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Arrested Development Comparisons Should Have Never Started

posted 13 years ago by bdyum01
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First off you can't call yourself an Arrested Development Fan unless you have watched every single episode at least 3 times. You have to, to catch at least 75% of the jokes. It is one of the greatest ensemble casts of all time, and that includes the people that did bit parts. I know that we are all upset that the show got cancelled before its prime, but that doesn't mean you put a few components of the show together and you get the same brilliance. I'm tired of the "Next Arrested Development" title being thrown on crap. They did it with "Sit Down and Shut Up" and now "Running Wilde"

Mitch is a great Exec Producer/Creator. He still needs his same writers from AD with the same freedom they had. "Running Wilde" as someone stated is the "Gob Show". The whole cast made that show, along with the Ron Howard narration. Plus, the writers with the jokes that were so subtle, you had to watch an episode a few times to feel fully satisfied. Jessica Walters and Jeffery Tambor were phenomenonal (You can catch them in the brilliant show Archer along with Judy Greers), David Cross, Portia (Had a great show that got cancelled "Better Off Ted"), Cera, Shawkat, Will Arnett and my favorite Jason Bateman. They all made the show. If they do the movie, I just hope they don't screw it up to appease people that are only fans of the show, because other people tell them they should be. That seems to be the crowd that loves this show and don't want to be on the wrong side of history when it goes down. Just like Firefly and Family Guy(especially the early years).

I'm not a big fan of "Running Wilde". I hope it stays for people who really like it. However, don't tarnish the brilliance that Mitch, the writers, and actors brought to Arrested Development. That's all I'm asking.

[–] magna7_7 13 years ago

Well no one's gonna top that.

[–] Sovereign_Knight 13 years ago

If it's so great, why did it get cancelled? Oh right, it sucked.

What are you on about, window licker?!

[–] Philip_90 13 years ago

It didn't suck.

People didn't get the jokes because they weren't obvious and the ratings were low, but still, an authentic awesome series of all time.

Laugh tracks would've killed my favourite series (AD) if they were added.

[–] j_cro213 13 years ago

bdyum, i couldnt agree more! Brilliantly said!!

[–] TheAdvocator 13 years ago

"First off you can't call yourself an Arrested Development Fan unless you have watched every single episode at least 3 times. You have to, to catch at least 75% of the jokes."

I'm an Arrested Development fan by your criteria. That being said that's a very hipster mentality you have about a show that the writers, creators, actors, and producers want everyone to feel welcome to and enjoy.

"I'm not a big fan of "Running Wilde"."

I'm sure there are those out there that would not consider you a true Arrested Development fan because of that.

[–] TakeTheTicket 13 years ago

"...people that are only fans of the show, because other people tell them they should be. That seems to be the crowd that loves this show and don't want to be on the wrong side of history when it goes down."

"I'm not a big fan of "Running Wilde"."

"I'm sure there are those out there that would not consider you a true Arrested Development fan because of that."

The original poster seems much too intelligent to give a s**t about what you (TheAdvocator) think he should like. I'm sure that he doesn't watch the show in order to impress other people. Also, you just fell into the category of people he was describing.

What's a lollipop man doing knowing fu*king karate?

[–] TheAdvocator 13 years ago

"The original poster seems much too intelligent to give a s**t about what you (TheAdvocator) think he should like."

If the OP was intelligent he wouldn't be discussing "true fans" of Arrested Development as people who've seen it X-amount of times. It's a selfish, narrow-minded, and unintelligent way of looking at it. I'm also not saying anything at all about what he should like or should not like, where the hell did you get that from?

"I'm sure that he doesn't watch the show in order to impress other people."

But he sure talks about it in such a way that makes it seem like he feels better than other people who watch the show less frequently than his standard. "You're not a fan of it unless...." That's a sign of a person who is at least aware enough of how he views the show should affect others-by assessing whether or not they're a "true fan".

I can't know why he watches the show, and neither can you frankly. We can assume that he watches the show because he likes it. We can observe the way he talks about the show and the fans by what he says.

"Also, you just fell into the category of people he was describing."

The hell I did. Here's where I criticize your intelligence; me saying that there are probably people who would judge his dedication to Arrested Development by his dislike of Running Wilde is just that, there are probably people. You know why you confused me with one of those people? Because your emotional response to my thread overwhelmed your logic and you spazzed out and decided to wrongly criticize me.

I don't give a damn if he loves Arrested Development or hates Running Wilde. All I did was point out a few things, TakeTheTicket, chill the hell out before you decide to respond to a thread and miss the point of everything.

Idiots think analysis is magic. Michael Bay ruined those individuals' childhoods.

[–] TakeTheTicket 13 years ago

Right.. he was forming a careful criteria to define "true" AD fans. Perhaps I didn't take it THAT seriously. Ever heard of hyperbole?

"I'm not a big fan of "Running Wilde"."
"I'm sure there are those out there that would not consider you a true Arrested Development fan because of that."
"I'm also not saying anything at all about what he should like or should not like, where the hell did you get that from? "

Where the hell did I get the idea that you think he should like Running Wilde in order to be able to be considered a "true" AD fan? If you didn't believe this rhetoric yourself you wouldn't have repeated it. Especially since your post basically consisted of you calling the OP a "hipster" and then saying the middle quote above. I'm aware that there are people who have crazy conspiracy theories about Obama, but I don't go around voicing their opinions when I disagree with them.. that wouldn't make sense.

I wouldn't say this to someone that I like and expect their feelings to not get hurt: "I'm sure there are people out there that think you're uglier than a fu*king troll" and then claim "I'm not saying that you are ugly, I'm saying there are probably people who believe that."

"I'm sure that he doesn't watch the show in order to impress other people."

I'm sorry you didn't catch on to his discussion of the "am I doing it right" crowd: People who are only "fans" of something because they feel socially compelled for one reason or another to like the show, even if they really don't understand the show. There were kids who would watch Family Guy when it first came out just cus all their friends watched it and would be talking about it at school, even though they didn't get half the jokes. They didn't want to feel left out or look like someone who doesn't know how to recognize a good thing. That same crowd will mindlessly watch anything made by the creator of Family Guy, because they don't know how to identify for themselves if the show is any good. In the same way, the OP was suggesting that people should make sure they actually like the show instead of suggesting "BUT ITS THE NEXT ARRESTED DEVELOPMENT HOW CAN YOU NOT LIKE IT"

So why should he care what other people think he should watch? Saying that you have to like all shows made by the creator of AD in order to be an AD fan is not the same as saying that you might have to watch the show multiple times in order to catch all the jokes. All that aside, it was hyperbole... the number 3 wasn't a concrete piece of criteria for describing an AD fan.

I've watched all of the AD episodes once, and I was about 5-6 years late. The show is fantastic, but I don't go around telling people that I'm a "real fan" of any TV show. I don't get obsessed with TV shows in such a pathetic way, therefore my response to your post was emotional only because I couldn't stand to see such arrogance.

In a nutshell: You were implying that the OP is not a fan of AD unless he's also a fan of "Running Wilde".. this after the OP pointed out how plenty of people continued to watch the show just because others said they should. The OP was pointing out that these mindless half-wits are not fans, they are followers.

What's a lollipop man doing knowing fu*king karate?

[–] TheAdvocator 13 years ago

"Right.. he was forming a careful criteria to define "true" AD fans. Perhaps I didn't take it THAT seriously. Ever heard of hyperbole?"

Yeah, I have. If it's hyperbole, then maybe you shouldn't say I'm falling into the same category of people he was describing. Ability to understand context, and not being a hypocrite. Put those on your Christmas lists.

"Where the hell did I get the idea that you think he should like Running Wilde in order to be able to be considered a "true" AD fan? If you didn't believe this rhetoric yourself you wouldn't have repeated it. Especially since your post basically consisted of you calling the OP a "hipster" and then saying the middle quote above. I'm aware that there are people who have crazy conspiracy theories about Obama, but I don't go around voicing their opinions when I disagree with them.. that wouldn't make sense."

You really spazzed out there so I'm having difficulty following. You got the idea because you got upset about it, I don't know why. But me suggesting people in this world could judge him the way he is judging other people (hyperbole or not) does not mean I'm judging him by the same sword. The middle quote wasn't not me saying I'm saying he's not a real AD fan, spazz. You took it to heart, don't do that.

"I wouldn't say this to someone that I like and expect their feelings to not get hurt: "I'm sure there are people out there that think you're uglier than a fu*king troll" and then claim "I'm not saying that you are ugly, I'm saying there are probably people who believe that.""

Your logic is flawed. But you go ahead and be overly upset AND illogical about this matter if you want. I don't really care.

"I've watched all of the AD episodes once, and I was about 5-6 years late. The show is fantastic, but I don't go around telling people that I'm a "real fan" of any TV show. I don't get obsessed with TV shows in such a pathetic way, therefore my response to your post was emotional only because I couldn't stand to see such arrogance."

You got emotional because you mistakenly took me for being arrogant.

"In a nutshell: You were implying that the OP is not a fan of AD unless he's also a fan of "Running Wilde""

I'll say this again, one final time, idiot; I'm not implying the OP isn't a true fan of Arrested Development.

"The OP was pointing out that these mindless half-wits are not fans, they are followers."

So I guess all that nerd-raged elitism wasn't completely hyperbole after all.

Idiots think analysis is magic. Michael Bay ruined those individuals' childhoods.

[–] TakeTheTicket 13 years ago

You said what you said, I guess you live in a universe where things can't be stated implicitly. Saying "I'm sure there are people out there that think..." is suggesting an idea... plain and fu*cking simple. Are you really suggesting that you can say whatever you like and just be able to go back and say "but i didn't mean it like that"? I can't believe you even bothered to reply.. did you seriously not get that the whole reason the OP bothered to describe, with hyperbole, what constitutes a "real fan" of AD was to jokingly suggest that you probably need to watch each episode a few times to catch all the jokes, probably in hopes of legitimizing some follower's claim of being a "fan". THAT was the hyperbole. He was hoping that the AD movie wouldn't be geared towards the followers. Why would describing what a follower is, while making a reference to Family Guy as an example, be hyperbole?

Also this:

"You really spazzed out there so I'm having difficulty following. You got the idea because you got upset about it, I don't know why. But me suggesting people in this world could judge him the way he is judging other people (hyperbole or not) does not mean I'm judging him by the same sword. The middle quote wasn't not me saying I'm saying he's not a real AD fan, spazz. You took it to heart, don't do that. "

..doesn't make any sense. Who the fu*k is judging anyone? If someone thinks that being pointed out as a follower instead of an actual fan is "being judged"... its not... its a fact. If you only watch the show because your friends watch it or because they tell you that you should watch it... then you are a follower.

You fell into the category of people that think if you like arrested development, then you must like... you know what... really? You cared enough to reply, just fu*king go back and re-read.... it's all there.... seriously... what the fu*k?

What's a lollipop man doing knowing fu*king karate?

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[–] ollieballs 13 years ago

RW was a victim of it's own wit. The kind of subtle wit that is going to be lost every time on the type of people that can't even distinguish the difference between GOB and Steve Wilde.

FOX miscalculated when they thought this show would attract AD's audience. Most of AD's "fans" don't even understand *that* show. How are they supposed to like or understand a show that cool people aren't quoting? This show wasn't e-zay enough for the how-de-do-dats that only started liking AD when it started getting quoted.

This series was every bit as sharp, dense, and brilliant as Arrested was.

Running Wilde will have attained the same cult cache as AD by the end of this year, and you're all going to be pretending that you liked the show all along.

And THAT'S funny.

[–] ollieballs 12 years ago

Well, I'm back, and it's been a year and it looks like this show never caught on.

Damn shame. I just went back and re-watched the series. The use of double entendre, and figures of speech in general is flat awe inspiring.

Just wanted to give a couple big fat lolz to the two peeps below that decided to respond.

Lol # 1 goes to the first guy trying to argue the AD wasn't subtle when I never took that position. I clearly state that AD's fans didn't like Running Wilde specifically because it was too subtle.

Lol #2 goes to contestant number two that claimed that AD didn't require multiple viewings and it had no "deeper meaning". It's well agreed upon that AD is more rewarding with multiple viewings, in fact AD probably rewards more with multiple viewings than any other show in the history of sitcoms. As far as "deeper meanings" go, the show didn't have some complex philosophical system woven into it's fabric, but it certainly had depth far beyond a widowed father trying to run the family business while his wacky family hindered his best efforts. I actually feel glad that you thought RW was nothing special. I want to be different from you.

[–] agenericperson 13 years ago

to be fair, the show itself is formated in a similar manner. quick cuts, interweaving storylines, naration, etc. it has a few of the actors from AD too. it even has several jokes that are references to AD.

the show is still quite a bit different. the themes are different. the characters are different. the humor is different. the delivery is different. i did like Running Wilde. i also like Archer. neither is really a successor to AD. that said i think you have deluded yourself into thinking AD is something its not. im a huge fan of AD but a lot of the humor is far from subtle.

[–] polysicsarebest 12 years ago

While AD is pretty brilliant, it really isn't that deep that you have to watch it 3 times, or whatever. Actually, the show is surprisingly accessible when you consider it consistently breaks conventions of sitcoms and whatever. It's a really really easy show to follow, and while the humor isn't always obvious, fans who pretend the show has a deeper meaning and only highly-intelligent people "get" the show, are kinda frightening.

Either way, this show wasn't anything special, and SIT DOWN SHUT UP was absolute garbage.

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Shuji Terayama forever.

[–] wrwt2 12 years ago

i Did notice that sans the movie work that some of the main cast got on AD( Michael Cera, Bateman, Ali Shakwat) the original cast just moved on to similar types of shows like AD, but no where near as good(in some cases they just felt like knock offs) Porti with better off Ted, Arnett with Running Wilde, Cross with Todd Margaret, and Jessica walters with archer(different type of show, but still not even close to AD).

[–] Benthuusi 11 years ago

For me personally AD is the only truly funny American comedy I can remember since Seinfeld, and it`s because the writing is funny, the cast is funny and there`s no insulting canned laughter behind crap writing like in virtually every other American "comedy" show.
Running Wilde has some decent writing and no canned laughter, but what`s with the casting? Emmy is not funny. She`s so obnoxiously boring I keep turning away from the screen so I won`t have to look at all the smugness. Neither is Puddle funny in any way. Why do Americans need unfunny people in comedies? I`ve never been able to figure it out.
Arnett is good of course, and so is David Cross. But then he gets dropped from the script for whole episodes at the time, during which we`re forced to watch boring people pretending to be funny.

It`s not a bad show but it`s certainly nowhere near AD.

[–] painterjane25 11 years ago

I loved this show. I thought it was perfect.