Camille was too needy!


She defined her life entirely through Sullivan, who himself was this sort of shiftless, immature pseudo-artiste; truly an archetypical "young love". When Sullivan goes to see her, they almost always end-up having sex. Camille, for Sullivan, is a kind of indulgence, not so much another person; for him, she's not a fully-realized human-being, but merely fun.

Sullivan is Camille's whole world. But at the same time, again typical of young love, he is basically a penis, which she enjoys. When he leaves her, really what's happening is that she no longer has his penis to play with, or his hair to stroke. You never see them take care of each other in a mature, anticipatory manner. Meaning Sullivan never cooks for her, he doesn't invite her over to his mother's house. When he leaves for South America it's more of a fait accompli for him, rather than something he's given serious consideration.

He gives no thought to discussing something that big with Camille. For him, it's basically a fact of life that she has to accept. If he truly loved her as a human being, and not merely for the sex, he would have at least taken her wishes into consideration. Yet, Camille's reaction to Sullivan's parting is tantamount to the grief a little girl feels when her puppy gets run-over. Sure it hurts, but it's not the end of the world.

I've personally seen this way too often. Some grungy, but handsome guy with no real goals in life, other than some ill-thought pursuit, like being in a band and such, decides to leave a girl for whatever reason. Then it's as if her whole world came crashing down, when really what happened is that she no longer has his penis to play with. Her whole life was defined, not just through her boyfriend, but with the need to take care of him and "fix" him. She believes if she loves him enough, he'll stick around. But again, with young love, or immature love like that, the lovers do not really consider the fully human implications the other person represents. So that for the boy, the girl is a play-thing; for the girl, the boy is her puppy.

With young love, there's no room for worldly considerations. To the lovers, it feels like some sort of transcendental life-altering experience, meanwhile they've never had to spend the night watching over the other in a hospital, or dealt with the death of the other's parents, etc. In other words, for the lovers everything's possible: it seems like they'd move the Earth and the heavens for their love, except when it truly matters--we'll be together forever, so long as you don't interfere with my video games, or hanging out with my friends, or indulging my petty fantasies.

But truly, though, the final scene was beautiful. Years later, I take it, when Camille is with the older man at the cabin and she goes for a swim; the hat Sullivan gave her is blown-away into the water, and down the river. There was so much in that final scene. The world is ephemeral--you can't hold on to the past no matter how hard you try. Moreover, you must not hold on to it, you have to move on.

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some good points and i agree, the final scene was brilliant, really pleased it ended in that manner.

i liked that at the beginning of the film, camille seemed to need sullivan more than he needed her, and she defined her life through her love for him. he had the big ideas to go away, to 'better' or 'find' himself leaving her pining for him at home.

but through the pain he caused, he made camille stronger (if emotionally mute) and she concentrates on life and actually becomes quite successful.

when he comes back into her life, camille seemed to be in the driving seat as she had become 'successful' whilst sullivan had not set the world alight as he thought he would. he seems to need her more than she does him and begs to be with her, wanting the love and dependency she gave 8 years previous.
although he still managed to break her heart again (which i think was him trying to enforce the 'power' he wished to hold over her), this time she can still be happy after the fact as she has other parts to her life (job, boyfriend).

as for the sex, when they were first together, it was mostly sullivan instigating, whereas when they met the second time, it seemed to be camille, again she was the dominant one.

the shift in dynamic was quite powerful and from what i have experienced with friends and family, quite true to life.

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Sounds like you are in your head about it, not really in the minds and hearts of the characters. Love at any age defies analysis.

"What matters in life is not whom or what one loves. It is the fact of loving" - Proust

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I agree with everything except this
"You never see them take care of each other in a mature, anticipatory manner. Meaning Sullivan never cooks for her, he doesn't invite her over to his mother's house."

That is not true, Sullivan was very sweet and tender towards her, at the start of the film he buys her a rose and made sure she was protected before they engaged in sex, he buys groceries and cooks dinner for her at her family's country home and he is the one who purchased the symbolic hat for her. Sullivan's mother obviously has met her as she asks about her when Sullivan tells her he is leaving school and she knew who she was when Camille sees her on the bus 7 years later.
I think the problem with Sullivan is he was not comfortable loving anyone unless he had full control of his emotions. I think in the end he will always be emotionally "adrift" as he cannot allow himself to truly let go and belong to someone else.

Camille seems the weaker of the two but in reality she is the strongest, she takes a chance, she allows herself to live fully in the moment and has the courage to pick herself up and move on when it doesn't work out.

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