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Casual murder and the audience's complicity !!


At the start of the movie, Jack McClane assassinate a man in a nightclub, who is that man and why are we [the audience] supposed to be so cool with him just casually murdering a man like that?

Then, in the safe house scene, John McClane - without batting an eye - starts firing and killing people left, right and center. Again, are we [the audience] supposed to be so cool with him just casually murdering people like that?

Not to mention, the vehicular carnage that John McClane engages in against Russian civilians in the car chase; again, why is it so cool for John McClane to be so casual about it?!
John McClane: [woman screams] Sorry, ma'am!
[a blaring car horn]
John McClane: Sorry!

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Making the story about a Russian political prisoner bored me to death. The club shooting was odd, because he just happened to end up on trial RIGHT NEXT TO the person he's supposed to rescue.

Car chase would've been alright had it not implied a bunch of civilians got killed for no reason. Weird movie, didn't feel like Die Hard at all.

 me.

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Agreed. It felt like "but it's okay, he's the good guy" so it his actions were vindicated? It didn't feel like the classic Die Hard formula, more like a Jason Borne (but reckless and disregard for human life ).

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The scene were he drives over the cars of Russian civilians was so not cool, how is that acceptable. Couldn't watch the movie after that.

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The scene were he drives over the cars of Russian civilians was so not cool, how is that acceptable.
One of a number of bizarre scenes in this strange movie. I think we were supposed to think it was all very comical, because he said "sorry"!🐭

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Depending on which version of the movie you saw, Jack didn't kill Anton (the owner of the club). There's a deleted scene that takes place right after John and Jack find the car full of guns where John goes over to a Cadillac in the parking lot and checks it out. Anton comes out of the club with two thugs and his arm in a sling. John asks Jack if he knows him and he says something like, "I shot this guy once." John and Jack end up in a brawl with the two guys and Anton runs off. The scene ends with the two driving the car away towards Chernobyl just like in the final cut.

The extended cut, however, was a direct headshot. Anton is definitively dead in that version. Why would the audience be okay with it? Because it can be assumed that he's a bad guy. Jack is a protagonist. The audience will likely assume that Anton is not just some random guy in a club who Jack decides to casually murder. We can surmise he is killed for a good reason or is someone deserving of it.

And the guys at the safe house that John shoots weren't exactly coming over to ask for a cup of sugar. Jack's partner just got it in the head, Yuri caught one in the arm, and you can hear them using charges to breach the walls. Why wouldn't John shoot them? It wasn't murder. It was self-defense.

Yes, I can understand the criticisms about the car chase. Again, this is a movie we're talking about here. John is a protagonist. It can be assumed, going by movie logic, that John and Jack killed absolutely no one in the car chase. Why? Because they're the good guys. The same way no civilians were seriously injured by John dropping the C4 down the elevator shaft in Die Hard 1 and blew out several floors of windows, or how no one was seriously hurt when he drove a cab through Central Park and into traffic, or how no civilians were killed when John tossed the bomb out of the back of the subway car and derailed the train, or how all the cars in the street were abandoned in Die Hard 4 when he took on that fighter jet in the truck.

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