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medically - completely unrealistic


i mean if someone had head trauma and neatly lost the last 6 years only from their memory...well that alone would never happen. cause memories arent compartmentalized chronologically...they are all interwoven and connected and so on...the brain isnt like a computer disc.

but say it was possible...you wouldnt be 100% fine otherwise after that kinda trauma....youd have like a plate in your head.
and the memory loss would be more spotty and patchy...not neatly defined by a period of time.

and i get it was probably the time that she "changed"
so to me that s more of a psychological amnesia, than a traumatic once caused by mechanical means.

makes for good (good read chick flick date film) movie tho.

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This movie is based on a true story, so it did happen.

The real life woman still have not regain her memory.

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Inspired by. Not based on. Very different.
And the real life events are much different than the ones in the movie. Not even close.

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The actual head trauma part is the same, though. The actual woman lost the previous 18 months of her memory, and as far as I know, that was the only thing she didn't fully recover from.

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nor did rachel's character...

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Yes, it was inspired by, rather than based on a true story.

Yes, the events in real life are much different than what takes place in the movie.

But the issue of losing all memory of her husband and their life together is as true in the film as it was in real life. She did watch her own wedding video and not remember it. She and her then husband had been together 18 months, and been married for a month and when she awoke from her extended coma, she didn't remember any of it.

So the memory loss did happen, pretty much as described in the film.

But don't take my word for it. Read.

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Not saying it didn't happen in real life. I'm saying it's more psychological than a result of physical trauma.
One can't injure the part of the brain that only stores events in chrinolocal order. Say she knocked out her July 13th, 2008 thru September 4th 2009 cells or compartment.
That doesn't happen by mechanical means alone.
Either it's psychological. And in this movie I can see that happening. Her whole life changed about the time of her memory loss. So that is believable. Psychologically. Not from the trauma.
Or she made it all up in real life to write book and make a movie and make money.
That's where I put my money.

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Your argument makes no sense, marty. She had an accident. Her brain was injured. She lost her memory. She didn't wake up and say "Oh, I don't think I want to remember July 2008-September 2009...I think I'll just shove that out of my mind and start over." She lost her memory because of the accident. So your argument that her memory loss is more psychological is invalid. Even today's greatest doctors and neurologists still don't fully understand the brain...how could you possibly? You're trying to pass off your own opinion as fact, which is completely false and unfair.

P.S. who on earth would make up such a thing? The accident happened waaaay before the book and movie came out (If I remember correctly it happened around '98). Yes, I'm sure the first thing on her mind when she woke up was to pretend like she didn't remember her own husband so she could make a book and get money out of it. Why put someone through that sort of emotional turmoil just to be selfish? Especially someone that obviously loved and cared about you?

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No your argument doesn't make sense.
We don't know everyhing but we do no such an injury is not possible. To lose your memory for only a select period of time..
I told u why she made it up. To write a book.
People use life circumstances all the time to make money off of it.
Can't blame em. No harm done.
People eat it up.
Especially sparks audience.

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the brain is a really strange organ and one that is not really understood.

The thing is that physical trauma can affect memory. What the character and the person she was based on had was retrograde amnesia. This is where you lose memories prior to the event. While things aren't (as far as we know) stored in the brain in a chronological order much like a a chart, the brain obviously has memories stored in a certain way - how or why, we don't know.

Retrograde amnesia is where you lose memories you once had. You lose memories of things that happened PRIOR to the accident or event that cause trauma to your brain.

Usually this is only a few minutes or even seconds - as in you can't remember the impact and the accident or what happened just before your got your brain injury. But it can also extend to a number of hours beforehand.

Much less common, but still recorded, is people having lost memory of months and even years beforehand. Usually the long term memories return, but not always. Also, the bigger the degree of retrograde amnesia, the bigger the head injury.

So it is possible.

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Yeah, I'm with Marty here. I'm taking psych 101 and we're learning the very basics of memory, but it's pretty clear that memories aren't stored in neat chronological chunks that you can just delete. If it really did happen to this woman in real life, then yeah, it's probably more psychological. (Hell, didn't the doctor even say that in the movie? That she wouldn't remember unless she stopped being afraid of remembering?)

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What does it matter anyway? That little bit of reality suspension is the least of this movie's problems.

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I'll show you an example http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZazU9OjrCA

Watch that video, John Terry who was injured during that match didn't even remember about the match after her recovered all he remembered was of him taking breakfast in the morning before the match.

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"Watch that video, John Terry who was injured during that match didn't even remember about the match after her recovered all he remembered was of him taking breakfast in the morning before the match."

This may be the most poorly-worded, confusing sentence I've ever read.

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If you're taking Psych101 then you would know about temporally graded retrograde amnesia which posits that recent memories are more susceptible to damage than distant memories. The reason (or one of the theories) is that more recent memories have not yet undergone the consolidation process. A lot of amnesics only remember their childhood and early adulthood memories because the distant memories are more resistant to damage.

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if someone had head trauma and neatly lost the last 6 years only from their memory...well that alone would never happen. cause memories arent compartmentalized chronologically
Please tell that to the guy I know in his late fifties who had his brain banged up so bad that he can't use one arm and can barely walk and has no recollection of graduating from high school nor any recollection of going to college, which is when the injury took place. He has no recollection of any of his friends from college, just from high school, from some point well before he graduated. He happens to believe to this day that the reason he has no recollection of going to college is that he was never allowed to graduate, (because he can't remember that, either).

Although what you say appears to be true, that memory engrams are not arranged chronologically, they are arranged in many other ways, many of which are still nowhere near as well understood.

The reason that this flick can get away with appearing to have such a neat chronologically arranged amnesia, is that it doesn't have anything to appear to do as much with the timing of anything, as with the fact that it was all her memories of having begun to doubt her role in life, her role in her family, her own self worth, her own happiness, etc. Which is by no means an impossibility. And because it had been so shortly after beginning to deal with those particular kinds of doubts, that she wound up deciding to completely leave everybody she knew behind, in order to attempt to recreate her own life. Making it even that much less improbable.

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That wa my point exactly. She suffered memory loss that went back to the exact moment she changed her life. So that's why I said it had to have a psychological component involved as well. Most likely the elderly gent above who lost his had something similar.

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She suffered memory loss that went back to the exact moment she changed her life.

Uh, no. She thought she was still engaged to Jeremy, in law school and having a perfect relationship with her family. So her memory went back to before she changed her life. Not the "exact moment" of doing so..

We know the break with her family was the result of her father's infidelity, but we don't know if that it is what prompted her breakup with Jeremy, decision to leave law school and/or move into the city. Nor do we know if they all happened at the exact same time. It was never depicted but she could have remained engaged to Jeremy for months or years after breaking with her family. The same with staying in law school.

If you can't walk and talk/text at the same time, do the rest of us a favor and get out of the way.

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I think she needed to see a psychiatrist. I mean even the doctor said it might be psychological, that she doesn't want to remember. Her brain went through a trauma and maybe it took her back to a time where she felt safe and happy with her parents before she found out about her father’s affair. Obviously what her father did upset her greatly, so much so that she changed hr life dramatically. The unconscious mind is extremely powerful and her memory loss could have been something psychologically. I am taking Psych 101 now too. The brain is still mysterious and doctors still don't know why amnesia happens. My friend had memory loss and saw a psychiatrist, after a few months she got most of her memory back. After she found out her brain was physically fine, her doctor told her to see a psychiatrist because it could be psychological.

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I read the first reply, and I just had to come in and help you out: Yes, there is a similar tale in reality, but this movie is still entirely unrealistic.


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