when he mentioned that, I checked out of this show...really? REALLY? one of the most brilliant scientific minds this planet has ever known, and that's how you explain what you don't have a 'scientific' explanation for? *LUCK*!?!? are you kidding me?
it's like that Dark Matter or whatever that scientists had to come up with, some mystery element that they had to invent to make their theories work...just go with God, gentlemen, you'll be right every time
So you didn't stick around to hear Hawking's priceless explanation of what he says is absolute proof that there is no God. It's because there was no *time*. Time began at the Big Bang, so there is no Creator who could have existed before time began.
His genius must have had the day off when he came up with that answer, to which he modestly admitted he is "pretty pleased with himself" to have come up with.
It's because there was no *time*. Time began at the Big Bang, so there is no Creator who could have existed before time began.
His genius must have had the day off when he came up with that answer
OP Im with you totally. Its amazing such a great mind is incapable of thinking outside the box to accept all the harmony and order came from a creator! If God created everything then he transcends space and time so professors Hawkings theory is flawed because it is limited by his scientific insularity. Even the term big bang is a ludicrous simplification of something of staggering complexity where we are supposed to believe the universe just happened lol. Its amazing what people will believe to find an excuse not to believe in God.
shareOP Im with you totally.
Its amazing such a great mind is incapable of thinking outside the box to accept all the harmony and order came from a creator!
Its amazing what people will believe to find an excuse not to believe in God.
your in the box. he is objective and you are not.
YOU have all the answers. he is looking for them.
you Christians are simply ridiculous.
you guys claim what ? well break it down for me please which of the aprox. 4,200 world wide religions is the correct one. because by your beliefs you guys cant all be right and if that is the case then why is yours right and the others wrong.
Sorry but your religious crap is a never ending paradox.
It's like someone insisting 1 + 1 = 5
It never will be no matter how hard you try and demand it is.
If you dare reply to this.. then don't even think of posting some snotty religious crap at me unless your gonna enlighten me to the REAL true religion. That way i can go and notify the other few billion people around the world that belong to 4,199 different religions that they are ALL stupid morons and some guy on IMDB has the correct answer for every man, women, child and every living thing in existence.
Open your box and you might be able to see..
after all what you see IS reality.. nothing more than perception.
and when you cover your eyes and plug your ears your smarter ?
lol oooooh k then ..sure
it's because he's sealed inside the box of 'Atheistic Science'
I know, it's crazy how people refuse to believe in imaginary creatures. I mean, just look at that tsunami that killed a few hundred thousand people, or the bacteria that kill millions in agonizing pain- such perfect harmony! Obviously the work of a loving sky daddy!
shareto accept all the harmony and order came from a creator!
If God created everything then he transcends space and time
Its amazing what people will believe to find an excuse not to believe in God.
but can you really call something that doesn't involve living/organic matter "evolution"? doesn't something have to be alive to be able to change generation after generation (whether through conscious choosing of mates to improve the species or the lucky happenstance of positive mutations)?
and careful now, you can't imply a "purpose," because that implies a "plan," which implies a "plannER", can't have that, don't ya know!
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I find it silly to look at this universe and think anything was lucky.
To me it seems all these "lucky" things that have happened served a single purpose: to facilitate life on a planet.
If this isn't the natural evolution of the universe, it is all pointless and maybe Hawking was right.
I would think scientists would work from the standpoint that this is the ultimate goal, rather than this is the result of luck during random actions.
I find it insulting to claim that the universe is the bounds of existence. Or that we know even the smallest fraction of what is actually occurring here.
I find it insulting to claim that the universe is the bounds of existence. Or that we know even the smallest fraction of what is actually occurring here.
Give me a break. Hawking has come up with actual scientific theories and formulas. You're just saying "If you don't know something it's GOD!". It's no contest. Although nobody said you couldn't believe in whatever you wanted.
Why can't you be a non-conformist like everyone else?share
Agreed, they believe in a "god of the gaps". Where there are perceived gaps in scientific understanding they just toss in god. I can actually sympathize with thinking a god exists due to the idea that something can't come from nothing. But that would make one a deist. I don't know how or why they take the leap from there to believing they know God (capital G) and how he wants you to behave etc etc. That is insane.
shareYou have posted this from some kind of electronic device, most likely a computer. Would you not agree that using a computer is a manipulation of laws of physics, mostly the way electricity works, to control (a very small) part of the universe?
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I find it silly to look at this universe and think anything was lucky.
To me it seems all these "lucky" things that have happened served a single purpose: to facilitate life on a planet.
and careful now, you can't imply a "purpose," because that implies a "plan," which implies a "plannER", can't have that, don't ya know!
Are you sure it wasn't Zeus? What about Thor?? Santa?! Or maybe fairy tales don't exist, and someone as smart as Steven Hawking isn't dumb enough to believe in them?
sharewait, you are telling me that it wasnt Santa opening his workshop that caused the Big Bang? Such blasphemy!
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How does one even believe in a God, or why would someone believe in a God? And I need proof. Honest, rational, documented proof of a higher being's existence. And I'm not interested in hearing about the Bible or any other holy book, because the writings of man passed down for thousands of years is hardly proof of anything.
I'm not trying to start a flame war either, I'm just genuinely curious about why people believe in a higher power.
Hey Torn,
You ask how or why people believe in a deity of one form or another. It doesn't seem hard for me to understand at least part of the answers to those questions. I think the keynote of humanity is our capability to wonder about things. To wonder what is over the next hill or across the next river. To wonder about things we do not understand, cannot explain, or cannot duplicate.
Somewhere I have read that man is likely to worship that which he is unable to understand or explain, and that does seem evident with early man's worship of natural things such as the sun, moon, and stars. As man's experience grew and we learned to understand many new things, man's worship also changed along the same road of experience. Polytheism pretty much gave way to monotheistic views of a deity. With the ability to write and record our thoughts and ideas, many religions also began to record their thoughts and ideas about their deity.
Our Western world became Judeo-Christian-Muslim centric in the past two thousand years, and that Judeo-Christian-Muslim based religion fragmented into many different religions. Many of these fragmented religions each came to believe their concept of a deity along with their ideas of right and wrong was the one true religion, and all others were wrong and would be doomed to damnation of one sort or another. Some religious views would go so far as to have their followers kill all other who do not conform to their own religious dogma.
Not all religion is so intolerant, however. Some folks who practice a religion realize great comfort in their beliefs, and they do so without having to step on the toes of others who do not share the same beliefs. Some folks who are non-theists can be just as intolerant as the religious zealots who chastise others for not conforming to their one true religion. Intolerance is not limited to just religions folks.
You ask for proof of a deity, but there is no such proof for anyone who searches for empirical knowledge. The concept of God requires a leap of faith, and the world is filled with people who have made that leap of faith, even if they do not understand they have done so. Religion and empirical knowledge do not have to be at odds if only the practitioners of each would do so with tolerance and respect for others.
Best wishes,
Dave Wile
It doesn't seem hard for me to understand at least part of the answers to those questions. I think the keynote of humanity is our capability to wonder about things. To wonder what is over the next hill or across the next river. To wonder about things we do not understand, cannot explain, or cannot duplicate.
Because those people are brainwashed idiots.
shareSometimes luck is the scientific explanation. Perhaps a better term would be chance or randomness, as luck sometimes implies something supernatural, but it all amounts to the same thing.
"Passion is just insanity in a cashmere sweater!"
Personally i dont like the word randomness. i dont believe in random. There is no random. everything in our universe is a cause and effect situation. What we call ramdom is simply "effects we do not know the causes of"
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