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Stories are increasingly unrealistic


The cliche multiple personality disorder motivation guy was bad enough but a guy writing supernatural romance novels? Seriously? Did the writers who came up with this brilliant idea notice that all those books were written by (untalented) women? And read by desperate or teenage females?

The nerdy writer was pretty unbelievable. As was the grown-up guy coming up to him to sign his book. Yep. Don't think so.

What's next? Leprechauns?

For every lie I unlearn I learn something new - Ani Difranco

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I am a writer (print and visual - television advertisements, video and film), and so perhaps that is why I loved that episode so much. It was very authentic actually. You would not believe how many men are ghostwriters of women for that genre.

And yes, fans of that genre (and comics - if I recall correctly, they were in a comic book store?) do approach writers/authors in such a fashion all of the time.

I thought it was rather spot-on. And as I posted soon after the episode aired, the actor who played the author (Kevin Corrigan) is an incredible one. He is absolutely superb in every role he tackles.

Just my .02

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For one, they never said he was ghost writing. "Fans" knew him by name.
And two, having a man approach him? Yeah right. I'm sure there are men, well ok, maybe boys, who read Twilight but they'd probably go to the dentist rather than get in the vicinity of whatsherface to get an autograph in public.

I'm glad you're a writer but that doesn't really make the story more believable for me, sorry.

For every lie I unlearn I learn something new - Ani Difranco

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Actually, men are the original authors of two of the biggest hit television shows. Both are based upon a fantasy novel series and a comic book series - Game of Thrones and The Walking Dead.

The character was a horror/fantasy writer - not a YA author. While women tend to largely dominate the YA book market, males tend to dominate the aforementioned - and are hugely successful at it, just as the episode portrayed.

In the episode, if I recall correctly, the store where he was recognized by the fan was what he described as a fan "boy's" paradise. Most readers of this genre are boys and men (not sure if you have ever watched the AMC original series Comic Book Men with film director Kevin Smith, but it is a reality series set in the comic book shop that he owns, and I would have to estimate that 85% or more of their customers are male). A comic book was what he was attempting to purchase in that shop (where he once worked) on Necessary Roughness - the one that cost $11,000 and his card was declined.

I also only mentioned ghostwriters because you mentioned women as the writers/authors of such books. I never said that was his portrayal as the character in the episode.

And here is a picture of George R. R. Martin, the author of A Song of Ice and Fire, of which Game of Thrones is based upon.

http://cdn.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Horizontal_1374796572 .jpg

These authors have more than fans; they have groupies - which has led to HBO actually demanding that George get back to writing and stop enjoying himself so much. A lot like the character on Necessary Roughness, he has two more books to finish. As a result, they are running out of stories to tell for the fantasy drama television series.

It is very real (which, as you can see, makes it very believable).

Edit - As to not insinuate, the above picture is of George with actors from Game of Thrones. However, Google can provide many references to his fans. I am more than certain that if spotted, he would be asked to sign autographs and take pictures (with fans). Just because you or I may not know who he is by sight, does not mean fans of the author would not recognize him (a Stuck in Love film premise).

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Gotta love how you just KNOW FOR SURE that a guy wouldn't approach a writer like that. NEWSFLASH: happens a lot more than you think. Sorry.

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As much as I respect your defending the writer.. The book did NOT sound anything along the lines of TWD or GOT. His story horror based definitely sounded very Twilight-ish / YA which only reinforces the OPs point.. Maybe I'm wrong but I don't see teen boys as the demo for then YA vamp novels...

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As much as I respect your defending the writer.. The book did NOT sound anything along the lines of TWD or GOT. His story horror based definitely sounded very Twilight-ish / YA which only reinforces the OPs point.. Maybe I'm wrong but I don't see teen boys as the demo for then YA vamp novels...


I understand.

Perhaps the premise of this particular episode turned some off and they did not pay [close] attention? It happens. Not everyone is going to relate to Dani providing therapy to a famed writer instead of an athlete when that was once the only concept of the show. But as said many times here, the show is changing (for better or worse).

But just to summarize... it was stated repeatedly throughout the episode that horror and fantasy were the genre of his books. Actually, it was made very apparent (because that is how Dani came to the conclusion of the therapy he needed in the end).

The character was more Stephen King and George R. R. Martin than J.K. Rowling or Stephenie Meyer. So if this were a real world setting and you would compare him (the character, William Glass) to a YA author... you might as well do the same with Stephen and George. But no one who has heard of the aforementioned authors and knew of their work would ever do that.

In the episode, it was stated that he was a novelist who wrote "spooky/Romeo/Juliet/zombie/vampire books" - but this was Dani's quick reference to what she knew of him before Connor told her specifically of her job. In the scene where she was highlighting texts from his books, you could easily see the genre of fiction he wrote as it referenced the sword and even the comic book he was trying to purchase at the shop he worked as a teen. He had incorporated those actual items into his series.

The novels were adapted to movies and the two combined were worth billions - which is why the publisher and movie studio were after him to complete the final title in the series (Connor stated that before Dani set off on her journey to help him). His home was full of horror movie posters... dragons and zombies and crows and bats and mini guillotines and animal and human skeletons and Medieval memorabilia/weaponry used during battles and jousting tournaments by knights - a sword from the Ming Dynasty, etc.

He wrote within the horror/fantasy genre but romance was a huge part of the idea, which were his works. They made it extremely obvious. He explained that he used things purchased as inspiration. He was inspired by love... by romance. He incorporated all of this into a horror/fantasy world simply as a subplot. That, in reality, is quite indicative of the genre but was his way of coping (which Dani uncovered). He hid his love for a girl as a teen (Angie) into this fantasy world (where she was made into the character of Anjelica). It was his outlet. It was the unknowing reason why he did not want the story to end.

Anyone remember all of this? lol

These genres always have a male/female/love/romance aspect to them. It does not make them YA work - Stephen King is not considered a YA novelist is he?

(And Stephen has legions of fans, who are male, who would ask for his autograph without a second thought if given the chance ;)

Not everyone is going to like every episode. But the OP's opinion was that it was an unrealistic plotline. I was simply trying to convey that it is very real while respecting their view about the episode. One thing I completely agree upon is that overall, the stories are becoming more and more unrealistic - but that this simply was not one of them (and I liked it).

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Thank you for this thoughtful reply. Yes, I remembered all of the visit to the author and his use of memorabilia in his plots. I also liked it, but I have been enjoying most of the episodes. (Even if the science is a little "off" sometimes)

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Guess you've never heard of Christopher Pike....

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