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This movie is glorification of mass murder and western world

posted 13 years ago by root90
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Coming over to a country they know nothing about, all the way from Denmark, simply to make money and act like they play a computer game, destroying Afghan fields and kettle. It makes no sense..
Just another cover up for "bring democracy" to the country.
By the way they are well equipped technically, but tactically they are bunch of young idiots hanging around with their heads up high and in a group close to each other, no wonder so many die - they don't have any proper training. Governments who send them there don't care, they call them heroes and send another bunch to the slaughter. Even local kids tell them "what are you doing here? go home.."
If they want to conquer Afghanistan - they will have to kill everybody there and start from scratch..
[IMHO]

[–] ms_moviebuff23 13 years ago

I don't even like this "documentary." Because it's reality. How can anyone be so proud to be over there and act so damn arrogant? We mostly just see them watch porn, play fighting video games, and laugh at things when they are out shooting and bombing to get revenge? Does this set a good example on Denmark and on us, as Americans? This is why they come back and are still out there.

You're right, they barely know that country and only know 1 thing, to take out the Taliban, but not actually get that they are taking over the country that is not even there's. What's the point?

Killing themselves for this evil group of people is not worth it. The Taliban will always regroup again even stronger, not weaker, obviously. They have for 11 years now? These soldiers are sacrificing their lives and leaving their loves ones grieving back at home.

Just sad and wrong. This is why I am against war and being involved with Afghanistan. We should all just protect our borders, leave the oil alone, leave the Taliban for the government to deal with through the latest technology and they can find a better solution. Just watching this film is disturbing and is making me upset that they are still there! I'm planning on turning it off. I'm glad I'm not the only who feels this way about our fallen solders who didn't need to die. They have no clue what they are actually doing. I don't know how anyone can support this so called war. It's not even a war, the Taliban is getting what they want. They want us to hate them and to come get them with our guns.

I'll always catch you when you fall.. -Will Young, Who Am I

[–] andypaul_gill 13 years ago

I strongly disagree that this documentary 'glorifies' mass murder and the western world. On the contrary, I think it explores the futility and complexity of the conflict in a shocking and quite profound manner. At no point did it show westerners as being inherently 'better' than the Afghans - if anything, as you both have said, it showed the soldiers as knowing nothing about the country and doing nothing to change the prevailing situation. Indeed, we saw them succeeding only in blowing up children, old people and cows, and wrecking the locals' fields, earning them the contempt of the local populace. I won't go into the rights and wrongs of the war, but I certainly don't think this movie glorified our presence out there.

[–] sonofnob 13 years ago

The documentary is a very subtle anti-war film, and it does so in quite a human and even gentle way. I got to like most of these kids and their bosses, and even the military unit and command seems pretty decent; it's just that they have been ordered to partake in an immoral, pointless, and unwinable war. That is even what the major (or whatever) in the beginning states rather explicitly to the troops that are to depart... he is clearly not happy about these orders. I admire the kids for their relative decentness and how they stay human, despite the stress and aggrevation, and also how they maintain their viking-style bloodlust, not succumbing to fear. Personally, I see bloodlust and war-romance as pretty despicable - but I can also just as easily see how others might, particularly the young and not-so-well educated, and not particularly self-confident. They all come to realise that their mission is useless and inglorious - watch one of the DVD extra clips to see a truly remarkable admission of this! - but they embrace the comradeship, the adventure, and the career anyway, returning to the fray, or as one of them planned to do, become a mercenary. As I say, these values are far from my own and indeed seem immoral to me since they come at the expense of others' lives and livelihood. But, just as one can admire the strength of the Talibani's convictions without in anyway admiring the Taliban views and foul actions, one can also admire these young kids' spirit, while feeling sorry for their unintended victims, their lack of moral compass, and perhaps for their future ruinous mental healths. Strong and very thought-provoking film.

[–] TheSummer2012 13 years ago

Excellent analysis from sonofnob above.

This film does not glorify mass murder. On the contrary, it shows the senselessness of this war, the damaging impact it has on the local population and its human cost (on both sides).

[–] queerever 12 years ago

You are lucky, that you are so relaxed, or whatever. Sincerely. I was abhorred at these nasty, lost, little children taking the lives and livelihoods of people before they even know what the word "Politics" mean, amongst legions of others. You lost me at "admire their spirit". F * & % you and so many here, and everywhere, trivialising WITHIN AFGHANI BORDERS. You, and most people around these comments reflect on the Afghanis as though they were objects.
The Danes, Brits, yanks, etc, are foreign invading scum, worse than the Taliban scum they know nothing about!
I don't have much faith in the UN, but if there were/ HAD to be foreign involvement, a PEACE KEEPING force does exist! THIS WAR IS WRONG! It is a grab for power, resources, influence, and the yankees at their most "innocent" are there for revenge!
There is NOTING admirable about people (young men in this case) taking their need for self worth, adrenaline junkie machismo and adventurism to yet another, disgusting, wrong war. I wish said war on you and everybody else who gets their cutesy little kicks out of this.
Nice try at even handed diplomacy - you are the new Bourgeois plague on poor, old, mother earth... 'they have been ordered' - oh yes, THEY are the victims too, (one can only hope). Listen to a great tune from the 80's, Howard Jone's 'No one is to blame' - (it's not really about this, his meaning might be the opposite of what I believe but) - we're not talking about football sides here, we are talking about horrid murder.
Sure, neither you or I are truly, physically part of the problem & we can't be the solution either... but... anyway... it wouldn't be small of you to condemn those little pricks, and you certainly fool yourself as being mature or balanced just because you can "see it from their side", F & $% you.

[–] ingres77 10 years ago

I was abhorred at these nasty, lost, little children taking the lives and livelihoods of people before they even know what the word "Politics" mean, amongst legions of others.

Welcome to the real world. You just described the people who are often asked to fight our wars for us. This isn't unique to the Danish in general, or these kids specifically.

You lost me at "admire their spirit". F * & % you and so many here, and everywhere, trivialising WITHIN AFGHANI BORDERS. You, and most people around these comments reflect on the Afghanis as though they were objects.

I don't see why these kids shouldn't be admired for doing what they think is best. The comment is made - multiple times - that they are trying to make a difference in the lives of these people. And I see no reason to think they don't actually believe that.

Whether you think they've succeeded is another issue entirely.

The Danes, Brits, yanks, etc, are foreign invading scum, worse than the Taliban scum they know nothing about!

I would ask for you to give a clear and articulate explanation for how the ISAF is "worse" than the Taliban, but I doubt you could put together a cogent argument. Feel free to try, however.

As to the rest of your vitriol....meh. It's neither interesting nor insightful.

History is the lie we are willing to accept.

[–] jeffscsr 13 years ago

i don't remember them destroying anyone's kettle. that guy said some plates and mattresses, but no kettle. what we he need it for anyway, no electricity in a wadi.

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[–] root90 13 years ago

another "copy-paste" idea taken from this movie..
this time is to make money for Americans
http://trailers.apple.com/trailers/independent/hellandbackagain/

[–] Pajstrup 13 years ago

I think the OP ment to write Cattle and not kettle.. as you said, doubt they had electricity in their clay houses. :D

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[–] root90 13 years ago

Author have been (at very least), SO SHUT THE *beep* U.P.!
In what "situations"? Who the hell brought them to "these situations"? Money no? Computer games, too much gangsta rap listening, GTA games, porn?

[–] ta2me92704 12 years ago

So many ignorant comments from so many ignorant Dhimmis. Radical Islam is not a "Great World Religion", it is sick, murderous, boy-raping, misogynist cancer. Go make friends with it, fools.

The thorn defends the rose, yet it is peaceful and does not seek conflict.

[–] root90 12 years ago

I agree - radical Islam is a bad thing, people living in closed communities (even in western world), speaking only their native language, practising their own laws (Sharia), breeding like crazy for the sake of religion, etc. it is all one thing. But this movie and Western actions in these Islam countries is a step too far ahead. In any way if not America but Europe will be Muslimised in around 20 years as statistic shows European families produce 1.6 child per family and Muslim families make around 5 children on average. 3 required to keep population afloat (not speaking of accidental deaths, illnesses etc)
Also anybody knows that the war today is not about physical conflict - the most damaging wars are all about economy wars.
Also think about let's say Iraqis, Afghanis illegally working in terrible conditions in Europe and getting kicked out of Europe by Immigration people which say - "these people are taking out jobs", etc. Are you not the people who bomb all the crap of theirs so they can work here for you in terrible conditions? They have problems in their countries don't they?
Think about all that.

[–] ta2me92704 12 years ago

Utter nonsense. What are you, 13? Not nonsense about the Muslimisation of Europe, but what are you going to do about it, accept it?

The thorn defends the rose, yet it is peaceful and does not seek conflict.

[–] ikke_for_let 12 years ago

The number of refugees from Iraq and Afghanistan to western countries fell drastically after the wars started. What does that tell you?

[–] richard-III 12 years ago

Hm, certainly no glorification, this film is no propaganda. It just shows how the Danish soldiers act and react.

What kind of film would the Taliban have made? Probaly more propagandistic than 'Armadillo'.

"I don't discriminate between entertainment
and arthouse. A film is a goddam film."

[–] boesen78-600-412751 11 years ago

I think I would be very very very very hard pressed to find even one dane that would support conquering another country in this day and age. So you're wrong that that is the intention.

However... If you see it in a context of stopping, what for all intents and purposes, is rowing bands of powerhungry warlords ruling by fear and terror...

Then I think a war is justified.

I'm not saying war is anything desirable but doing nothing is even more abhorrent to me.

[–] Eldorado_1999_IMDb 7 years ago

The end seams i bit constructed, as the soldiers try to justify their act in front of the camera.

Most critic gave it very good reviews, but i think that was because this was the most realistic documentary from these wars (Afghanistan and Iraq) so far. I don't think the critics would have been so naive if it where released in 2016.