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Inspired by a true story????


What part of this is "true story?" The only possible battle that took place where a Japanese soldier could have been captured by Soviets was Battle of Kalhkhin Gol. As captured soldier of the Red Army, they would not have allowed them to fight for them so there goes that. Escaping to Germany may have gotten them a little security, but only Germans were in the Nazi army. I could be wrong here but the only "true," part may be the fact that they were rivals. Any info on thie would be nice.

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I remember reading in I think it was Stephen Ambrose's book "D-Day" something about this. He mentioned something about when they had taken the beach heads and captured the Germans there were some Koreans mixed in there that had been captured by the Soviets after fighting with the Japanese, then captured by the Germans and sent to the Western Front. It's been years since I read the book but I'm pretty sure it was that one.

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Come on people, haven't you ever seen them use that sort of line before?
They only need one fact to be somewhat true.... Actually they don't even need that.
It's a con to make people think they're watching a true story.

Example:
I heard there was a war in the late 30s and early 40s, so I decided to make a movie 'based on a true story'. Do any of you deny this was 'inspired' by a real war.

It was a good story that was actually probably based on some possible truths.
I think the most unbelievable part was the Korean staying loyal to the Jap through all that.

Even if it's a documentary, they'll put a false 'spin' on it.
If you start believing in 'true' movies, next you'll start believing the evening news to be unbiased truth!

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All sides allowed captured troops to fight for them. Though few british or american troops that were captured fought for the Nazis, many others did in droves. The German army itself had a ton of greeks, french, danes, belgians, dutch, norwegian, austrian, russians, bulgarian, etc. Even Spanish troops fought with them.

So its totally possible

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Korean captured in German service during D-Day:
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You better educate yourself. There were foreigners in the German army and many of them.

Anyway it was a good movie although I doubt what was represented was quite real. Too many chances must have happened for the whole story to be true.

Perhaps if they've kept the melodrama and the violence a little bit shorter it would have been the most epic WWII movie.

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The question is "where captured Soviet troops a Korean?"
1937 Chalkin Gol?
In 1944 the Soviets and Japan were not at war, the Soviet Union declared war to Japan at 8th August 1945 but by then the War in Europe was already finished.

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What!? Chalkin Gol 1937? Chalkin Gol 1939.
And yes, it is possible.

Read:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kwantung_Army

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The thing that makes me think about how "true" the story is,
is not that they ended in Normandy, that happened to some Soldiers.

There are some pictures that show these asian captured soldiers.


The thing is, that although the director of the picture says that he accepted the script but only started working on it after seeing a korean documentary about it.

But still I can´t find anything about this.


And of course at the 1948 olympic marathon no asian was on the podium.



So please, if its a real story, whats the name of those 2 guys, then we should be able to find more information about them.

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From an interview with the director:
"The original story and the documentary were both actually about a single Korean man being a soldier through the three different armies, but I really wanted to include the Japanese side of it as well because it was Koreans standing side-by-side with the Japanese in the Japanese Army, but also to have a Korean soldier and a Japanese soldier and go through this journey together."

So at least the story with the 3 wars is true.

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The guy's name is Kyoungjong Yang. He is the young man in that famous photo. When movies use "based on a true story" they are really saying "We used the true story as an outline and made stuff up to make the story cooler."

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A few years back I watched a documentary on the History Channel about this very same thing. Being Korean-American it sparked my interest immediately. Thousands of Koreans were conscripted as cannon fodder for the Japanese, who used them against the Soviets and other places they occupied in the pacific. The soviets captured many Koreans, that didn't get killed and used them as Cannon Fodder against the Germans, who in turn killed many and captured some, then used them once again as Cannon Fodder against the Allies. In the end at the Battle of Normandy only 3 Koreans survived to be captured by the Allies. This movie's main character is an amalgam of the 3 survivors, but just imagine what the *beep* those 3 experienced. If war is hell then those poor bastards experienced it times 3.

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It isn't as black and white for the era, which explains the non-Japanese part of anti-Korean sentiment.

By the late 19th century, and I'm disclosing this as general information, as I'm sure you're mostly aware, nationalism was on a global rise, dependent on how developed said nation was, by the then-standards, how many colonies they had.

To escape the land and food shortages, the still feudal Joseon and Qing Dynasties had seen their population scattering out towards new lands. In the case of Korea, with the turn of the century and ever growing Japanese influence, they migrated to China, Russia, Japan, other Asian colonies and North America. By the time Manjukuo was established, Koreans lived as far Sakhalin, and still had their culture, but no national identity, as it was part of the empire. While South Korean directors and screenwriters like to make it seem as there was one unifying cause (independence), nothing could be further from the truth. New political ideologies, like fascism, anarchism, and communism have rivaled that of nationalistic independence, so movements had infighting as well. Bear in mind, France was no different in that aspect.

The important thing is, that Koreans had one cultural identity, but different loyalties. Under Stalin's orders, the NKVD had gotten rid of Koreans and Chinese in the Russian Far East by hauling them to Central Asia and Western Russia. The Japanese were aware of that purge, which is why once the Far Eastern branch chief defected to them, they "warned" non-Japanese residents of the empire, that fleeing north would mean abduction or worse, for the local Koreans and the ones coming from Korea it was out of the frying pan and into the fire. Civilian Korean Soviet citizens did not have it any better, as they were conscripted into the Red Army. I've once met a Central Asian soldier of the Red Army (we were occupied by them) and for a long time I thought they have the same features as people from the Far East, until I learned they were from there. Actually, Korean linguists have a constant connection to Central Asian countries, as the Koreans living there speak an archaic dialect, that characters from sseguk doramas should speak.

Anyway, the SS really did have conscripts and also volunteers. Some of these forcibly hauled citizens joined for the aforementioned reason of escaping hell of German POW camps for Red Army soldiers, but also because they knew, they can never get back home were they were born. Only a select few with a traumatic past of a country can understand having one language and culture, and still not understand or help each other. Victims of the Pacific war have grounds to hate Koreans, as some of them came with the Japanese, and were exploiters themselves, or even executioners. Both the pacifist and the militarist leaders of Korea had Japanese education, as it was customary for the time.

By far the worst off were people, who fell into captivity after the Manchurian offensive. The Japanese Empire rescinded their citizenship, the Soviet Union denied to give them one, if they were lucky not being forcibly transported to Central Asia or the new North Korea.

I'm not surprised he died in America. Many expats hailed from what is known today as North Korea, it's obvious why they can't go there, and for decades, South Korea was pretty poor as well. It would grant another movie about Japanese American soldiers in the Korean War. It's criminally lacking in discussion, how the French and British Asian colonies were guarded by the Japanese after the Allies arrived until they could send reinforcements.

Though some claim the film is full of cliches and glaring errors, it's also true, it's one of the few, were not all Japanese are bad guys, people can change by seeing their own former blindness, and that some victims turn into animals.

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I agree with the fact that the movie is too melodramatic. The war scenes are great, but the parts where their captors seem to tolerate every of their outbursts isn't credible. At any of those acts of rebellion or disrespect, any of the 3 armies would have shot them on the spot, especially the Japanese and Russian armies. Still, I enjoyed it, it's a good and refreshing movie. Too bad the rivalry is there, it's really a cliché in Asian cinema.

Some parts are historically accurate, some aren't. Yes armies in dark times used whatever POWs they could use in their front lines. But there are ridiculous errors as well : first, there's no way russians would have mobilized such a heavy force on the Mongolian border. Their tanks were old and rusty at the time (1939), it wasn't until 1942 that they had their weapon industry well established with the deadly T-34. Second, I don't understand how they could have cross such huge mountains after escaping the Russian front : the Germano-Russian front never reached such mountains, unless they were on the Southern front in the Caucasus which I doubt. And last but not least, D-Day. Several errors there : the heavy bombing of the shore German defense lasted hours and even days before the infantry charged on the beaches, and there's no way paratroopers were dropped so close to the shore, while their own artillery was firing... Most of them were dropped during the night behind German lines as you can see in Band of Brothers.

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The Soviets certainly did have tanks during the "border war" with Japan. Here's a picture of one crossing the Khalkhin. Bunched up that tightly with no infantry support, that I'm guess is the S Korean version of "hollywood".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Soviet_tanks_cross_Khalkhin_Gol_river_1939.jpg

And, no they weren't T-34's, they were light tanks. The Soviet tanks in the film are certainly not supposed to be T-34's.

The movie say "Zhedovsk, December, 1941". The nearest I can find out that's a mis-translation of Dedovsk, just west of Moscow. No mountains anywhere remotely close to there. So the movie get that wrong.

The bombing before D-day of Normandy was done the night before. Bombing the area for days on end would be a giveaway that we planned to invade there. Most of the bombs fell to far inland and did little damage to the defenders. The paratroopers were a glaring, silly error.

But, all in all I was pretty impressed with the movie.

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Only the bombs at Omaha beach where the American landed fell too far. The other bombings worked perfectly for the other beaches.

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I agree with the fact that the movie is too melodramatic. The war scenes are great, but the parts where their captors seem to tolerate every of their outbursts isn't credible. At any of those acts of rebellion or disrespect, any of the 3 armies would have shot them on the spot, especially the Japanese and Russian armies. Still, I enjoyed it, it's a good and refreshing movie. Too bad the rivalry is there, it's really a cliché in Asian cinema.

Some parts are historically accurate, some aren't. Yes armies in dark times used whatever POWs they could use in their front lines. But there are ridiculous errors as well : first, there's no way russians would have mobilized such a heavy force on the Mongolian border. Their tanks were old and rusty at the time (1939), it wasn't until 1942 that they had their weapon industry well established with the deadly T-34. Second, I don't understand how they could have cross such huge mountains after escaping the Russian front : the Germano-Russian front never reached such mountains, unless they were on the Southern front in the Caucasus which I doubt. And last but not least, D-Day. Several errors there : the heavy bombing of the shore German defense lasted hours and even days before the infantry charged on the beaches, and there's no way paratroopers were dropped so close to the shore, while their own artillery was firing... Most of them were dropped during the night behind German lines as you can see in Band of Brothers.


Too melodramatic? Nah. This is one of my favorite war movies. The melodramatic stuff is part of the charm.

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The war scenes are great,


They weren't. At all.

first, there's no way russians would have mobilized such a heavy force on the Mongolian border.


The 'Russians' (Soviets) had more tanks THAN THE REST OF THE WORLD COMBINED.

Their tanks were old and rusty at the time (1939),


These were T-26s. They were actually pretty good. It was actually a Soviet version of the British 6-ton Vickers tank, upgraded in some aspects (the gun!), downgraded in some others. In Spain, they totally mopped the floor with German Panzer I tanks (that didn't even have cannons, only dual light machineguns, while Soviet tanks ALL had 45 mm anti-tank guns, which were better than anything dedicated anti-tank Germans had even in 1941).

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Nope, the German army became as polyglot as the legions of Rome by 1944. 1000s of Russian POWS, called hilfswilings or something, served in the German Army because POW camps for Red Army soldiers were one step above Jewish death camps, most Soviet POWs died in German captivity. That was a little known crime against humanity shared not only by the Nazis but the regular German army. Even the "racially pure" SS had foreign legions of Bosnian Muslims, Belgians, Finns, French etc.

Even crueler for the Russian POW was that the Soviets threw them into camps or shot them as traitors to the motherland after they were "liberated" from the Nazis.

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