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He Cheated - BIG DEAL - THEY ALL CHEATED!


OK, so he lied and cheated, etc. I don't even care about all that - the only thing I noticed was he was a bit of an a$$hole, but most of these athletes are.

Almost everyone in cycling(and sports in general) dopes and still do to this day. I think the only reason doping is if they say it's legal and someone dies, then they can be sued.

Doping is so excessive in cycling that they could not even find a clean cyclist to award the winner.

And his friends - whatever! They were all part of it as well, so don't come crying now.

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By reading your post I can see that you're not a cycling fan, and so forth you don't know much about what you're saying. If I ever encounter a conversation such as that, (one where I don't know what I'm talking about) I don't engage in it. But that doesn't stop the other people who can't help themselves. Such as you.

Almost everyone in cycling dopes and still do to this day. Wrong, the tests for doping have finally caught up to the most popular and most advantageous peds used by cyclists and it's not easy to get away with it anymore. The testing agencies also keep the samples now in banks in case better techniques are perfected and samples need to be retested.

Now why aren't they all doping anymore, as you like to say that they are, and how can I tell? Well if you were a fan of the sport and followed it you'd notice that the overall tdf times have not leveled off, which would suggest continuous ped use, but they have actually become slower again. There is no one single person dominating the GT's, we seem to be having new winners every single year. And that is consistent in a cycling world, where an off day for one of the riders could ruin the entire tour and produce a whole different winner.

There probably will be dopers again, but on the same level as we saw in the 90's through the early 2000's will be quite a long time. Where entire teams were now known to be on a program of taking peds. The price to pay is pretty substantial now, it's in better interest for the riders to ride clean than to risk getting caught.

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He was more than "a bit of an a$$hole." He defamed other people, called them liars and publicly humiliated them because they told the truth. He sued honest people and did his best to destroy them. Just to protect himself. And in the end - of the movie, at least - it seems like he's barely learned or regrets anything.

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The big deal with Armstrong was that it wasn't merely an athlete "taking something" to get a minor advantage - or even in an attempt keep up with his peers who were also doping.

Armstrong was part of doping on a massive scale, sucking every rider in his team into it and spitting out those who did not want to be a part of it - in some cases ruining their careers - and he also involved the governing body as well.

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The problem is not just that he cheated. The big story is that he lied to the media, the public and all of his fans who supported him. And he bullied people in order to keep that lie going. That's why this is such a big deal. If he was just Joe Schmoe, who nobody ever heard of, then it would have blown over a long time ago. But he was THE household name in competitive cycling. The general public never really gave a damn about the sport until he came along. The whole country loved him so the scandal and even more so, the lie broke America's heart.

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