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so is he gay? possible spoilers


they ask him the question in the movie.

he does not answer yes or no, but from what i gathered he intimates that he is indeed gay. at least this is what i think.

anyone else care to share some thoughts.

i got the impression that his catholic upbringing prevented him from really living a gay life and having a boyfriend etc.

which i think is a damn shame.

this part of the movie made me cry.

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He's from a generation that would neither ask nor tell, so I guess you'll have to read between the lines.

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Yes, I think he is gay, but I do believe him when he says that he never really had time for relationships. He's obviously very open and fine with gay/transgendered people so I wouldn't be quick to say that it's a case of repression due to religion.

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The part of the film was so interesting, it was filmed, staged and set-up in such a straightforward way that I knew what was coming. Had me on the edge of my seat. The filmmaker had no choice but to sit Bill down and ask such direct questions, interrogation with respect-style, because the answers to questions about family, relationships and religion in Bill's life were not getting addressed at all.

Please allow me to dissect and philosophize....When Bill is asked about relationships, he does not answer clearly. I don't even remember what he answered - I think he made some jokes - but he knew where the question was leading. So Bill offered the interviewer almost instant permission to consider Bill's choice of profession as one a gay man would choose back in the day, and at one point in the film, Bill says he was young and had his family to contend with. A family that thought fashion was not manly.

The next question about religion reveals how devout he is. He cannot answer, he is humbled to tears by his emotions. That moment also moved me to tears. I understood that the commitment to his faith is what allowed Bill to trade in the chance of developing a fully self-actualized life of a homosexual and instead devote his life to his work - his love: street fashion. Call it what you want - a trade, a deal, a pact, a vow to something greater than "urges" and suffering through an identity condemned by his religious faith. He made that choice a very long time ago - and in relation to that, now lives an extraordinary life.

His vow - like the one priests makes to their respective faiths, or Queen Elizabeth made to herself and her kingdom - is like religious devotion to his work and gave Bill power to control his "urges" - which he acknowledges people have and manage the best they can - and it also kept him like an angel-child who never grew up but remained a Peter Pan figure: asexual, full of spirit, humor, and ageless at his age. No sexual identity whatsoever - more like a genderless spirit. Bill's true love is looking at and photographing stylish people - specifically women.

In this way, he is such an evolved individual. So successful, with world-wide reach through his work, his art, his love, his eye.

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Good post, alexkalognomos.

It's a very fascinating scene in the film. On the one hand, we (the audience) are eager hear his response, eager to know "the answer" to questions about his sexuality, past relationships and religious beliefs. Yet on the other hand we are discomforted by his own discomfort and these seemingly intrusive, personal questions.

Bill Cunningham is a private person. It's clear that friends and co-workers--people who have known him for years--know little of his personal life. So who are we, strangers (through the voice of the director), to ask him these personal things? Despite being someone who is comfortable with people of all walks of life (from people on the street to the rich, powerful and aristocratic), it's clear he's ill-at-ease talking about these things which, back in the day, "you didn't talk about." He tries to feign his usual jovial demeanor, but it's tough for him.

The second time I watched the film I actually looked away from him in this scene, like when you are afraid that just looking at someone would make them nervous. He's such a gentle and honorable man, it seems impolite (almost cruel) to put him on the spot like this.

That his responses to both questions are clear, yet somewhat vague, I think are quite fitting. It's up to the viewer to think what they like. Although his life is incredibly fascinating, I think he would prefer that we focus our attention on his work. And his work as a documenter of style is without equal.

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<< The next question about religion reveals how devout he is. He cannot answer, he is humbled to tears by his emotions...the commitment to his faith is what allowed Bill to trade in the chance of developing a fully self-actualized life of a homosexual and instead devote his life to his work...He made that choice a very long time ago - and in relation to that, now lives an extraordinary life. >>

1.) I don't know we can say he was "humbled" to tears when his Catholicism was mentioned. He bows his head and weeps, then collects himself. For all we know, he's crying about what he's sacrificed for his church...what it has cost him.

2.) Yes, he's lived an "extraordinary life," though some would say that a life without sexual identity or fulfillment is somewhat...dry and ghostly.

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I think what you are saying is partly right, but you're putting a far more positive spin on it than I would. I think his conservative Catholic upbringing is a terribly negative influence on him, forcing him to repress his "urges" and not allowing him to engage in one of the most important aspects of life: romantic/sexual fulfillment and love.

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He talked repeatedly about his family's deep disapproval.

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I don't believe he is gay. While I was watching the documentary today I was wondering all along about his sexual orientation (way before it was discussed). Throughout the film I got the impression that Bill is asexual. He seems so disinterested in that particular area. His laughter is childish and has that purity quality to it. I loved it though how he stated "I am human though". So touching! I really liked this documentary; so full of life! People this amazing are very rare, but watching the documentary I realized how scared I was by the fact that the man has no personal life whatsoever. He's like a machine in way; like a transmitter connecting trends with people. He's more than a photographer; he's the medium in itself.

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I don't even know what it means for Bill Cunningham to "be gay" or to "be straight." In the movie, Cunningham struck me as conspicuously sexually inactive. If that is indeed the case, I don't see how sticking a gay or straight label on him is helpful.

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I'm inclined to agree with you because of the times he comes from, his religion, his choice of career, and family rejection. I think if he was asexual or straight, he would just have said so in some polite way. Instead, he talks about "urges". I find it sad that someone with "urges" could live to be 80 on this planet, and never acknowledge a relationship with anyone. Whether it's due to oppression or obsession, he's missed out on a great part of life.

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Just saw the film and I agree he's gay. I'm not so sure he's was/is celibate however.

It could well be that he is indeed a workaholic and his relationships were fleeting (or given that he's 83) long ago.

But yes the effect of the Church on him was disturbing to say the least. I'm almost wondering if it's like the Terrance Davies trilogy, where despite the truly horrific repression, it also gives him a sense of community that he hasn't been able to find for himself elsewhere.

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He was born gay but never acted upon it due to religion and other external forces. I feel like that becomes very evident by the end.

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I don't even know what it means for Bill Cunningham to "be gay" or to "be straight." In the movie, Cunningham struck me as conspicuously sexually inactive. If that is indeed the case, I don't see how sticking a gay or straight label on him is helpful.


I do so agree.

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Yes, you have it exactly right. For people to shrug and say "oh, he's just a happy asexual" is to let the Catholic church, and his repressive upbringing, off way too easy.

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yeah i got the asexual vibe too - that scene where they ask him he doesnt really give any answer but i think he just doesnt want to put a label on anything, he just is what he does - i think his camera has been a way of putting up a wall so no one really asks questions of him more that he is just always the outside observer at all times

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Hard to say. As an untrained armchair psychoanalyst, I get the impression that Bill is probably gay, but so profoundly repressed by his religious and other cultural conditioning that he's essentially banished romance and sexuality from his life. That's so reductive, though. I wondered about his sexual orientation throughout the film, but also wondered why I felt so compelled to wonder.

Bill seems to deny sex and romance as significant components of his life, except to the extent that he admits the presence of certain undefined "urges" in his mind. There seems to be something basically and perhaps intrinsically asexual about him, as though his dedication to his passion (clothing and fashion) is so total that it leaves room for little else in his life. He's like a monk - pregnant pause...

His world might seem small when viewed from without, but within its confines, he seems completely fulfilled. The power of sublimation or of faith? And is there a difference?

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Like most people so far in this thread, I got the impression that even though he said he is not gay, that is true only in the sense that he is not active. He deals with his urges. He makes an executive decision like never cooking at home, never eating at charity events, and never delving into an active gay life, and that simplifies his life. I, too, felt there was pain in the response to his churchgoing habits. He is very social, and immersed in surfaces, not in murky depths. He is the reporter, the observer.

A wonderful portrait of a wonderful man, very inspiring in his sweet personality and determination, and yet a question mark about the compartmentalized suffering that seems to be there. Keeping busy so you never stop to make uncomfortable inner reflections.

There must be a book of his street pages coming, no? Would be great to see an archive.

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Bill Cunningham is a private person. It's clear that friends and co-workers--people who have known him for years--know little of his personal life. So who are we, strangers (through the voice of the director), to ask him these personal things? Despite being someone who is comfortable with people of all walks of life (from people on the street to the rich, powerful and aristocratic), it's clear he's ill-at-ease talking about these things which, back in the day, "you didn't talk about." He tries to feign his usual jovial demeanor, but it's tough for him.

The second time I watched the film I actually looked away from him in this scene, like when you are afraid that just looking at someone would make them nervous. He's such a gentle and honorable man, it seems impolite (almost cruel) to put him on the spot like this.

That his responses to both questions are clear, yet somewhat vague, I think are quite fitting. It's up to the viewer to think what they like. Although his life is incredibly fascinating, I think he would prefer that we focus our attention on his work. And his work as a documenter of style is without equal.

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Perfectly said. It doesn't matter if he's gay, his story is sweet and inspiring. I think his work is the love of his life and he seems fine with that. How many of us can say we're that passionate about anything in our lives. I don't think he's gay I just think he's passionate about his love of fashion.




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YEs Shiloh, I agree.

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