is she any more Hispanic than Zoe?"

Excellent question! But you can't reason with this dude-he is so set in his opinions he can't cut himself out with an electric saw. Zoe is just too too black looking to be Hispanic to him (although there are blacks in Colombia, Brazil,Dominican Republic- on and on and now he's got a pardner who's agreeing with him that based on Zoe's browness she just ain't appropriate for this role honey. Cause you know it ain't no brown Hispanics now don'tcha???
You know who RobBase and that Msneal person remind me of? George W. Bush-who when he went to Brazil was SHOCKED I mean SHOCKED that they had BLACK PEOPLE TOO!!!

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[–] auroramonroe1978 13 years ago

Eva Mendes, who you recommended for the part, does not have a spanish accent. So, again, your point is moot.

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[–] RobBase086-1 13 years ago

No it is not moot! A actor or actress is suppose to be able to do things if they are asked to do it. So if it meant while filming the movie that she goes with a speech coach to get her an accent they can work with her to get that accent guy. So my suggestion is not moot like you have stated. Plus, if you look at a resume that some of these actors and actresses list they will state in them that they can be a person from Russia with a accent, french, or any other foreign country. I have friends who are in the business in the film industry and I have looked over their resume. They want to be well rounded and if it means getting the role you are going to do what ever it takes to get it. If a director told you for example you need botox done to look younger what do you think you are going to do? Run to get botox done so you can go back for the try out and say Mr. Director I did what you said and try out once again!

I have had a college professor who was an actress and she told us in class that she was trying out for this film. She tried out 4 or 5 times and even dressed up for the role. Do you know what kept her from getting the role in the film even though she could play the part? The casting director stated she did not have a big enough chest and she might have been a bit short.

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[–] auroramonroe1978 13 years ago

Actually, it is.

You recommended Eva Mendes who does not have an accent while complaining that Zoe did not have an accent.

How do you know whether Zoe, who speaks spanish fluently, can not speak with a Spanish/Colombian accent? She has done other accents in previous roles. Why would you assume that the reason why she did not have an accent in this movie was due to her ineptitude? How do you know she was not told NOT to do one? Because I hate to break it to you but often times American audiences, to whom the movie is targeted, do not respond to heavy spanish accents. They have difficulty understanding them. It is actually one of the biggest issues with Penelope Cruz and why she has not been bigger in the U.S. market. People can't understand what the hell she is saying and it takes them out of the movie. This movie is written and performed in English. She doesn't need an accent.

If you want a movie done in Spanish or with a heavy Spanish accent with a Colonbian actress who doesn't posses black skin, you go ahead and get the funds to do that movie. In the meantime, us Americans who are well aware and embracing of the black hispanics of the world, will be supporting and enjoying this movie. Take your bigotry elsewhere.

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[–] RobBase086-1 13 years ago

Well I did not hear people complain about Antonio Banderas when he was acting in the 90's with his heavy accent. Penelope Cruz does not have a heavy accent at all and I was not trying to be a bigot here.I was merely stating my opinion about how I felt the film should have been done. I see a lot of other people do it in other boards and do I complain about it like you and other people do about a persons ompinion? No I do not.

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[–] auroramonroe1978 13 years ago

No, I am sorry. Penelope's accent is crazy strong and very, very difficult to discern. Antonio's accent is easier to understand but it does take effort. Regardless, some directors prefer not to have it. It is their choice and equally acceptable in an English medium.

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[–] RobBase086-1 13 years ago

I have not problems understanding Penelope Cruz or Antonio's accent. I guess it is because I grew up hearing it in my house because my mom still has her accent and we joke with her because she will mix words that are Spanish with English and we call it Spanglish. I even have friends in California that say that they speak Spanglish. LOL So I have no problem understanding them at all. You can check out the film with Salma Hayek and Penelope Cruz in Banderas which was a very good film done by those two ladies. Very hot too!

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[–] RobBase086-1 13 years ago

I find it very frustrating when I do not know how many freaking times I have stated that there are a lot of black hispanics who I have met that are blacks and speak spanish. I am not being racist or anything. I know they exist because I have met them myself! I even had friends who were born in Africa and moved to Spain and became Spanish citizens and speak Spanish perfectly well. I have even met Alex Brown who is married to a Puerto Rican woman that he met when he was attending college down in Florida before he became a Chicago Bear football player and now his son is mixed half puerto Rican and half Black.

You should go to Spain and watch this film because do you know how they are going to do it? They will have Zoe's real voice and American accent on mute and have some other female who speaks Spanish do the voice over for the actress. I bet you did not know that. It is hilarious going to watch an American movie and seeing people who you have heard a million times talk and you hear someone else who is from Spain speak for them. I saw this happen with a lot of American shows from past to current and it is so funny too! Especially when I was there 8 years ago and I heard someone else talking for Will Smith on The Fresh Prince Of Bel Air. I have even watched Eddie Murphy in Boomerang because I remember paying to go see that at the movie theater 19 years ago. It was hilarious to watch. I was like, "They need to get the real voices for the films because it will sound better that way. Not have someone elses voice talking for these actors and actresses."

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[–] auroramonroe1978 13 years ago

Salma and Antonio are not nearly as difficult to understand as Penelope. She is notorious for being unintelligible. You must remember the intended audience is English speaking. There is nothing wrong with having an accent. However, there is also nothing wrong with a director opting out of one. That's all I am saying.

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[–] RobBase086-1 13 years ago

Ok then that is just fine then!

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[–] RobBase086-1 13 years ago

I can remember when Salma first came to the United States from Mexico she did not speak English all that well at all. She was doing Spanish Soaps over in Mexico. Penelope she can do some work to improve and if you give her time she will get better at speaking English. I understand and respect that as well. Now I have a film that I am currently writing and I see on how I would love to have the film made I would like to hire actresses that actually can speak with a Russian accent, Italian, Mexican accent, and even a English accent from England. If these actresses cannot do it then they are fired!

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[–] groovlife 13 years ago

you said:

"I was merely stating my opinion about how I felt the film should have been done. I see a lot of other people do it in other boards and do I complain about it like you and other people do about a persons ompinion?"

You ARE entitled to your opinion and these boards are for stating one's opinions about movies, actors and such. What you are NOT entitled to sir, are YOUR OWN FACTS. And every last such false statement you've made to support your biases including the topic of this thread-that Zoe is not Hispanic and you would have preferred a Hispanic actress to play the lead in this movie HAS BEEN THOROUGHLY proven to be false. Zoe IS Hispanic. Zoe HAS played a Hispanic character in a well known role. The really lame point you brought up about the accent was so idiotic it wasn't really worth replying but I and others pressed on and pointed out that Cataleya was RAISED in the United States so would most likely NOT HAVE had a noticeable accent.
Dude-I'd prefer you to just give your opinion than make up facts. If you don't like Zoe as an actress just say it and get it over with. Anything but making all these strange and untrue statements would be preferred.
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[–] RobBase086-1 13 years ago

What ever! If you do not like it like it then move on to someone elses posts then!

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[–] ryoko_the_spacepirate1 12 years ago

Hispanic is not a race it is an ethnicity.The government acknowledges that Hispanic is not a race.If you look at those forms that people fill out for race this is why they tend to have Hispanic followed by black,white,other.There are white/black/asian and native american hispanics.People that ethnically originate from spain are considered caucasion.The Hispanics that are in south America,puerto rico etc are not spanish but they are Hispanic because spain conquered that area and integrated their culture onto them.

She is an actual hispanic because she descends from the Hispanic culture she just also happens to be black.Angelina could do that role because again hispanic is not a race its an ethnicity.All hispanics dont have dark hair and eyes it makes no sense that a woman from spain should would be better because she is from spain.Spain is not columbia.

The karate kid is a remake and I dont see how it counts as an example of what you are trying to convey unless it was called the italian american karate kid.

Those olive tone dark haired dark eyed people you are picturing for this role are propbably Hispanic native peoples.

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[–] geekwench 12 years ago

"No I am not saying light skinned at all just a actual hispanic woman to play the role."

Zoe Saldana IS AN ACTUAL HISPANIC WOMAN, you idiot.

[–] MilesAhead 13 years ago

You are a troll. You trying to pretend that Hispanic is a race, it's not. And most Spaniards look like other Southern Europeans and are considered White!

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[–] RobBase086-1 13 years ago

You can think what you want because Spanish is a race because if it were not for my ancestors the United States or other South American countries would not have been discovered. Plus, the Spanish language would not be spoken either. The Spanish from Spain is like the English from England. It is the proper way of speaking Spanish because in other Spanish speaking countries they speak the language, but the words can signify different meanings. We are not white I hate to say it.

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[–] Dominicanbeauty 13 years ago

You can think what you want because Spanish is a race because if it were not for my ancestors the United States or other South American countries would not have been discovered.

Explain to me how Spanish is a race

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[–] RobBase086-1 13 years ago

Spanish is a race because it speaks Spanish just like the Italians is a race, the Japanese are a race, Chinese, or any other ethnic group is a race.

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[–] MilesAhead 13 years ago

Then you don't know what the word race means. I have lived in France and they're are many Spanish immmigrants there as well As Italians. Some French have Spanish grandparents etc. No one considers them another race. They are not mestizos but look like other Europeans.

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[–] RobBase086-1 13 years ago

Yes I know what the word race means. I did not know that they looked at the Spanish as not a different race. This is new to me. Yes I guess now that I look at it and think about it we do look like all the other Europeans. With exceptions to skin color though because everyone tends to be differently than others though.

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[–] Dominicanbeauty 13 years ago

Race doesn't exist

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[–] RobBase086-1 13 years ago

Well I guess race does not exist then.

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[–] TwinkDream 12 years ago

Well said, the @OP clearly is uncomfortable with the fact that Zoe is Black!!! She was great as Cataleya!

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[–] nikkiten1979 12 years ago

Your own title for this post:

I honestly would have preferred a hispanic to play the lead instead of

You basically said she's NOT Hispanic. How is that an opinion? You are trying to tell us that in your OPINION she's NOT Hispanic, which doesn't make any sense since Penelope Cruz is a White European Spaniard; and Eva Mendez is just like Zoe - both American of Hispanic heritage and mixed background.

It's ok if you prefer another woman to play the role. Why didn't you just say that? Instead you went onto pointing out that she's not Hispanic - false and irrelevant. Her uncle in the movie wasn't Hispanic either he's from New Zealand, Molla is also a White European from Spain and not a Colombian. Of all the females you mentioned only Salma Hayek comes from comes from a central American country (Mexico) and if I followed your logic she "qualifies" as Hispanic probably... and also speaks with a strong accent - but does that make Zoe any less Hispanic because she was born in the US and speaks with a perfect accent-free English? or is it because in your mind she just looks like your average African American and somehow I can see how that's hard to digest because they are not represented on Spanish Television much.

None of the main actors in the movie were Colombians and none of them needed to be. There aren't many action movies out there with Black actresses, so the director or producer wanted to cast someone other than an "olive" skinned Hispanic or Spaniard. I think it's refreshing. I just saw the movie and thought it would suck, but it really wasn't bad at all - very over the top, but just as over the top as any other stylized action movie.

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[–] RobBase086-1 12 years ago

I was corrected since I have posted on here and found out that she was hispanic. Still I would have casted someone else to play the role instead of her though and I am allowed to speak my opinion about it. The movie did not appeal to me so I will not pay to go see it or rent it.

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[–] nikkiten1979 12 years ago

I still think you should see it. It's $1 at redbox (if you're in the US).

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[–] RobBase086-1 12 years ago

No thanks. I do live in the US, but I will not go to see it though or rent it.

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[–] nikkiten1979 12 years ago

Then why did you even start a discussion about who you would have preferred to be the lead in this movie? So if Penelope, Salma, or Eva were in it you would have seen it? If you say you wouldn't have seen it regardless then this whole POST is absolutely useless and nonsensical.

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[–] RobBase086-1 12 years ago

I just preferred someone else to play the lead in the film instead of who they had in the film. I would have watched it if they had one of the ladies that I mentioned or even someone who is of Colombian decent.

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[–] nikkiten1979 12 years ago

Well that's a pretty sad way of thinking... but that's your choice.

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[–] RobBase086-1 12 years ago

Sorry about that.

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[–] PhenomenalDiva 13 years ago

He never brought up race. He said she was less hispanic.

[–] groovlife 13 years ago

You have the NERVE to complain about Obama being treated with disrespect yet you'd deny a part to Zoe Saldana cause her color would cause too much "ruckus". Let me tell you-Obama would not go along with the insults you've hurled at her-he's had to catch the same junk-from all races. I bet you're black too. How dare you say Zoe should be disqualified from getting a perfectly acceptable role-she's Hispanic after all-because of the color of her skin????? How dare you???
And then turn around and chastise those who disrespect Obama. Zoe should be able to get roles that fit her-and this one does perfectly. If you and Robbase are to narrow minded to realize that Hispanics come in ALL shades and colors that's YOUR PROBLEM-NOT ZOE'S. Rob Base and you-it does take two!!! As a black person I hope you NEVER feel compelled to defend me in any way.

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[–] RobBase086-1 13 years ago

I totally agree with you there SexySamosa! I mean I am a veteran from the first Gulf War and the most current conflict that we are currently in now. I am a disabled veteran who served my country. The last 2 years President Obama did not increase the disability and I believe it was social security. It affected me because every little bit helps out. President Obama you can tell is anti military because he has not increased the pay for military members and when President Bush was leaving office he gave us a increase of $6.00 and I was very pleased with that because when I first started to get my disability as a disabled veteran back in 2004 he only raised it up like a couple dollars to possibly three dollars while he was in office the last part of his time, but when he left office he increased it up to $6.00 for disability. Obama gave us disabled veterans nothing while in office!

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[–] geekwench 12 years ago

Apparently you are unaware that spending is determined by Congress, not the President. Of course, you've proven yourself abundantly intellectually challenged throughout this thread, so this is just one more fact that escapes your comprehension.

[–] RobBase086-1 13 years ago

I think a lot of people is confusing that us hispanic people are not lighter skinned. We are olive complexion. Some hispanic people are darker skin colored than others. It is still the same difference. What I was trying to make is get like someone with a accent. The actress who played the Colobiana did not have an accent at all.

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[–] jpat99 13 years ago

Because most people who move to this country before their teens, do not grow up to be adults with accents .

[–] RobBase086-1 13 years ago

The only way they do grow up with accents is if the native language is spoken inside the house. I some what wished that my mom had us speak nothing, but spanish inside the house so that I could have had an accent. I know about 15 or 20 years ago women were falling for guys with accents. Now that the hispanic community has grown so much it is hard to do that anymore.

What I mean is I use to go to a bar or club when I was younger and not act like I spoke any English at all and have the women hook line and sinker! They would be interested in hooking up with me. I would speak nothing, but Spanish though to the ladies at the bar or club. See at that time it was not well spoken here in the states, but now I think almost everyone speaks Spanish by now.

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[–] CapitanJusticia 13 years ago

Where do you come up with these silly statements? I grew up speaking Spanish in my home and I speak English fluently with an American accent.

[–] RobBase086-1 13 years ago

DudE I am 39 years old and I have been around a lot longer than you have. I have dated a Chicana from Chicago and she was born in Mexico, but grew up in a suburb of Cicero where Al Capone use to live when he was alive and she still had her accent. I have been speaking Spanish all of my life and when I speak in Spanish and go to Spain to visit family I still sound like I am American more than I do Spanish man. I have a accent like I am from Andelucia, but I still have a bit of an accent from the states here though.

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[–] groovlife 13 years ago

You say now:

"The actress who played the Colobiana did not have an accent at all." (pretty sure you meant the actress who played the Colombian????)

So...since you can no longer make the argument that she shouldn't have had the part since she's not Hispanic, when it's been clearly brought to your attention that she IS, you've invented another reason. And it's and invention. Because if you would just see the movie or read the storyline you'd know the girl was essentially raised in the U.S.A., and attended American elementary, middle and high schools...meaning she would probably have lost her accent or at least it would have not been as noticeable after such a long period during her formative years. For example-my sister's kids moved to a Northern city from the South about ten years ago. At first that Southern twang was so obvious but over time they now sound like Northerners.
But hey...you won't let facts get in the way of your prejudice against Zoe so why am I wasting my time?

[–] RobBase086-1 13 years ago

You did not understand guy in Spanish when you refer to a woman who is Colombian you say Colombiana I am saying it in Spanish term guy. I have not gone to see the film yet. I just thought that it would have been nicer to see someone else who is hispanic play the role who I know. I mean I have seen this actress in Star Trek and possibly a few other films. This is the first time that she has been casted as a hispanic woman. It all varies guy because I was in the Navy ok and there were people of all different ethnic bacgrounds and they still had their accents even though they have been speaking English for a very long time. I met Phillipinos, Spanish being from different spanish countries and they still spoke the native language, or any other foreign country you can think of. I am sure that your nieces and nephews still can get that accent or use it if they want to.

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[–] groovlife 13 years ago

You did it again!

"This is the first time that she has been casted as a hispanic woman"

one of her most famous roles-the role that really brought her to the attention of a lot of people was "Center Stage" where she played a character called EVA RODRIGUEZ.

[–] RobBase086-1 13 years ago

See I have proven my point once again "Politically Correctness" makes people way too sensitive. I say something by being honest on how I feel about something and I have so many people get their panties in a bunch because they do not like what I said. Well that is great that she played in a role as a hispanic woman! I am happy for her!

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[–] eval333 13 years ago

i'm sensing some confused people talking about race?? by the way groovlife Colombiana = Colombian same thing why are you correcting rob? you people are commenting on a subject you do not have an idea of, and i see a lot of comments of african american's that need to put other down... all these comments initially started because a Colombian actress should have been selected to play Colombiana that is our opinion!!!! and we have the right to an opinion!!!! the movie did not have one thing that was authentic Colombian and as a Colombian I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT!!!big time!! THAT IS MY OPINION!! so what people! get over the race issue! it is not about that..

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[–] auroramonroe1978 13 years ago

This is the STUPIDEST thing I have read here in quite some time and that is saying something. Zoe Saldana IS hispanic. She may not be Colombian but she IS hispanic. That is all that matters. People need to stop pretending there aren't any black hispanics. They are all over the damn place and they are just as entitled to be represented in the industry.

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[–] RobBase086-1 13 years ago

Relax I have stated that there are black hispanics out there. I think some of you people are reading certain posts that I have put up and not all of them. So she is hispanic and because I felt that I would have rather have seen another hispanic actress play the role in the film. What is wrong with me being able to speak my opinion? Man! People get their panties all in a bunch way too much online here!

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[–] venusebony 13 years ago

Your opinion RobBase086-1 is racist you seem to be promoting a racist stereotype that Hispanics are only white or people that look a certain way. Black Hispanics tend to be ignored yet there is a history about them that deserves to be represented in the movies.

[–] RobBase086-1 13 years ago

Well on how you look at it might seem like it is racist, but we as Americans are allowed to speak our mind and opinions on what we feel how things are done. Does it mean that it will happen? No it does not mean that it will happen the way that we want to see it. Look I am half Spanish and I have friends who are black hispanics. I have even had friends that were born in Africa and moved to Spain and became citizens of Spain. I have a lot of respect for their parents because they moved from Africa over to Spain for a better life for themselves and their kids. There you go with the light skinned hispanics. Do you people not know that true Spanish people are not white they are like a caramel color. That is why they are called tan colored like asians are, Native Americans, and any other ethnic group that is a tan color.

Not all Colobians are black though is the point that I am trying to make. Was Noriega black? No he was not black hispanic he was a typical tan color hispanic.

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[–] RobBase086-1 13 years ago

Well if that is how they wanted it done then that is how it was done for the film. I am merely pointing out that there are a variety of skin color for hispanics. There are some that look black, some that look as if they would fit in with a room of white people and possibly you or I would not know that they are Spanish. They come in different shapes, sizes, and skin color. See and that is why I rest my case about "Politically Correctness" has ruined todays society because people are way too sensitive anymore and if someone says something then someone like yourself it bothers you. Even my girlfriend agrees with me about "Politically Correctness" has destroyed todays society.

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[–] RobBase086-1 13 years ago

There you go stating that Hispanic women are lighter skinned. I see them not being light skinned. but olive complexion. They have a very beautiful complexion for them. Hispanics are darker than the white people who do not tan at all.

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[–] RobBase086-1 13 years ago

It is in my posts and I have read your posts several times. I am not going to waste my time to go through it for you. You will have to do that yourself!

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[–] RobBase086-1 13 years ago

What ever then!

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