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Awesome Thought Experiment That Show How Racist This Film Is


I love this article, so true! Sometimes you have to put the shoe on the other foot to get it:

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I want to try a thought experiment here. Imagine if a Thai company made a movie about 9/11, and that movie was specifically about the experiences of a Thai family in Tower One. Don’t worry, it’s not a bummer - it’s an uplifting story of how these people escaped death and got home safely. But imagine that, in this Thai movie, every character is Thai. There are white people running around in the background, and two of them have a couple of lines, but every single character in this story about the attack on the World Trade Center is Thai.

You’d think this was pretty weird, I bet. You’d think it displayed provincial thinking, perhaps even a cinematic xenophobia. You’d probably even laugh at how petty and small-minded this film seems.
You’d dismiss it.

Turn it around (and multiply the death toll of the event by almost 100) and you have The Impossible. While I understand that white tourists would end up congregating with other white tourists after a disaster like this, the fact that the movie relegates all Thai people to background players is baffling. There are three Thai people with lines in the film: the aforementioned medicine man, who speaks only in un-subtitled Thai, a concierge at the resort (whose fate is unknown, uncared about) and a nurse at the hospital where mom, with a nasty, nasty leg wound, ends up. Maybe there’s a fourth, a guy who drives a truck, but I can’t remember if he actually has a line or just mimes looking at his watch to indicate he’s in a hurry.

“Wait,” you argue. “This is based on a true story. Maybe in the true story these people really had no contact whatsoever with Thai locals.” Maybe, but it’s worth noting that the real family is Spanish, a swarthy bunch who look nothing like the milk pale, fair-haired McGregor and Watts. If we’re taking liberties, let’s take a couple more - like the few liberties needed to humanize the Thai people who were devastated by the tsunami. By the end of The Impossible I was actually laughing at how assiduously the film kept Thai people backgrounded in every single scene; they’re always there, but as a faceless refugee mass. They are often literally obstacles the white characters must run around."


-taken from http://badassdigest.com/2012/12/05/movie-review-the-impossible-is-deplorable/


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And here I came away thinking, what an amazing job the Thai people did of rescuing their foreign guests. It was presumably a Thai doctor who saved Naomi Watts's life, and it was the locals who made it possible for the family to be reunited.

Look, this is a movie about one family. There are hardly any speaking parts at all for anybody else. Only very small ones. I actually thought the movie worked better by concentrating on the family and putting everybody else in the background.

As for Spanish vs English, I'm assuming the producers wanted to have as many people as possible see the movie, and that would only be possible with big stars like Naomi Watts and Ewan McGregor. But at least the crew, pretty much all of them, are Hispanic.

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As for Spanish vs English, I'm assuming the producers wanted to have as many people as possible see the movie, and that would only be possible with big stars like Naomi Watts and Ewan McGregor. But at least the crew, pretty much all of them, are Hispanic.


..wanted to have as many people as possible? what? you mean as extras? I think he's talking about how the real family was hispanic... and the actors are not... elaborate...

...the crew?... what... anyway... this part of your post makes no sense...


What I'll say about the race of the main cast is that, it's funny how people keep saying, the point is that it doesn't matter what race the family is, WELL, if I didn't matter, then why did the producers have to hire big stars to even get the budget they wanted? If this was soooo compelling(which it is), why wasn't it just, WoW, let's find a cast that resembles the original family, which are english speaking anyway...

what puzzles me is that people believe this "whitewashing" (as some say) would be to increase the amount of whites to go see the film...

my question is... do many white people look at a trailer, a poster or cast list and say, "hmmm wow, no white people in this movie... not gonna see it, and pass the word around to others"

from my experience, I've seen plenty of white people in movies with black leads as well, even in films like "soul plane" you would find conservative looking white people laughing away, very interesting... just wonder if anyone does that... "nope, not watchin it, no carmen diaz in it!"

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He mentions the crew since the large majority of the crew on this film is either Hispanic or southeast Asian. His point is that people are criticising the filmmakers of being racist toward Hispanics and Thai people by focusing on the white people. It seems ludicrous to accuse Hispanics of being racist toward Hispanics, don't you think?


Make me like you, you stupid Diet Coke!

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"It seems ludicrous to accuse Hispanics of being racist toward Hispanics, don't you think?"

Actually Hispanics are VERY racist against Hispanics, in Spain and in Latin America which comes from the Spanish culture there’s a lot of cultural misconceptions about “superiority” and “inferiority” towards their own… for instance as for there`s racism in the U. S. in Spain and Latin America there’s classism .. and it’s largely accepted






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..wanted to have as many people as possible? what? you mean as extras? I think he's talking about how the real family was hispanic... and the actors are not... elaborate...

...the crew?... what... anyway... this part of your post makes no sense...

Sorry if you're having trouble understanding me. The crew almost entirely has Hispanic surnames -- I don't know from what country. Check the closing credits.

I said -- they wanted to have as many people as possible see the movie. Isn't it obvious I meant in the audience? As for the switch from a Spanish-speaking family to an English one, that's made clear at the end of the movie when they show a picture of the original family. They kept their first names the same as much as possible. I don't think anyone is trying to pretend they didn't change the nationality of the family.

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you mean as extras? I think he's talking about how the real family was hispanic... and the actors are not... elaborate...

This story was based on a true life story. A Spanish family survived the tsunami separately and were reunited. Oh and btw, Spaniards are white Europeans they are NOT Hispanics. Is the Spanish lady less white than Naomi Watts? I think you got your races mixed up.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/real-life-stories/real-story-behind-impossible-miracle-1519067

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slobone - I agree with you.

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Exactly! I kept thinking that throughout, how the locals came out to help instead of fearing another wave coming. The entire medicine crew and the helpers were all Thai, so I'd say they played a big part. "Awesome thought experiment" Haha.

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So people wouldn't watch this movie if it starred famous actors like Antonio Banderas, Salma Hayek or Penelope Cruz instead? Antonio and Penelope are from Spain and they are big stars so I don't get how and why they turned the real family into Brits.

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Who says those actors wanted to be in the movie? Who says they weren't doing other projects at the time? You think the studios just tell actors what movies they have to do? lol

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For Pete's sake! I have never seen people so racially fixated as Americans. No offense."Ewan and Naomi look sooo pale and white" Boo Hoo. The subject has been discussed ad nauseaum in these boards.

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This article is ridiculous. This is not a film about the tsunami itself, it's a film about this particular family that experienced the tsunami. That may seem like splitting hairs, but it's a large distinction.

Comparing this to 9/11 is very disingenuous. These people were at a resort that catered to wealthy, non-Thai (mostly white) tourists. One can presume that there was a much, much higher concentration of white people in that particular area than in an average area of Thailand. So it would follow that a diproportionately high amount of people that this family came across during their experience would have been white. If they were say camping in a rural area of the country where everybody would have been locals and therefore Thai, then your argument would be valid.

The World Trade Center, however, was filled mostly with everyday New Yorkers that worked there daily. The majority of those people would also be white. There would be NO REASON for everybody at the towers to be Thai. Therefore, your hypothetical film would be looked at askance if it only had Thai people in it, since it would make no sense.

Within the parameters of this story, it would have made no sense to suddenly start exploring what happened to the legions of Thai people who were decimated by this tragedy. That would have been too jarring of a narrative shift, and would have been ripped apart on these boards.

The film was about the family, front and center. Everybody else, white, Thai, what have you, was pushed to the background. If this film was purportedly a story about the tsunami itself, and only focused on white people, then you would have a perfectly valid argument, but that's not the case here. Stop trying to find racism where none exists.

Make me like you, you stupid Diet Coke!

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It's ironic that someone with a title like MovieFreak would be so damn ignorant about movies. Amazing. I think he should his name to AttentionFreak.

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Just for sake of discussion-

I think your point was valid. I read somewhere else that almost half of the casualties in Thailand were vacationers. While watching the movie it did strike me as odd that most of the victims in the hospitals seemed white. But whatever, I don't think the movie is racist.

I guess in the Thai WTC disaster movie, you could center it around a Thai company located on a particular floor. So the movie is about these workers (predominantly Thai) who struggle together to reach safety. Along the way they will of course encounter/help/be helped by people of other ethnicities.

I don't think such a movie would actually be accused of being racist though.

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"The film was about the family, front and center. Everybody else, white, Thai, what have you, was pushed to the background. If this film was purportedly a story about the tsunami itself, and only focused on white people, then you would have a perfectly valid argument, but that's not the case here. Stop trying to find racism where none exists. "

yes it is about the family cracker but they choose a white family so ask yourself why they do that in a setting like thailand cracker.

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i have to disagree with that one. if u go to a fancy resort in thailand, or anywhere pretty much, what percentage of the staff are white? not to mention the locals. it really doesn't make sense that they would only run into white people after a tsunami just because they were staying at a nice resort when it hit.


It weakens us to not give our enemies the respect they deserve...

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Maybe, but it’s worth noting that the real family is Spanish, a swarthy bunch who look nothing like the milk pale, fair-haired McGregor and Watts.


Notice that this guy here is claiming to denounce racism.

Notice it.

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So, spanish are not white? You should take a look at the real family's pictures (they are here in IMDB), they are quite white to me.
Look at this for example.
http://www.imdb.com/media/rm1727966208/tt1649419

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The people in that picture look white. That doesn't mean all spaniards are white. Most of them look like turkish or moroccan people. If you saw a picture of Obama's family, you wouldn't think all americans are black, right?

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White actors sell more tickets. It's as simple as that.
Absolutely! The film was made for western, English speaking audiences, ironically by a Spanish production company. They could have easily used Spanish actors and we would have been watching a sub-titled film that very likely wouldn't have been the commercial and critical success this was.

I wasn't particularly enthused with the film though it clearly is not racist (a ridiculous assertion). It shows a fairly wealthy European expatriate family, Christmas holidaying in Phuket tourist resort in Thailand away from their regular abode of Japan. This is not an unusual event. Whilst focussing on the family, it does show that they may not all have survived without the help they received from the Thai people.

Fact is European tourists were affected by the tsunami and if film companies want to produce films focusing on European people they have every right, just as other studios may want to produce films based on the Indonesian, Indian, Sri Lankan, Malaysian or yes, even the Thai experiences.

Whether they reach international audiences outside their domestic markets is another question.

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LOL.

But maybe he was describing the actual family rather than Spaniards in general?

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Notice that the guy was being facetious, hinting at why the Spanish nationality could have been dropped?

Notice it? No, you didn't.

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As has been pointed out, this is a ridiculous and offensive comparison. You could absolutely have a movie that focused on a Thai family during 9/11, but Thai people weren't the majority of the people in the World Trade Centers. Not even close--it was a group of New Yorkers of all races. If you made a movie and fictionalized the races of those trapped in 9/11, it would just be wrong.

This movie takes place at a Thai resort. Half the people who died in Thailand were tourists. This film focuses on one family at one resort, but the destruction and injustice that was done to thousands of others less fortunate is very palpable in the movie, particularly with the ending. Besides that, many, many of the real-life accounts from the people at that resort and elsewhere were quick to discuss how the Thai people, in spite of their homes and loved ones being washed away, were quick to jump to the aid of the tourists. There can certainly be an interesting discussion there about the prevelance of "white supremacy" and how that has influenced even those nations in which Caucasian is not the dominant race, but that doesn't mean it didn't happen in real life and that the movie is racist for depicting it as the real Maria Belon experienced it.

I remember reading this article when it first came out and thinking it was one of the laziest movie reviews I'd ever read.

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That 'thought experiment' is so Ameri-centric as to be the equivalent of racist by its sole concern for Americans.

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I would not, at all, think that a film about a specific Thai family during 9/11 would be at all weird.

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I read that thought experiment and found it very disingenuous. It's not a fair comparison at all.

The film showed loads of Thai people. Yes, most of them didn't speak, probably because...the main characters couldn't speak Thai! And people who spoke different languages probably didn't communicate by speaking but in other ways!

Lots of nationalities were represented as both victims and rescuers. Which is indeed how it was in certain areas with large tourist resorts.

Comparing high density tourist areas to something like WTC is silly. Also, I'm not sure what would be wrong with making a film about Thai people in WTC if they were actually there - which they would be. But the rescuing would have taken place in English because that's what the firefighters spoke. If they subtitled in in Thai what's the problem? All nations make movies focussing on their own. A lot of 9/11 footage was filmed by French people who happened to be there at the time and they did a lot of interviews in French about it, I think they even spoke in French on the tape but I can't remember.

I also don't get the "swarthy" reference. Okay so the family has dark hair. The real Spanish boy Lucas has blue eyes in the IMDb picture! Ironically, Tom Holland has brown eyes, even though his hair is lighter. It's so silly to make these comparisons.

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"The film showed loads of Thai people. Yes, most of them didn't speak, probably because...the main characters couldn't speak Thai! And people who spoke different languages probably didn't communicate by speaking but in other ways! "

^racist crakcer grasping at straw.

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I know, so racist to show non-Thai people not speaking Thai.

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