It seems he was set up from the get go by arresting him, having his rank stripped and some BS story about being a deserter. And then to toss him into a combat situation with no experience and not even the slightest clue how use the weaponry he was given. The only part that didn’t makes sense to this flick...To me, that is.
shareFrom my post about ten threads down. "Question about the entire premise..."
Had to go back to one of my older posts when this came up twice a day.
This came up so often I had another post on why it was so confusing to people when it was so clearly presented. I blamed people not paying attention and playing on their cell phones or people coming in late when they saw it at a theater.
First scene in movie, major paraphrasing.
* General asks Cage to lead a NON COMBAT public relations mission on the beach in an area not expected to see much action.
* Cage says no he can't stand the sight of blood, too dangerous, etc.
* General says, you are now under my command and you are going, its an order.
* Cage threatens the General
* General says OK you won't be sent on this mission
* As Cage leaves, the General has him arrested, disobeying a direct order will make that happen
* Cage wakes up on the tarmac. Note this is not the mission that the General originally wanted to send him on. The General now wanted Cage to (illegally) disappear.
Also explained in the wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edge_of_Tomorrow_(film)#Plot
Originally there was a scene with a character played by Jeremy Piven. Jeremy's character was an old rival to Cage and he had him sent the front over an old girlfriend. Didn't test well so they came up with this scene.
About the only "plot hole" is why give him ammo.
Thanks for the quick, albeit somewhat insulting, reply. I was not distracted. He was even told he was impersonating an officer by Farell. It all seemed like a set up. He was told he would be sent to the beach with the first wave, which was where he went the next day. Your explanation makes sense, but I’m not without a valid reason for confusion.
shareSorry if that sounded insulting but it was asked twice a day or more when it first came out and then again when it hit digital download.
And like I posted, for most people the first scene explained why the general wanted to send him in the first place and why he had him arrested and illegally sent to the front when he refused to go.
He was a major, why not? Why leave him unarmed, he would have something else to complain about? It would be a waste to the invasion effort.
shareI've changed my thoughts on the ammo issue please read the current last post in this thread.
I originally said why give him ammo because he would more likely kill way more of his own squadmates than Mimics.
But in J squad's eyes he was a private in the infantry, not a Major, so yes they should have given him ammo and assumed he was only faking not knowing what's happening.
Oh, you changed your thoughts. Well, that changes everything!! You really need to work on your people skills. You definitely are insulting and condescending. Unless you're one of the writers or a movie critic, why not give your OPINION a few times then just shut the duck up?? Did it ever occur to you that even after reading your brilliant review (I didn't...you sound like a pompous ass just on the board), people might either disagree or want another perspective on the subject?? Just the fact that it comes up so often should indicate that a lot of people are confused about it, even the ones you think were late, playing on their phones, or are just stupid.
Oh, and I wouldn't rely too heavily on Wiki. They've been wrong a time or two.
blah blah blah, you say so little while typing so much
she fell through a hole, and was never seen again
The only problem I have with this is that sending a PIO to a front line, Normandy-type infantry invasion is something that would never happen IRL.
The military already has combat photographers, videographers, etc. No general is gonna be sitting there, thinking it's a good idea to get an advertising executive killed by forcing him to play documentarian. Those are rare-skills people who can contribute to the war effort by doing what they do best.
Uhh... It DID happen in real life!
shareThis came up so often I had another post on why it was so confusing to people when it was so clearly presented. I blamed people not paying attention and playing on their cell phones or people coming in late when they saw it at a theater.LOL! Probably 100% accurate.
As Cage leaves, the General has him arrested, disobeying a direct order will make that happen.Again, LOL! YES - disobeying orders given by a General most certainly will make that very likely. share
Yes, it makes perfect sense to send a VERY widely-recognized person, unarmed and untrained, into battle...anywhere. Especially with photographers and journalists there to record the carnage and almost certain bloody death of that person, just because he pissed off one general. And isn't it possible that the footage of Jeremy Piven's character ended up on the cutting room floor a sign that it wasn't considered plausible to the audience?
When you two (or one person with two accounts) are through laughing out loud at all the idiots here who have questions or comments about this movie, maybe you could visit the "Transformers" boards and insult everyone there.
The only part that didn’t makes sense to this flick...To me, that is.
I don't think it was rushed. How else could they have made it?. Why and how he got there wasn't what they wanted to spend much time on.
And sorry OP, but the reason he was set up was actually very clear. I also don't see how it's any kind of plot hole that they give him ammo. Only the general, and maybe someone else who helped him, where setting him up. The people on the base really thought he was a soldier and a desertor, and they were sending him to battle, of course they'd give him ammo. The general knew he wasn't combat trained and so he was sure to die, ammo or not... which he did.
Note not singling anyone out just wondering why this is the number one topic posted. This and how did Cage and Rita know they lost the power.
The more I read these kinds of posts by the OP the more I think I have the reason this gets asked way more than it should.
Some people think how could the General do what he did in such little time and the only answer that comes up is that everyone is in on it from the beginning from the General on down and this was all prearranged before Cage even got there.
Well the answer is he is a General not just any General but the Supreme leader of all forces aka Eisenhower in WWII. If he says jump the only answer is "how high sir" not "why". So if he says Cage is a deserter that's what he is with out question. Maybe the only other person who has to be in on it is his secretary and we all know the relationship they have. 😉
As for the ammo issue, if he was a deserter from the infantry, (that's what the paper said) it would be assumed he had been trained and just faking it that he had no idea how things worked.
It's posted so often because it really is out of step with the rest of the film. Yes, Cage refuses a direct order and that gets you arrested in the military. It doesn't get a major busted down to a private, sent to a company going into frontline combat without training, with the topper of a made up story saying you are a deserter that was impersonating an officer. That really sets up a plot line of someone wanting him dead for some reason yet to be revealed, yet it's never revealed and completely ignored afterwards. It really plays like a scene has been cut that would give some more coherence to this motivating plot point.
Those asking this question are actually paying attention to film, the opposite of playing on their phones. It's not really important to the main plot and is merely a device to get our protagonist into the action, but everyone on these boards seem to get caught up in every bit of minutia and need to debate it to death.
It's posted so often because it really is out of step with the rest of the film.
Those asking this question are actually paying attention to film, the opposite of playing on their phones.Absolutely spot on, both counts. The self styled "expert" further back up the thread is dribbling BS. The opening scenes don't explain this instance and weaken the overall narrative of the story, in a film which I confess to liking a lot.
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They found out he was a Scientologist...
shareWell . . because the plot required a smarmy officer with little combat training to go to the front quickly?
I don't know how realistic it was, but I never had a problem with it. General Brigham tells Cage he's going to the front to report, Cage says no, General Brigham tells him it's not a request, Cage still says no, General Brigham decides to be a total dick and just throws Cage into combat instead. And, off we go.
Would a real-life general throw a PR star to the wolves just to prove a point? No, but then he probably thought the world was about to end, so who was going to call him on it?
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I have meddled with the primal forces of nature and I will atone.
The General didn't do it because Cage refused to obey orders, he did it because Cage threatened him.
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