OK, so does anyone else on this board have a doctorate in applied mathematics?
Does anyone on the board even know what is applied mathematics?
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its maths that has a function in science or engineering, as opposed to something like say pure mathematics which is exploring the knowledge and limits of maths and theories plus i'd say that pure math is also more philosophical and applied more practical.
then there are other branches, stats of course is probably the best known etc
by sticksstoneswwiv - Wed Jun 3 2015 06:45 -... and this qualifies you to clean a toilet as a professional means of income?
... has a function in science or engineering ... pure math is also more philosophical and applied more practical ... there are other branches ...
many people did in fact leave the soviet union and eastern states arrived in america and ended up in dead end jobs. even though they might be highly qualified.
there was a scandal in the 80s/90s of people immigrating from countries and claiming expertise or certain levels of education which were in fact not accurate or not up to the same level of standard. it was the case, and probably still is the case, that people moving from some countries who claim to be a doctor but do not have the same level of training and were required to sit exams in america/europe before practicing.
by sticksstoneswwiv - Thu Jun 4 2015 02:16 -OK, but you can't fake a phd in mathematics.
... people immigrating from countries and claiming expertise or certain levels of education which were in fact not accurate or not up to the same level of standard ... people moving from some countries who claim to be a doctor but do not have the same level of training ...
You might have trouble getting work as a mathematician if you don't speak English fluently. Remember that at the family dinner people are struggling to speak English well.
I knew a woman from Russia who had a Ph.D. and struggled because she wasn't fluent in English. To this day her English is still a little "broken."
"Extremism in the pursuit of moderation is no vice."
Yes especially as a very important part of maths is proofs. That and math uses sentences and grammar. What you are taught at high school is essentially the equivalent of the most basic words in the English language.
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I knew a woman from Poland who was an engineer but came to the US and was cleaning houses because she couldn't write in English yet.
shareummm, illegal immigrant ? Cant exactly walk into a university and apply for a lecturing position without a green card.
shareby biker-38841 - Sun Jun 7 2015 06:15 -OK so how does anyone with a PhD in mathematics not get a visa in the first place?
... illegal immigrant ? Cant exactly walk into a university ...
You're talking about currently, but not in the 80's when the U.S. was in the midst of the Cold War with the U.S.S.R. Assuming Jupiter is around the same age as Mila Kunis, that means her family fled in the 80's. Mila has actually talked about her families own immigration from the USSR in 1991. Saying they came with only $250. "That was all we were allowed to take with us. My parents had given up good jobs and degrees, which were not transferable."
shareOK so how does anyone with a PhD in mathematics not get a visa in the first place?It does seem a stretch to me too. You'd think there'd be a couple of universities or three, eager to get her on staff, away from the pans and cisterns.🐭 share
I think you underestimate how hard it is to get jobs in academia. Especially if you are not a fluent English speaker. There are people with Ph.D.'s who have never gotten academic jobs. I know at least two.
Also, if you apply for jobs on a little lower level, your potential boss may find you intimidating since you have more education than he has.
Yes, I doubt that you'd be cleaning toilets for many years. But you might for awhile.
"Extremism in the pursuit of moderation is no vice."
Yes, I doubt that you'd be cleaning toilets for many years. But you might for awhile.The movie's position is that she has been cleaning dunnies for around a good 25 years. Excuse my giggling.🐭
Yes, that would be hard to believe, unless somehow she or someone else in the family had gotten in trouble with the law or experienced some other catastrophe that would keep them from advancing. It may be impossible to get certain kinds of jobs if you have a criminal record.
"Extremism in the pursuit of moderation is no vice."
by tgemberl » Fri Jun 12 2015 15:47:15 -Also that said, let's concede the point that she'd not be able to work in her field in a university setting. Someone with that level of mathematics could easily get a job as an actuary without much more training - one of the most lucrative fields in the private sector, and it's specifically because of the rigorous mathematics involved in working with actuarial tables makes it that so few can do that job.
... that would be hard to believe ...
I am a mathematician. I have several friends who have PhD's in "applied" mathematics. However, none of us would ever use that term. We would just say they have a PhD in Mathematics, and leave it at that.
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I had some Russian ESL students with degrees, but couldn't read or write well in English. They had difficulty finding work in their profession.
Another thing nobody seems to be considering is whether she even tried to get a job in her career field. The trauma of losing her husband the way she did obviously left her bitter and other mental effects, such as depression and traumatic flashbacks likely occurred too. Given that she met him while teaching at University, she likely found it somewhat depressing or overwhelming to even be at one, and thus never even applied.
shareI think you've got a plausible explanation here. Would be good if they spell this out in the movie - the traumatic flashbacks ocurring now and then to Jupiter's mum. Otherwise it seems a bit abrupt why she chose to leave everything behind (except her sister), go to a foreign country and endure a lifetime of hardship. This would be a very hard decision to make for someone well-educated like her, which is only explainable by post-trauma depression.
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